Hello There,

I'm thinking that some questions need to be raised and discussed prior to the start of a Z1C election.

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to current Z1RC's?

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done by the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1 SysOp's?

There are other questions but this is a start.


Jeff



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On Tue, 24 Apr 2018, Jeff Smith wrote to All:

I'm thinking that some questions need to be raised and discussed
prior to the start of a Z1C election.

the first one is "is policy 4 in effect?"...

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any
current Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to current Z1RC's?

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done
by the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1
SysOp's?

several of these questions are covered by policy...

There are other questions but this is a start.

:)

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Hello Jeff!

25 Apr 18 06:39, you wrote to me:

Policy doesn't address this directly. Janis, in calling for the
election, stated her preference that nominations be open to any past
or present NC, RC, or ZC.

I know and agree with her preference but thought the question should
be asked if for no other reason than to allow discussion of the
subject.

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done by
the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1 SysOp's?

Officially, Policy 4.07 states that the Zone Coordinator is selected
by the RCs in that Zone. Therefore, we (as the RCs) will actually
select the new ZC.

Agreed. If it was a non *C position then a general Zone wide would be appropriate. In this case as per policy being a *C election it only
makes sense that those that have established a willingness and a
technical ability to perform the duties of the position be selected.

I have no problem with a Zone-wide vote, but afterwards we as the RCs will actually formally select the winner to replace Janis.

Andrew

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Hi Jeff,

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done by
the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1 SysOp's?

Officially, Policy 4.07 states that the Zone Coordinator is selected by the >>RCs in that Zone. Therefore, we (as the RCs) will actually select the new ZC

Agreed. If it was a non *C position then a general Zone wide would be
appropriate. In this case as per policy being a *C election it only makes sens
that those that have established a willingness and a technical ability to perform the duties of the position be selected.

Think about this one, Jeff... if the election that was held hadn't been open to
all sysops, (and I mean _ALL_, not just RCs) I wouldn't have been nominated or elected.

My preference is for the nominations/election be open to all.. The process you'll go through will weed out the chafe (sp). JMHO.

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Jeff!

25 Apr 18 06:39, you wrote to me:

Policy doesn't address this directly. Janis, in calling for the
election, stated her preference that nominations be open to any past
or present NC, RC, or ZC.

I know and agree with her preference but thought the question should
be asked if for no other reason than to allow discussion of the
subject.

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done by
the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1 SysOp's?

Officially, Policy 4.07 states that the Zone Coordinator is selected
by the RCs in that Zone. Therefore, we (as the RCs) will actually
select the new ZC.

Agreed. If it was a non *C position then a general Zone wide would be
appropriate. In this case as per policy being a *C election it only
makes sense that those that have established a willingness and a
technical ability to perform the duties of the position be selected.

I have no problem with a Zone-wide vote, but afterwards we as the RCs will actually formally select the winner to replace Janis.

Agree there..

Thanks, Andrew :)

I never thought this would be an easy task, but I'm hoping you'll involve all sysops in the nominations/voting - if for nothing else, I remember how great it
was when we had that election for Z1C when I was elected, so many (wow <g>) years ago where every single sysop had one vote.

I still remember Bob Seaborn calling me on phone at the conclusion telling I'd won the election. I kept saying, what??? You're sure??? Lol.. I never expected to win. I hadn't expected to even be nominated to be honest. I really figured Ross had it.

Bob then got right down to business and said "Ok, about your routing..." <grin>

Ah what great memories come to mind :)

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Andrew -- on Apr 25 2018 at 10:22, you wrote:

I have no problem with a Zone-wide vote, but afterwards we as the
RCs will actually formally select the winner to replace Janis.

I guess in theory, the sysops should vote by net, passing their results to their NCs who would then vote and pass their results to their RCs, who would...you get the picture! :-)


Cheers... Dallas

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Hello Dallas!

25 Apr 18 12:13, you wrote to me:

I have no problem with a Zone-wide vote, but afterwards we as the
RCs will actually formally select the winner to replace Janis.

I guess in theory, the sysops should vote by net, passing their
results to their NCs who would then vote and pass their results to
their RCs, who would...you get the picture! :-)

That would be an unnecessary complication. With the size of Zone 1 these days, a Zone-wide vote will not be especially difficult to manage. There are far fewer nodes now than there were for the last Z1C election.

