Hello everybody!

Since ELEBBS is a clone of Remoteaccess and it has no place of it's
own I'm guess this is the most appropriate place.

I'm useing ELENEWS to download a few newsgroups as it's quite a bit
more effective than gating to FTS back and forth.

ELEBBS has a pascal like script... I'm not a programmer but usually
can do pretty well when there's an example or two in the scripts and
can get things going.

ELEBBS has a pascal-like scripting progrma. I'm looking at it's
NWSFILT.PAS file and havent' a clue how to make this darn script
filter the spam out of the news. It's pretty simple to enter the
strings of my filter criteria in it. In fact I once wrote a NNTP
filter in cobol (yes cobol) which was pretty good at massaging data. Complicated by a recent brain injury i'm not the best... but there's
nothing here to go by. Can someone please take a look.

The script is in it's entirety below.

Thanks

Allen

---- SNIP

program NWSFILT;
(*
**
** EleBBS EleXer source.
** Filter for EleNEWS.
**
** Created: 24-may-2001
** Last update: 24-may-2001
** Written by: Maarten Bekers
**
*)

type ArticleRecord = record
FromWho : String;
Subject : String;
MsgSize : Integer[4];
MsgLines: Integer[4];
Headers : Array[1..50] of String;
HdrLines: Integer[4];
end; { ArticleRecord }

var ArticleInf: ArticleRecord;
begin
{-- now get the header as read by EleNEWS
----------------------------------}
GetNewsArticleHeader(ArticleInf);

{-- we can add checking here. if our return value is NO the message
wont ---}
{-- be downloaded any further
----------------------------------------------}
{ ... }

{-- we accept all messages by default
--------------------------------------}
SetResultValue('YES');
end. { nwsfilt }

----------------- END SNIP

Not a clue :-(

Allen


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Allen


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13 Sep 16 01:39, you wrote to All:

Since ELEBBS is a clone of Remoteaccess and it has no place of it's
own I'm guess this is the most appropriate place.

i'll allow it since the ELEBBS echo dried up and blew away many years back...

[trim]

Not a clue :-(

no clue here, either... all the support i know of for Ele is on the mailing list where i think you've posted recently ;)

)\/(ark

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* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, mark lewis said:

i'll allow it since the ELEBBS echo dried up and blew away many years back...

Shame I can't find someone who had all the old messages that I could
rescan. Chances are the answer would lie within there... maybe.

Allen


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13 Sep 16 20:58, you wrote to me:

i'll allow it since the ELEBBS echo dried up and blew away many years
back...

Shame I can't find someone who had all the old messages that I could rescan.

why? first maint would purge them for age...

Chances are the answer would lie within there... maybe.

possibly but i suspect the mailing list is the easiest and fastest ;)

)\/(ark

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* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, mark lewis said:

why? first maint would purge them for age...

With the large hard drives of today there's no need to purge... in
fact I have an average of 5 years retention on most echos.
Unfortunately the settings are a max of 9999 messages or 999 days...
There is no other "retention" greater than that in fastecho, ELE or
RA's settings :-(

possibly but i suspect the mailing list is the easiest and fastest ;)

Only thing I hear from the mailing list right now is crickets.
There's nothing much going on.

Allen


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Since ELEBBS is a clone of Remoteaccess and it has no place of it's own I'm guess this is the most appropriate place.

Maybe we should get it going again? I've been seeing as many (more actually) questions about Ele over the last couple years than quite a few others.
Traffic on the mailing list comes and goes. Wonder if Mike would let it be gated?

Anyway, just an idea. How would one go about getting an echo xreated, or reinstated?

Richard

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Shame I can't find someone who had all the old messages that I could rescan. Chances are the answer would lie within there... maybe.

http://fidonet.ozzmosis.com

You may not be able to get a rescan but they are all there for you to read.

Richard

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14 Sep 16 02:31, you wrote to me:

why? first maint would purge them for age...

With the large hard drives of today there's no need to purge... in
fact I have an average of 5 years retention on most echos.
Unfortunately the settings are a max of 9999 messages or 999 days...
There is no other "retention" greater than that in fastecho, ELE or
RA's settings :-(

exactly...

possibly but i suspect the mailing list is the easiest and fastest ;)

Only thing I hear from the mailing list right now is crickets.
There's nothing much going on.

did you not ask a question or such in the last weeks??? i know there were numerous responses to it...

)\/(ark

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If there were answers to the e-mail group then I never received them.
I've had a lot of problems with my provider and mailing lists. LOTS.
Seems that my host uses a service called SpamCop that tends to eat
mailing list messages that are not compliant with the new standards
that Microsoft/Yahoo/and AOL came up with a couple of years back.

If they are not running the lastest mailserver software then I have
problems.

