Re: RE: No compression to one node
By: Marc Lewis to mark lewis on Mon Oct 29 2018 19:10:46

markl> i don't know and apparently others also do not... i know that
markl> several squish using systems linked here are sending bundles for
markl> echomail instead of raw PKTs... some send netmail in a bundle and
markl> others have figured out a way to send netmail as PKTs...

MarcL> I'll keep digging to see if I can find something in the docs. Why
MarcL> this particular node prefers to receive data uncompressed is, how
MarcL> shall I say it, unconventional?

ummm... it is not really unconventional... i've been doing raw PKTs here for years on my old FD/RA/FE system... i'm doing it now with this new synchronet installation... on the old system, one of the initial mail tossing actions was to first extract all the bundles to raw PKTs... that was done via a tool known as SPAZ... the mail tosser never saw any bundles and all of my links were set to no archiver so they got raw PKTs... one or two switched the archiver back to zip and i switched it right back to none... even on a fast machine, the time spent to archive PKTs into mail bundles is just wasted time...

there really is no reason for archiving PKTs into mail bundles these days... it was done in the past mainly to shorten the connection time since that cost real $$$... in today's world, this isn't a concern... then one can also factor in that the server can compress on the fly during transmission and bundles are just not necessary...


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Hallo Marc!

29.10.2018 20:04, Marc Lewis schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

How do I set Squish to not compress packets for one particular
node?

Netmail or echomail?

Thank you for your reply!

You are welcome. :-)

He would prefer to receive everything uncompressed, but I'm not sure
that Squish can do this.

Well, no, squish can't sent echomail uncompressed by default.
But, if you define a different squish.cfg witout any packer defintions, all pakets will be uncompressed.

If you want to sent netmail without compression, do a 'squish out' without 'squash'.

Compressing mail was one of the main features of squish.

Possibly hpt/fastecho can handle uncompressed mail, but I really don't know this, because im not using one of them.

Herzliche Grüße,
Marc

Bye/2 Torsten

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Hello Torsten.

<On 30Oct2018 18:47 Torsten Bamberg (2:240/5832) wrote a message to Marc Lewis regarding No compression to one node >

He would prefer to receive everything uncompressed, but I'm not sure
that Squish can do this.

Well, no, squish can't sent echomail uncompressed by default. But,
if you define a different squish.cfg witout any packer defintions,
all pakets will be uncompressed.

After reading throught the documentation, this is the same conclusion I came to. But switching back and forth for one Node would be, at best, impractical.

If you want to sent netmail without compression, do a 'squish out'
without 'squash'.

Yes, and the same is true for an EchoMail outbound scan, but the outbound directory would become a nightmare. It's a Binkley style outbound and Binkley doesn't recognise uncompressed packets IIRC; Internet Rex does, but tends to miss some from time-to-time.

Compressing mail was one of the main features of squish.

Indeed. It was, if I'm not mistaken, one of the first tossers that did it automatically, first to the FidoNet ARC standard, then expanding out to handle multiple archivers/unarchivers.

MarK Lewis pointed out that now-a-days it hardly makes sense to waste compute cycles to archive outbound packets due to the connectivity via the internet now
commonly utilised; but still, there are traditional Binkley based mailers that require compressed mail bundles with their attendant .?LO files. I still have users that come in over POTS line and get their mail and others that telnet into the system to Binkley and pick up mail that way. I'm just going to leave everything alone... It's been working for the last 25 years with few major failures. :-)

Possibly hpt/fastecho can handle uncompressed mail, but I really
don't know this, because im not using one of them.

Every one that I can think of does so, in fact, I believe it's an FTS requirement.

Best regards - Herzliche Grüße,
Marc

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Re: Re: No compression to one node
By: Marc Lewis to Torsten Bamberg on Tue Oct 30 2018 07:08 pm

If you want to sent netmail without compression, do a 'squish out' without 'squash'.