Andrew

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Hi Andrew -- on Apr 25 2018 at 18:09, you wrote:

I guess in theory, the sysops should vote by net, passing their
results to their NCs who would then vote and pass their results to
their RCs, who would...you get the picture! :-)

That would be an unnecessary complication. With the size of Zone 1
these days, a Zone-wide vote will not be especially difficult to
manage. There are far fewer nodes now than there were for the last
Z1C election.

I agree (disappointing re numbers) - that's why I said "in theory" :-)


Cheers... Dallas

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Hello Dallas!

25 Apr 18 12:13, you wrote to me:

I have no problem with a Zone-wide vote, but afterwards we as the
RCs will actually formally select the winner to replace Janis.

I guess in theory, the sysops should vote by net, passing their
results to their NCs who would then vote and pass their results to
their RCs, who would...you get the picture! :-)

That would be an unnecessary complication. With the size of Zone 1 these days, a Zone-wide vote will not be especially difficult to manage. There are far fewer nodes now than there were for the last Z1C election.

Exactly... :)

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Hello Jeff!

24 Apr 18 17:41, you wrote to all:

I'm thinking that some questions need to be raised and discussed prior
to the start of a Z1C election.

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current
Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to current Z1RC's?

Policy doesn't address this directly. Janis, in calling for the election, stated her preference that nominations be open to any past or present NC, RC, or ZC.

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done by
the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1 SysOp's?

Officially, Policy 4.07 states that the Zone Coordinator is selected by the RCs in that Zone. Therefore, we (as the RCs) will actually select the new ZC.
The election will be our mechanism to determine who is interested in the position (via the nominations and acceptance process), and the preferences of the Zone's rank-and-file SysOps. I posted a proposed set of election rules and schedule here, but haven't received any feedback yet.

Andrew

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Hello mark,

I'm thinking that some questions need to be raised and discussed
prior to the start of a Z1C election.

the first one is "is policy 4 in effect?"...

Yeah, that was a question that was on my list to raise.

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any
current Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations
limited to current Z1RC's?
Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done
by the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1
SysOp's?

So, what are your thoughts on how it should be handled?

several of these questions are covered by policy...

I realize that, but was looking for personal views of those that would be participating/handling the election.

Jeff

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Hello Andrew,

I'm thinking that some questions need to be raised and discussed prior
to the start of a Z1C election.

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current
Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to
current Z1RC's?

Policy doesn't address this directly. Janis, in calling for the election, stated her preference that nominations be open to any past or present NC, RC, or ZC.

I know and agree with her preference but thought the question should be asked if for no other reason than to allow discussion of the subject.

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done by
the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1 SysOp's?

Officially, Policy 4.07 states that the Zone Coordinator is selected by the
RCs in that Zone. Therefore, we (as the RCs) will actually select the new ZC.

Agreed. If it was a non *C position then a general Zone wide would be appropriate. In this case as per policy being a *C election it only makes sense
that those that have established a willingness and a technical ability to perform the duties of the position be selected.

Jeff

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Re: Z1 Election?
By: Jeff Smith to All on Tue Apr 24 2018 05:41 pm

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to current Z1RC's?

Good question - because if we elect an RC I'm assuming we'll need to (or want to) have an election for a new RC.
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On 2018 Apr 25 06:17:54, you wrote to Jeff Smith:

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current
Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to
current Z1RC's?

Policy doesn't address this directly. Janis, in calling for the
election, stated her preference that nominations be open to any past
or present NC, RC, or ZC.

historically, the ZC has been chosen from RCs, ex-RCs, and ex-ZCs... NCs might have qualified if they have/had previous RC or ZC experience... it may not be so important these days with the zone being so small but it was in the past when there were thousands of nodes...

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On 2018 Apr 24 22:51:28, you wrote to me:

I'm thinking that some questions need to be raised and discussed prior
to the start of a Z1C election.

the first one is "is policy 4 in effect?"...

Yeah, that was a question that was on my list to raise.

my thinking is that it should be the first question asked ;)

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current
Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to
current Z1RC's? Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the
voting done by the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current
Z1 SysOp's?

So, what are your thoughts on how it should be handled?

i suggest we follow history and select from RCs, ex-RCs, and ex-ZCs...

several of these questions are covered by policy...

I realize that, but was looking for personal views of those that would
be participating/handling the election.

oh, ok... the questions were generic enough that i couldn't tell :)

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On 2018 Apr 25 06:39:32, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current
Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to
current Z1RC's?

Policy doesn't address this directly. Janis, in calling for the
election, stated her preference that nominations be open to any past or
present NC, RC, or ZC.

I know and agree with her preference but thought the question should
be asked if for no other reason than to allow discussion of the
subject.

if we're following policy (and history), there's not much to discuss, really...

