apam wrote to jimmylogan <=-

I think Linux is GREAT for getting use out of old hardware
that might otherwise be unusable...

I would say linux used to be good, but in my opinion it's become a bit
of a mess in recent years.

Interesting - there are different distros - unless you just don't
want to, try MINT or DEBIAN or something else.



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Interesting - there are different distros - unless you just don't
want to, try MINT or DEBIAN or something else.

I have tried MINT and DEBIAN, i last used debian trixie on my desktops
and firefox would continually crash. I don't know why. I do keep trying different distros though to see if things change, and I'm currently using fedora 43 kde spin - it seems to be working ok even using wayland.

In my experience though, different distros just have their own set of
problems. And with fedora taking AI contributions... i don't have much
faith that it wont run into issues soon.

FreeBSD doesn't do as much, and I suppose that could be seen as some
deficiency (ie, I can't use optimus on my laptop) but what it does do it
does well.

I guess I'm just disappointed, after 25+ years of using Linux I thought
things would have gotten a lot better, and yes, in many ways they have -
but i think all the improvements have brought so much extra complexity
that theres so much that can and does go wrong.

And so much of this complexity and newness just seems to me to be new for
the sake of being new. Ubuntu using rust coreutils for example ... why?
The existing core utils have been worked on for many years and work well,
but rust is the new shiny and we have to port to that to be safe - so
there's now a bunch of issues with compatibility with new core utils,
which will be worked out eventually, but for what?

Now I am all for people working on what interests them, and I suppose
that's what is happening. If ubuntu developers feel that making rust core
utils is a good thing, then it's their distro and they can do what they
like.

I want a computer that works well, it just seems to be such a moving
target and frustrates me.

Andrew


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I have tried MINT and DEBIAN, i last used debian trixie on my desktops
and firefox would continually crash. I don't know why. I do keep trying different distros though to see if things change, and I'm currently using fedora 43 kde spin - it seems to be working ok even using wayland.

Currently using trixie. I keep firefox updated and it does not crash.
That said, there are some websites that refuse to work with it, but I
suspect that is more site specific and not necessarily the browser. Those usually work fine with chromium.

Despite what some claim, I have found that the WM you use makes a
difference. I had one program, audacity, that was not working well under
LXQT but works just fine with IceWM.

FreeBSD doesn't do as much, and I suppose that could be seen as some deficiency (ie, I can't use optimus on my laptop) but what it does do it
does well.

I tried Free or OpenBSD a time or two. That was probably back 10+ years
ago and, at the time, it seemed to have more hardware (and browser) issues
than debian did.

I guess I'm just disappointed, after 25+ years of using Linux I thought things would have gotten a lot better, and yes, in many ways they have -
but i think all the improvements have brought so much extra complexity
that theres so much that can and does go wrong.

IMHO, the more "desktop user" compatable you make an OS, the more likely it
is to wind up bloated like Windows. IMHO, a large part of that is related
to how most web pages don't follow a standard, which means the browsers are seriously bloated and memory hungry. I have few problems so long as I
don't have a browser open.

And so much of this complexity and newness just seems to me to be new for
the sake of being new. Ubuntu using rust coreutils for example ... why?
The existing core utils have been worked on for many years and work well,
but rust is the new shiny and we have to port to that to be safe - so
there's now a bunch of issues with compatibility with new core utils,
which will be worked out eventually, but for what?

Ubuntu is something I avoid. I used to use it but had it twice completely break the system after following the directions for an apt full-upgrade. Ditched it and installed its predecessor, debian, and have had no issues
with apt since.

Unfortunately, some of the duhcisions they make do find their way back into debian. Hopefully, this coreutils change won't.

I want a computer that works well, it just seems to be such a moving
target and frustrates me.

Indeed.


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apam wrote to jimmylogan <=-

I want a computer that works well, it just seems to be such a moving target and frustrates me.

I get it... That's why I'm fine with MacOS overall... I only use
Linux on 'older' equipment.


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