Is this bad news for my hdd?

https://susepaste.org/90068115

That is the result on my T60 currently operating XP, and I luv
it.

I have been contemplating upgrading to SSD and at least 500GB
to 1TB.



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On 31/12/2022 00:43, August Abolins - All wrote:

Is this bad news for my hdd?

https://susepaste.org/90068115

When I work in 31C, I am not very happy. If your HDD is like me, then,
yes, that's bad news for it. :-) Happy new year.

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Hello Stas!

But I recommend you do a backup.

At the moment, I don't have enough external memory/storage to
do that. :/

I recommend you using the SSD as the system drive and the
HDD as the data drive. This configuration will be more
long-lived and reliable.

The T60 affords operating a 2nd'ary drive in lieu of the DVD
drive. But at this point, I am enamoured to reduce heat
generation, associated fan noise, and any hdd noise and just
migrate to SSD ..and I want to retain use of the DVDRW drive
for certain occassions.

A direct SSD migration seems simpler to achieve.

The HDD+SSD project sounds more time consuming.

PS: Keep in mind that XP does not know how to properly work with SSD. You need to use at least Win7.

What is "proper"? Are you referring to TRIM and what is also
referred to as Garbage Collection?

XP doesn't entertain extra background disk activity like the
later OSes do. It is my understanding that with properly
adjusted (aligned) partitions, the SSD should have very few
issues operating without TRIM.
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Hello Wayne Harris!

** On Sunday 01.01.23 - 15:45, you wrote:

When I work in 31C, I am not very happy. If your HDD is
like me, then, yes, that's bad news for it. :-) Happy new
year.

I'm reading the following as common info:

"HDD Overheating Symptoms

"The normal temperature of a hard drive is from 40C° to 50C°
when it is in work. The temperature of HDD should not be more
than 70 C°. An IDE hard drive is usually from 30 C° to 50 C°.
It probably causes data loss or even worse it may damage the
hard drive when its temperature is up to 100 C°.


Further to my enlightenment:

C:\Documents and Settings\User>chkdsk
The type of the file system is NTFS.
Volume label is SYSTEM.

WARNING! F parameter not specified.
Running CHKDSK in read-only mode.

CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 3)...
File verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 3)...
Deleting index entry SB1-1223[1].dtb in index $I30 of file 1425.
Deleting index entry SB1INF-1221[1].dtb in index $I30 of file 1425.
Deleting index entry SB1INF~2.DTB in index $I30 of file 1425.
Deleting index entry SB3053~1.DTB in index $I30 of file 1425.
Deleting index entry CHROMESC1-1036[1].dtb in index $I30 of file 1535.
Deleting index entry CHROME~3.DTB in index $I30 of file 1535.
Deleting index entry SB1INF-1222[1].dtb in index $I30 of file 1535.
Deleting index entry SB1INF~4.DTB in index $I30 of file 1535.
Deleting index entry CHROMESC1-1033[1].dtb in index $I30 of file 1618.
Deleting index entry CHROME~1.DTB in index $I30 of file 1618.
Deleting index entry SB1-1221[1].dtb in index $I30 of file 1618.
Deleting index entry SB1-12~1.DTB in index $I30 of file 1618.
Deleting index entry SB1INF-1223[1].dtb in index $I30 of file 1618.
Deleting index entry SB1INF~2.DTB in index $I30 of file 1618.
Deleting index entry twitter%20copy[1].png in index $I30 of file 1666.
Deleting index entry TWITTE~1.PNG in index $I30 of file 1666.
Deleting index entry hsperfdata_User in index $I30 of file 9593.
Deleting index entry HSPERF~1 in index $I30 of file 9593.
Deleting index entry msohtmlclip in index $I30 of file 9593.
Deleting index entry MSOHTM~1 in index $I30 of file 9593.
Deleting index entry VBE in index $I30 of file 9593.
Index verification completed.

Errors found. CHKDSK cannot continue in read-only mode.

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Hi August!

30 ñѬ 22 22:43, August Abolins -> All:

Is this bad news for my hdd?

https://susepaste.org/90068115

I don't think so. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/files/CrystalDiskInfo_20221231103541.png https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/files/CrystalDiskInfo_20221231103635.png
But I recommend you do a backup.

That is the result on my T60 currently operating XP, and I luv
it.

I have been contemplating upgrading to SSD and at least 500GB
to 1TB.

I recommend you using the SSD as the system drive and the HDD as the data drive. This configuration will be more long-lived and reliable.

PS: Keep in mind that XP does not know how to properly work with SSD. You need to use at least Win7.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello Wayne Harris!

When I work in 31C, I am not very happy. If your HDD is like me, then, yes, that's bad news for it. :-) Happy new year.

Perhaps the HDD temp is not the greatest thing to worry about:

https://susepaste.org/40069890

:(

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Hi August!

01 ﭢ 23 10:10, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

But I recommend you do a backup.

At the moment, I don't have enough external memory/storage to
do that. :/

Usually it is enough to save the configuration files.