Yes, and the same is true for an EchoMail outbound scan, but the outbound directory would become a nightmare. It's a Binkley style outbound and Binkley doesn't recognise uncompressed packets IIRC;

BSO recognizes/supports uncompressed packets (e.g. outbound/*.out) just fine.

MarK Lewis pointed out that now-a-days it hardly makes sense to waste compute cycles to archive outbound packets due to the connectivity via the internet now
commonly utilised; but still, there are traditional Binkley based mailers that require compressed mail bundles with their attendant .?LO files.

That would weird considering the original Binkley mailer (BinkleyTerm) did not (require compressed mail bundles).

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Hello Marc!

29 Oct 18 11:19, Marc Lewis wrote to All:

How do I set Squish to not compress packets for one particular node?

This works for me...

----- Route.Cfg begins -----
Send Crash NoArc 2:302/0 ; Bjorn doesn't like compressed mail bundles
----- Route.Cfg ends -----

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Hello Fred.

<On 31Oct2018 08:45 Fred Riccio (1:132/174) wrote a message to Marc Lewis regarding No compression to one node >

This works for me...

----- Route.Cfg begins -----
Send Crash NoArc 2:302/0 ; Bjorn doesn't like compressed mail
bundles ----- Route.Cfg ends -----

Excellent! I'll give that a try! Many thanks.

Best regards,
Marc

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Hello Fred,

31 Oct 18 08:45 at you wrote to Marc Lewis:

----- Route.Cfg begins -----
Send Crash NoArc 2:302/0 ; Bjorn doesn't like compressed mail bundles
----- Route.Cfg ends -----

That was it, Fred! I knew it was in ROUTE.CFG but I couldn't remember the keyword.

Later,
Sean

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Hallo Fred!

31.10.2018 08:45, Fred Riccio schrieb an Marc Lewis:

----- Route.Cfg begins -----
Send Crash NoArc 2:302/0 ; Bjorn doesn't like compressed mail bundles
----- Route.Cfg ends -----

okay. I haven't found this defintions for the route.cfg of squish.

Thanks a lot.

Bye/2 Torsten

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Hello Torsten,

01 Nov 18 01:21 at you wrote to Fred Riccio:

okay. I haven't found this defintions for the route.cfg of squish.

It's in the Squish manual (starting at page 74 under "Send"):

The optional NoArc modifier stops Squish from archiving the packet that is created for the specified system. Squish will simply change all normal-flavoured packets to the
specified flavour, placing all of the original packets into one large packet file. The command "Send NoArc" has the same net effect as "Change Normal". This modifier apples to BinkleyTerm systems only.

...

In the BinkleyTerm outbound area, using Send (without the NoArc modifier) has the following result:

xxxxyyyy.OUT --> xxxxyyyy.MO? + xxxxyyyy.?LO

With the NoArc modifier, the result will be as follows:

xxxxyyyy.OUT --> xxxxyyyy.?UT

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On 2018 Oct 30 19:08:30, you wrote to Torsten Bamberg:

MarcL> MarK Lewis pointed out that now-a-days it hardly makes sense to
MarcL> waste compute cycles to archive outbound packets due to the
MarcL> connectivity via the internet now commonly utilised; but still,

:thumbs up:

MarcL> there are traditional Binkley based mailers that require compressed
MarcL> mail bundles with their attendant .?LO files.

actually, not required... BSO doesn't care... as far as the ?LO files go, they can point to any file to be delivered... it is up to the mail tosser to determine what and how it presents to the mailer via the BSO...

MarcL> I still have users that come in over POTS line and get their mail
MarcL> and others that telnet into the system to Binkley and pick up mail
MarcL> that way. I'm just going to leave everything alone... It's been
MarcL> working for the last 25 years with few major failures. :-)

that works, too :)

Possibly hpt/fastecho can handle uncompressed mail, but I really
don't know this, because im not using one of them.

MarcL> Every one that I can think of does so, in fact, I believe it's an
MarcL> FTS requirement.

hunh? links??

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