• Re: pfSense

    From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 11:42:36 2024
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    Arelor wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    What are the economics of using blottled gas over there? If you only
    need heating in deep winter, then maybe it is better to use bottled gas for three months tops than to pay for a natural gas subscription for
    the whole year.

    Not allowed to use propane in the city limits. Outside of the city limits, it's commonly used.

    -- Sean

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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Jan 28 20:23:27 2024
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    $489 in California, on an EV time-of-day plan. 3 bedroom house, 2 gas heaters and 2 electric space heaters.

    I believe it. That's on the cheaper side, I bet.

    We did a remodel in our bedroom last year and ditched a huge gas
    heater. Most of the time that we're in there, we're in bed under
    covers, so don't need heat in that room very often.

    That makes sense. I turn off the heat in my apartment at night since I
    keep plenty warm under blankets.

    Our rates just went up 20%. Our utility company has a pretty good thing going.

    It wouldn't be PG&E, would it?

    Everyone knows it should be privatized but whoever attempts it will
    have so much campaign money funneled to their opponents that they'd
    never make it through the next election.

    Absolutely.

    Here, I deal with Brightridge (my local PUC/co-op) that buys from the
    TVA. I'm lucky. With my being in the hospital this month, my electric
    bill should be really, really low.

    I miss California (and the west coast as a whole) but I'll never live
    there again.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 20:38:35 2024
    To: Digimaus
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Digimaus to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 11:39 am

    people spend a good chunk of their government money on lottery tickets.

    I am the weird sociopathic guy, but not because I don't play the lottery (because I don't).

    I don't recall any workplace I've been at doing that. It might not be really common here, dunno.


    it's common. there's been lottery winnings that had to be split with coworkers.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Digimaus on Mon Jan 29 07:35:59 2024
    To: Digimaus
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Digimaus to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 11:42 am


    Not allowed to use propane in the city limits. Outside of the city limits, it's commonly used.


    so is that for everything, or just prefab homes? because propane is an excellent fuel.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Digimaus on Mon Jan 29 06:58:00 2024
    Digimaus wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-


    It wouldn't be PG&E, would it?

    Yes. The same company that went bankrupt in 2001, but not after
    funneling a $5 billion payment to PGE Corp before doing so. It's
    incredulous seeing what corporations will do when there's no
    consequence.





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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Jan 29 12:24:32 2024

    Yes. The same company that went bankrupt in 2001, but not after
    funneling a $5 billion payment to PGE Corp before doing so. It's incredulous seeing what corporations will do when there's no
    consequence.

    Ah yes, the same company who couldn't shut down a nuclear power plant right (the one in Rainer, Oregon). You can be sure the state had their palms
    greased in that deal.

    -- Sean


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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Digimaus on Fri Feb 2 16:48:03 2024
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Digimaus to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 11:42 am

    Not allowed to use propane in the city limits. Outside of the city limits, it's commonly used.

    That kind of sucks.

    Not many people uses bottled gas here, but at least if you are not well off you have the option to.

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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 5 13:29:40 2024
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    Jas Hud wrote to Digimaus <=-

    so you can't have any type of propane?

    You can have 5 gallon containers, yes, but my apartment complex forbids propane-powered anything due to insurance restrictions.

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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Feb 5 13:35:10 2024
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    Kurt Weiske wrote to Digimaus <=-

    Up in the Sierra Nevada mountains, we had our choice of going all
    electric or setting up one of those big propane tanks. We don't live
    there year-round, so we went all electric.

    That makes sense. You'd not want propane sitting for long periods of time unused.

    Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded or if the snow was
    too great for the connectors and pipes. Most likely, the latter.

    Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Digimaus on Mon Feb 5 16:01:56 2024
    To: Digimaus
    Re: pfSense
    By: Digimaus to Kurt Weiske on Mon Feb 05 2024 01:35 pm

    Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.


    nah it doesn't do that. and if it gets real cold it'll be liquid.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Digimaus on Tue Feb 6 06:21:00 2024
    Digimaus wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few
    inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.

    We've had a huge system settled in over California, we had rain nonstop
    for around 48 hours on the coast, and reports of 2-3 feet of new snow at
    our cabin.



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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Feb 6 13:14:58 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Digimaus on Tue Feb 06 2024 06:21 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.chat.general

    Digimaus wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Possibly the snow caused the pressure to build in the tanks. I haven't seen that around here but it's rare for us to get more than a few inches in the valley though higher up they get a foot or two.

    We've had a huge system settled in over California, we had rain nonstop
    for around 48 hours on the coast, and reports of 2-3 feet of new snow at
    our cabin.



    You just described every day in january in my home state of wisconsin
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Wed Feb 7 13:02:08 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Wed Feb 07 2024 10:29 am

    from the tanks to the houses/cabins was not burried deep enough, or maybe the installers did something else that didn't take the cold and snow into account.

    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the
    company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.


    he said tanks exploded or imploded.

    Up in the Sierra Nevada mountains, we had our choice of going all
    electric or setting up one of those big propane tanks. We don't live
    there year-round, so we went all electric.

    Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters
    where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded

    he probably had defective tanks.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Feb 6 13:16:42 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Tue Feb 06 2024 06:22 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    ps my tanks have been sitting outside in -20 windchill this year.


    I think it was more a function of the 15 feet of snow surrounding the
    tank.


    what would that do? do you think the snow would crush the tanks?
    it hasnt crushed anything outside where i live and we've had lots of snow some years.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 11 09:03:00 2024
    Jas Hud wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the
    company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.


    he said tanks exploded or imploded.

    The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
    The propane leaks out and ignites.




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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Feb 11 17:33:27 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 11 2024 09:03 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.chat.general

    Jas Hud wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.


    he said tanks exploded or imploded.

    The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
    The propane leaks out and ignites.

    Okay that's different from what you were saying before.

    " KW> Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters
    where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded or if the snow was
    too great for the connectors and pipes. Most likely, the latter. "

    Why did they ignite?

    this just seems like some made up story.

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to KURT WEISKE on Mon Feb 12 10:34:00 2024
    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.

    he said tanks exploded or imploded.

    The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
    The propane leaks out and ignites.

    I thought you mentioned the gas lines at some point. ;)

    Mike


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Mon Feb 12 15:38:21 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Mike Powell to KURT WEISKE on Mon Feb 12 2024 10:34 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.chat.general

    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.

    he said tanks exploded or imploded.

    The tanks aren't the problem, the gas lines running *to* the tanks are.
    The propane leaks out and ignites.

    I thought you mentioned the gas lines at some point. ;)


    he mentioned everything. none of it makes sense.
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