• California bans plastic bags; increases spread of disease

    From digimaus@618:618/1 to All on Mon Sep 23 20:54:40 2024
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    From: https://tinyurl.com/2w4ydmhk (libertyunyielding.com)

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    California bans plastic bags in supermarkets, which could increase the spread of
    disease

    By Hans Bader
    September 22, 2024

    A law signed today by California Governor Gavin Newsom bans all plastic
    shopping bags. California had already banned thin plastic shopping bags
    at supermarkets and other stores, but shoppers could still buy bags made
    with a thicker plastic that supposedly made them reusable and recyclable.
    The legislation, approved by state legislators last month, bans all
    plastic shopping bags in California starting in 2026. The Washington
    Times reports that "12 states already have some type of statewide plastic
    bag ban in place...Hundreds of cities across 28 states also have their
    own plastic bag bans in place."

    Advocates of plastic bag bans would like people to use cloth bags instead
    of plastic bags, even though cloth bags are more likely to spread disease.
    During the Covid-19 pandemic, some cities and states banned cloth bags and
    other reusable shopping bags, to curb the spread of the disease,
    "requiring that stores use disposable plastic or paper bags instead."

    Reusable bags "are a breeding ground for bacteria and pose public health
    risks - food poisoning, skin infections such as bacterial boils, allergic
    reactions, triggering of asthma attacks, and ear infections," noted a 2009
    report. Harmful bacteria like E. coli, salmonella, and fecal coliform
    thrive in reusable bags unless they are washed after each use, according
    to an August 2011 peer-reviewed study, "Assessment of the Potential for
    Cross-contamination of Food Products by Reusable Shopping Bags."

    Cloth bags are worse for public health and the environment. As Daniel
    Frank sarcastically notes, "Reusable tote bags" can "cause food poisoning
    but at least they're worse for the environment than plastic bags." He
    cites Jon Passantino of BuzzFeed News, who observes, "Those cotton tote
    bags that are so trendy right now have to be used *131 times* before it
    has a smaller climate impact than a plastic bag used only once." Yet,
    there are progressives who want to ban plastic grocery bags in favor of
    reusable cloth bags.

    California's ban on plastic bags will do little for the ocean. Plastic
    bags are less than 1% of all litter. Most plastic in the ocean comes from
    China, India, and Indonesia, while only a tiny percentage comes from the
    U.S.

    The lack of benefit from cloth bags is illustrated by a 2011 legal
    settlement between plastic bag makers and an importer of reusable bags,
    ChicoBag. The plastic bag makers sued ChicoBag for its use of false claims
    about the recycling rate and environmental impacts of plastic grocery bags
    in its promotional materials. (Those false claims are also the basis for
    municipal bans and taxes on plastic bags.) Under that settlement, ChicoBag
    was required to discontinue its use of its counterfeit EPA website and
    make corrections to its deceptive marketing claims, which had included
    sharing falsified government documents with schoolchildren. It was also
    required to disclose to consumers on its website that reusable bags in
    fact need to be washed.
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to DIGIMAUS on Tue Sep 24 09:53:00 2024
    Reusable bags "are a breeding ground for bacteria and pose public health
    risks - food poisoning, skin infections such as bacterial boils, allergic
    reactions, triggering of asthma attacks, and ear infections," noted a 2009
    report. Harmful bacteria like E. coli, salmonella, and fecal coliform
    thrive in reusable bags unless they are washed after each use, according
    to an August 2011 peer-reviewed study, "Assessment of the Potential for
    Cross-contamination of Food Products by Reusable Shopping Bags."

    There are some things... dry goods like a box of cereal... I would not mind using cloth bags to carry. There are others... things that sweat or have juices that can leak... that I would never want to put in a cloth bag, even
    if I wash the bags weekly.

    I think this explains a good reason why I should not be alone in this
    thinking.

    Mike


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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 11 22:45:23 2024
    I think this explains a good reason why I should not be alone in this thinking.

    I agree.

    -- Sean



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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Mike Powell on Sat Oct 12 08:46:00 2024
    Hello Mike Powell!

    There are some things... dry goods like a box of cereal...
    I would not mind using cloth bags to carry. There are
    others... things that sweat or have juices that can
    leak... that I would never want to put in a cloth bag,
    even if I wash the bags weekly.

    As a retailer, I am finding that more and more people are
    getting accustomed to bringing their own bags, whether it is
    the tougher shopping bag plastic of days gone yore or the
    reusable fabric/poly ones.

    Nothing stopping you from using a plastic bag as a liner in a
    cloth bag if you want to.


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  • From Shawn Highfield@618:618/12 to August Abolins on Sat Oct 12 09:42:51 2024

    Hello August!

