• Couldn't Resist... 1.

    From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Richard Webb on Thu May 6 16:02:06 2010
    Hi, Richard! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    I've seen messages from you in other echoes, and you
    strike me as a man of good sense.... :-)

    Glad to hear that, I try anyway <g>.


    Please be patient with me... I'm an unfinished work. :-))



    Music hath charms to soothe the savage b(r)east...
    or whatever. ;-)

    Or root him to the spot in fear in the case of war
    pipes <g>>


    Yes, I'd certainly include that in the "whatever"! I'm also reminded of hearing "Onward Christian Soldiers", written by Sir Arthur Sullivan, played on a pipe organ along with a good choir. When they got to "Hell's foundations quiver at the SHOUT of praise" the entire building shook. Tsk, tsk. Sullivan used parallel octaves there & according to my harmony teacher parallel octaves are against the rules. But I think Sullivan knew what he was doing... [grin].



    I remember a kid whacking on a snare drum when I
    was with an ear a foot or two from it adjusting the
    position of a microphone in the studio. <ouch>.


    IOW your attention was focused on various subleties when this kid hit you like a ton of bricks. I can relate. Just the other day, I happened to be sharing a washroom with another female member of our community band who was in search of toilet paper to plug her ears because she had to sit in front of the trumpets. I can relate to that too. While James is a drummer, however, I see he's aware of what's going on around him... as is Nora. Not *all* drummers or trumpet players or alto saxophone players are brash, noisy extroverts.... ;-)



    I always liked nice theaters, and dreaded some gyms
    and sports arenas.


    Bottom line is, gyms & sports arenas are not designed with folks like you & me in mind. An example of how we tend to fall below the radar... one of my principals gave permission to the PE teacher to use my classroom for a noon hour basketball team meeting because it was close to the gym. Neither of them bothered to ask me whether I might want to use it. When three very large guys (all of whom played large brass instruments) arrived I encouraged them to warm up as usual. Shortly afterwards, the meeting reconvened elsewhere. :-))



    Otoh the old KRNT radio theater was great to do sound
    in, as was Hoyt Sherman place where they did dramatic
    performances.


    It seems to me that what we're doing involves both art *and* science. I was privileged to hear a concert at the Albert Hall in England... where even in the cheapest seats the sound was fabulous. I gather "mushrooms" were added to the ceiling just over a century after the original construction. I may not live long enough to see how the newer buildings around here can be fixed. :-)




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Richard Webb@1:116/901 to Ardith Hinton on Fri May 7 14:06:56 2010
    HEllo ARdith,

    On Thu 2038-May-06 16:02, Ardith Hinton (1:153/716) wrote to Richard Webb:

    I've seen messages from you in other echoes, and you
    strike me as a man of good sense.... :-)

    Glad to hear that, I try anyway <g>.


    Please be patient with me... I'm an unfinished work. :-))

    DItto.


    Music hath charms to soothe the savage b(r)east...
    or whatever. ;-)

    Or root him to the spot in fear in the case of war
    pipes <g>>


    Yes, I'd certainly include that in the "whatever"! I'm
    also reminded of hearing "Onward Christian Soldiers", written by Sir
    Arthur Sullivan, played on a pipe organ along with a good choir.
    When they got to "Hell's foundations quiver at the SHOUT of praise"
    the entire building shook. Tsk, tsk. Sullivan used parallel
    octaves there & according to my harmony teacher parallel octaves are against the rules. But I think Sullivan knew what he was doing...
    [grin].

    OF course he did, that's a powerful piece of music when
    performed that way. I remember that parallel octaves thing too. Another theory teacher used to rail against parallel
    thirds too. ASked him one day about all these blues cats
    who wrote some great music using parallel thirds <g>>


    I remember a kid whacking on a snare drum when I
    was with an ear a foot or two from it adjusting the
    position of a microphone in the studio. <ouch>.


    IOW your attention was focused on various subleties when
    this kid hit you like a ton of bricks. I can relate. Just the
    other day, I happened to be sharing a washroom with another female
    member of our community band who was in search of toilet paper to
    plug her ears because she had to sit in front of the trumpets. I
    can relate to that too. While James is a drummer, however, I see
    he's aware of what's going on around him... as is Nora. Not *all*
    drummers or trumpet players or alto saxophone players are brash,
    noisy extroverts.... ;-)

    Yep, told him never to do that to me again <g>.


    <snip>

    I always liked nice theaters, and dreaded some gyms
    <snip>

    Bottom line is, gyms & sports arenas are not designed with
    folks like you & me in mind. An example of how we tend to fall
    below the radar... one of my principals gave permission to the PE
    teacher to use my classroom for a noon hour basketball team meeting
    because it was close to the gym. Neither of them bothered to ask me whether I might want to use it. When three very large guys (all of
    whom played large brass instruments) arrived I encouraged them to
    warm up as usual. Shortly afterwards, the meeting reconvened
    elsewhere. :-))

    <rotfl!> I like it. When I did a lot of live sound i
    dreaded doing those places.


    Otoh the old KRNT radio theater was great to do sound
    in, as was Hoyt Sherman place where they did dramatic
    performances.

    It seems to me that what we're doing involves both art
    *and* science. I was privileged to hear a concert at the Albert Hall
    in England... where even in the cheapest seats the sound was
    fabulous. I gather "mushrooms" were added to the ceiling just over
    a century after the original construction. I may not live long
    enough to see how the newer buildings around here can be fixed. :-)

    I don't think a lot of these modern "boxes" can be fixed
    without a complete redesign of the interior. These old
    cathedrals, etc. were built with the proper acoustics for
    what was intended to happen in those spaces. But, we also
    didn't have the intrusive noise sources from outside we have now, nor climate control systems, etc. THe horse clopping
    by pulling the carriage was easily enough ignored, or
    isolated. NOt so the truck going through the gears to make
    the hill. tHen there's the nice climate control system that keeps your tush cool or warm while you perofrm, or enjoy the performance.

    TOo many people who get into performing or capturing
    performances don't learn enough about the science of
    acoustics and how spaces around us shape the sounds we hear.


    Regards,
    Richard
    --- timEd 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: (1:116/901)