Who is eligible to vote in the Z1C election. Is the voting done by
the Z1RC's or is the voting to be done by any current Z1 SysOp's?

Officially, Policy 4.07 states that the Zone Coordinator is selected by
the RCs in that Zone. Therefore, we (as the RCs) will actually select
the new ZC.

Agreed. If it was a non *C position then a general Zone wide would be appropriate. In this case as per policy being a *C election it only
makes sense that those that have established a willingness and a
technical ability to perform the duties of the position be selected.

and therein you have specified exactly why the ZC position is chosen from such a small group of candidates... "technical ability" (plus knowledge and understanding) being the main one...

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On 2018 Apr 25 07:16:14, you wrote to Jeff Smith:

Who is eligible to be nominated for the Z1C position? Are any current
Z1 SysOp's eligible to be nominated or are the nominations limited to
current Z1RC's?

Good question - because if we elect an RC I'm assuming we'll need to
(or want to) have an election for a new RC.

RCs are, by policy, chosen by the ZC... if an RC is selected as ZC, they may retain their RC hat as has been done in the past or they may give it up... if they give it up, they may assign someone as the new RC for that region or they may decide to have the region select an new RC from their pool... if the region
has an election, the ZC is not obligated to follow their recommendation and may
still choose a replacement RC on their own... by policy, RCs are not chosen by other RCs... the ZC may consult with RCs to see if they can work together but the final selection of a RC is up to the ZC...

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On 2018 Apr 25 12:50:30, you wrote to Jeff Smith:

Officially, Policy 4.07 states that the Zone Coordinator is selected
by the RCs in that Zone. Therefore, we (as the RCs) will actually
select the new ZC

Agreed. If it was a non *C position then a general Zone wide would be
appropriate. In this case as per policy being a *C election it only
makes sens that those that have established a willingness and a
technical ability to perform the duties of the position be selected.

Think about this one, Jeff... if the election that was held hadn't
been open to all sysops, (and I mean _ALL_, not just RCs) I wouldn't
have been nominated or elected.

you were R11EC at the time, weren't you? in my recent posts, i've specified RCs, ex-RCs and ex-ZCs but RECs may have also been included...

17 years is not a BadThing,tm> ya know ;)

My preference is for the nominations/election be open to all.. The
process you'll go through will weed out the chafe (sp). JMHO.

hopefully the chaff will work itself out anyway ;)

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On 2018 Apr 25 12:13:12, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

I have no problem with a Zone-wide vote, but afterwards we as the RCs
will actually formally select the winner to replace Janis.

I guess in theory, the sysops should vote by net, passing their
results to their NCs who would then vote and pass their results to
their RCs, who would...you get the picture! :-)

if we go that route, i would not have a problem with this as long as there's the understanding that the NCs have the final say in who they cast their ballot
for when they cast it with their RC... the same for the RCs, too... they have the final say in who their ballot is cast for...

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Hi mark -- on Apr 26 2018 at 10:09, you wrote:

if we go that route, i would not have a problem with this as long as there's the understanding that the NCs have the final say in who
they cast their ballot for when they cast it with their RC... the
same for the RCs, too... they have the final say in who their ballot
is cast for...

Agreed, mark -- Policy 4 is quite clear on that, imo.

Cheers... Dallas

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Agree there..

Thanks, Andrew :)

I never thought this would be an easy task, but I'm hoping you'll

involve

all sysops in the nominations/voting - if for nothing else, I remember

how

great it
was when we had that election for Z1C when I was elected, so many (wow

<g>)

years ago where every single sysop had one vote.

I still remember Bob Seaborn calling me on phone at the conclusion

telling

I'd won the election. I kept saying, what??? You're sure??? Lol.. I

never

expected to win. I hadn't expected to even be nominated to be honest. I really figured Ross had it.

Bob then got right down to business and said "Ok, about your routing..." <grin>

Ah what great memories come to mind :)

Take care,
Janis

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Ya i rember how great things use to be :) i hope fidonet will be like that agian some day but no matter i will be here to help it along :).

Tj
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Hi Tj,

Ya i rember how great things use to be :) i hope fidonet will be like that agian some day but no matter i will be here to help it along :).

That's great TJ, appreciate you being there :)

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Tj,

Ya i rember how great things use to be :) i hope fidonet will be like

that

agian some day but no matter i will be here to help it along :).

That's great TJ, appreciate you being there :)

Take care,
Janis

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Not a prob, us sysop old and new need to stick together :)

Take care
Tj
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