    12 Oct 24 08:46, you wrote to Mike Powell:

    As a retailer, I am finding that more and more people are
    getting accustomed to bringing their own bags, whether it is
    the tougher shopping bag plastic of days gone yore or the
    reusable fabric/poly ones.

    It's because we are brainwashed now. :) We know we can't get
    any bags anywhere we go... Even the farmer's market is no longer
    giving bags.

    The cloth ones need to be thrown out after a few uses... it's really
    no better as we have more bags then we ever have before, can't use
    them for a secondary use like garbage bags, so what do we do? Pay
    for single use garbage bags, where I used to get 2 uses from plastic
    bags, one to bring food home, and the second as grabage bag.

    All a big scam by the tree hugger's who don't see the real picture.

    Shawn

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to SHAWN HIGHFIELD on Sat Oct 12 09:35:00 2024
    The cloth ones need to be thrown out after a few uses... it's really
    no better as we have more bags then we ever have before, can't use
    them for a secondary use like garbage bags, so what do we do? Pay
    for single use garbage bags, where I used to get 2 uses from plastic
    bags, one to bring food home, and the second as grabage bag.

    Yeah, I wondered why people called the store plastic bags single use? Some
    do get holes in them and cannot be used again, but the others go in my small garbage cans.

    The ones that do get holes, or that are excess, go back to the store in their plastic bag recycle bins. I am not certain what they actually do with them after that, though.

    Mike

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  • From digimaus@618:618/1 to August Abolins on Sat Oct 12 13:26:30 2024
    Nothing stopping you from using a plastic bag as a liner in a
    cloth bag if you want to.

    You know that's not realistic for people to do (just use the plastic ban itself) and you sell books, not raw meat, so I doubt you'd have to deal with
    a listeria outrbreak. <G> I have a LOT of plastic ALDI shoppong bags but I spray them down with food-safe sanitizer after use due to my being badly immunocompromised. Usually, I will double bag any raw meat I buy anyway;
    I've been doing that long before everyone caught the crazy.

    -- Sean



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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Oct 12 13:29:12 2024
    The cloth ones need to be thrown out after a few uses... it's really
    no better as we have more bags then we ever have before, can't use
    them for a secondary use like garbage bags, so what do we do? Pay
    for single use garbage bags, where I used to get 2 uses from plastic
    bags, one to bring food home, and the second as grabage bag.

    I use all plastic shopping bags anyway...in a new, prettier tree-hugger friendly form. After having lived in Oregon, I have had several lifetimes
    of experience with tree-huggers.

    All a big scam by the tree hugger's who don't see the real picture.

    They are very short-sighted.

    -- Sean



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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Mike Powell on Sat Oct 12 13:32:46 2024
    Yeah, I wondered why people called the store plastic bags single use?

    The ALDI bags (the ones you buy that are big and thick, not the cheap
    flimsy ones) arfe nice. I do clean them out after use with a food-safe sanitizer or Zep All-Purpose Cleaner (you have to wipe off both chemicals
    off of the surface as they're slightly corrosive) and they're good as new.

    The ALDI freezer bags get lightly scrubbed as milk and raw meat gets put in them but they're relatively thick.

    -- SDean



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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Oct 12 13:19:27 2024
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    By: Shawn Highfield to August Abolins on Sat Oct 12 2024 09:42 am

    It's because we are brainwashed now. :) We know we can't get
    any bags anywhere we go... Even the farmer's market is no longer
    giving bags.

    Actually, here in Spain they banned giving bags away for free, with used to be the norm. In the old days, when you purchased something, you could ask for a bag and they would give you one at no cost.

    The practice was banned and bags were forced to come with a price tag. That an an increase of price from bag manufacturers due to inflation made retailers start happily overcharging for bags. I used to keep giving the bags away for free because I think it is kind of stupid to ask for 10 extra cents after somebody places an order worth 80 bucks, but then I realized something:

    My customers are the people who voted this crap into a rule.

    That is right, the population placed this rule in place, so fuck them and let them pay the bags in full. Now people only gets a free bag from me if they place an outrageous order.

    I think less than half the customers come with their own bags.


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  • From Shawn Highfield@618:618/12 to Sean Dennis on Sat Oct 12 15:10:00 2024
    Hi Sean,
    On <Sun, 12 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    I use all plastic shopping bags anyway...in a new, prettier
    tree-hugger friendly form. After having lived in Oregon, I have had several lifetimes of experience with tree-huggers.

    I think Andrea has a couple of the plastic ones, but most of the bags
    are cloth here. Or some weird form of plastic. Heck order your walmart
    curb pickup. They put one item in each bag, could just use them as
    garbage bags. All a big waste of time.

    Shawn

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