I recommend you using the SSD as the system drive and the
HDD as the data drive. This configuration will be more
long-lived and reliable.

The T60

Waw! https://arsenal-info.ru/images/img-3_6/tanki-tank-t-60-tth-video-foto.jpg

affords operating a 2nd'ary drive in lieu of the DVD drive. But at
this point, I am enamoured to reduce heat generation, associated fan noise, and any hdd noise and just migrate to SSD ..and I want to
retain use of the DVDRW drive for certain occassions.

Yes. For a laptop, it is better to replace the HDD with an SSD.

A direct SSD migration seems simpler to achieve.

The HDD+SSD project sounds more time consuming.

For a desktop computer, this is a reasonable solution. For a laptop - only if there is an M2 slot, or you don't need DVD anymore.

PS: Keep in mind that XP does not know how to properly work with SSD. You
need to use at least Win7.

What is "proper"? Are you referring to TRIM and what is also
referred to as Garbage Collection?

They say TRIM significantly prolongs the life of the SSD.

XP doesn't entertain extra background disk activity like the
later OSes do. It is my understanding that with properly
adjusted (aligned) partitions, the SSD should have very few
issues operating without TRIM.

I won't argue.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi August!

01 ﭢ 23 10:38, August Abolins -> Wayne Harris:

When I work in 31C, I am not very happy. If your HDD is
like me, then, yes, that's bad news for it. :-) Happy new
year.

I'm reading the following as common info:

"HDD Overheating Symptoms

"The normal temperature of a hard drive is from 40C° to 50C°
when it is in work. The temperature of HDD should not be more
than 70 C°. An IDE hard drive is usually from 30 C° to 50 C°.
It probably causes data loss or even worse it may damage the
hard drive when its temperature is up to 100 C°.

Meanwhile, the colder your drive is, the longer it will live. I try not to warm my drives over 35°C.

[fido@brorabbit ~]$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda |grep -i temp
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 076 001 000 Old_age Always - 24 (Min/Max 20/24)
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 076 057 000 Old_age Always - 24 (Min/Max 20/26)
[fido@brorabbit ~]$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb |grep -i temp
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 028 032 000 Old_age Always - 28 (Min/Max 21/32)
[fido@brorabbit ~]$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdc |grep -i temp
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 117 094 000 Old_age Always - 30

Further to my enlightenment:

C:\Documents and Settings\User>chkdsk
The type of the file system is NTFS.
Volume label is SYSTEM.

WARNING! F parameter not specified.
Running CHKDSK in read-only mode.

CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 3)...
File verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 3)...

[...skipped...]

Index verification completed.

Errors found. CHKDSK cannot continue in read-only mode.

It only says that these files are currently open. This is normal. Try HDDscan. https://hddscan.com/download.html

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello Stas!

The T60

Waw! https://arsenal-info.ru/images/img-3_6/tanki-tank-t-60-tth-video-fot o.jpg

Yes.. the Thinkpad T60 is kinda like that! But it isn't
designed to hurt anyone. ;)

The HDD+SSD project sounds more time consuming.

For a desktop computer, this is a reasonable solution. For a laptop -
only if there is an M2 slot, or you don't need DVD anymore.

I do have a couple of desktops that might benefit from such a
combination. For now, I decided to order a dedicated external
4TB HDD device for incrementals and/or images.

What is "proper"? Are you referring to TRIM and what is also
referred to as Garbage Collection?

They say TRIM significantly prolongs the life of the SSD.

My reading of TRIM is that it is beneficial only because Win7
and up conduct vast amounts of continuous disk activity far and
above what XP with normal user activity might do.

Anyway.. I'm also reading that with proper "alignment" of the
SSD, and with sufficient unused space on the SSD, lack of TRIM
won't be an issue. In fact, by the time I settle down with the
new installation, I might consider upgrading to Win7/32, albiet
limited to the maxed 3GB RAM on the T60.

adjusted (aligned) partitions, the SSD should have very few
issues operating without TRIM.

I won't argue.

I will report! The SSD should arrive on Friday. I just forgot
to order an external USB/SATA connector. So.. the initial
cloning won't occur until about a week later now.


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Hello Stas!

Meanwhile, the colder your drive is, the longer it will live. I try not
to warm my drives over 35°C.

True. Yes, integrated-circuits are best kept in cooler temps.
Meanwhile, my HDD seems to settle at 32C for most of the time.

Index verification completed.
Errors found. CHKDSK cannot continue in read-only mode.

It only says that these files are currently open. This is normal. Try HDDscan. https://hddscan.com/download.html

Thx for the tip.

Meanwhile, CHKDSK C: /F /V /R did its magic successfully.

https://susepaste.org/23321526

But I did a Cleanup and Defrag before that.

Now the T60 seems noticeably faster too. The defrag was
probably the most salient issue. I don't recall the last time
I even bothered to check defrag of the smaller C: partition.

The H: partition had no CHKDSK errors at all.
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