Allen


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15 Sep 16 15:37, you wrote to me:

If there were answers to the e-mail group then I never received them.
I've had a lot of problems with my provider and mailing lists. LOTS.

then sign up with a free service... there are several available... heck, for that matter, sign up with a bbs account ;)

i have maybe 15 or 20 email addresses that i check every day... thunderbird hits them all at once when i tell it to check... many of my email addresses are
on my own email server but i've also several gmail, yahoo, and hotmail addresses...

Seems that my host uses a service called SpamCop that tends to eat
mailing list messages

sorry but spamcop doesn't eat anything... it is a reporting service only... your provider is filtering based on the results of queries to the spamcop database... i used spamcop for several years to take back my email acount from the spammers... i used to get over 300 spams a day which were all reported to spamcop... now i get maybe one or two spams a day and it is the same email address i've had since the mid '90s... so anyway, spamcop is not the one to blame here... it is your provider's use of the spamcop services...

that are not compliant with the new standards that Microsoft/Yahoo/and
AOL came up with a couple of years back.

that sounds like FUD they are feeding you...

If they are not running the lastest mailserver software then I have problems.

that's crap, too...

anyway, you wrote two posts on Sep 9... one at 10:19PM (Need Help with ELEWEB) and the other at 10:43PM (SMTP for JAM / ELEBBS)... robert wolfe responded to the second one seven (7) minutes later with

[quote]

Is there a program that can offer SMTPMail for EleBBS?

I know Synchro, Wildcat, and Virtual have it, but their message bases are
not compatible with ELEBBS.

Dinks multiserv does this but does Internet email to and from netmail and requires a separate tossed.
[/quote]


mike ehlert (aka PCMike) responded to your first one on Sep 12th @ 11:04AM with

[quote]

I do not have it available yet on the server... but I am having loads of trouble getting elebbs to log in a user. It is creating new users just
fine so I know I have thing configured semi-correctly... yet when I try
to login with a user name it won't let me.

You said "trouble getting elebbs to log in", but I'll assume you mean EleWeb.

Which web server are you using?
Did you set the environment variable in your web server?
Which version of EleBBS and EleXer are you using?
Which version of EleWeb are you using (stock or coolmax)?
Did you complie your .pas scripts using the latest EleXer from Scott Little? [/quote]


i use one of my gmail addresses for the elebbs mailing list... i rarely use the
gmail web interface as my thunderbird pulls the mail off the gmail servers via pop3... if your ISP has such a problem, then i'd sign up a gmail address in addition to what you already have... however, if you would like an email address that you can use for the elebbs mailing list, contact me via netmail to
this point address... i'm on a dynamic IP and the services i provide to some folks are a hobby for me... they work fine most of the time but i don't shoot for "five nines"... i'm happy with "two nines" ;)

)\/(ark

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* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, mark lewis said:

then sign up with a free service... there are several available... heck, for that matter, sign up with a bbs account ;)

I have an Icloud account... I was running SMTP/POP on my BBS but since
I dropped winserver I no longer have a SMTP/POP solution. If I could
find something that would translate it to the BBS I would do it in a
new york minute. I've yuet to find something to do that for me yet
with the exception of internet rex and I've not been able to get that
to work reliably.

i have maybe 15 or 20 email addresses that i check every day... thunderbird hits them all at once when i tell it to check... many of my email addresses are on my own email server but i've also several gmail, yahoo, and hotmail addresses...

That's too many for me to keep track of... Much rather work on the
KISS (Keep it stupid simple) philosophy. I use icloud because Apple
is very anti big-brother. G-mail and the others if you read their TOS
they store the e-mail indefinately on their systems for marketing
research. I don't trust them.... workign for the government e-mail
and trust is a big thing. (Which is the one issue I have with
Hillary)

sorry but spamcop doesn't eat anything... it is a reporting service only... your provider is filtering based on the results of queries to
the spamcop database... i used spamcop for several years to take back my email acount from the spammers... i used to get over 300 spams a day

It's not the spamcop it's the "brightmail" that they use. If a
mailing list does not conform to the new "spoof" proof mailing list
standards it won't work. I can toatally see why it would reject
because most mailing list software now sends from the list name on
behalf of the user. Previously (and yahoogroups used to work this
way) it would send directly in the user's name and e-mail address.

Now that the mailservers authenticate that the person really sent the
mail I can totally appreciate the rejection of it. In fact many of
the "free" providers... especially Google, Yahoo, AOL or
Outlook.com/hotmail will reject if the mail is not authenticated
properly since they were the ones who developed this standard
collectively.

Allen


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15 Sep 16 21:37, you wrote to me:

then sign up with a free service... there are several available...
heck, for that matter, sign up with a bbs account ;)

I have an Icloud account...

i know... it was evident in the control lines from your mailing list posts... there was also something about a alprunty[dot]com...

I was running SMTP/POP on my BBS but since I dropped winserver I no
longer have a SMTP/POP solution. If I could find something that would translate it to the BBS I would do it in a new york minute. I've yuet
to find something to do that for me yet with the exception of internet
rex and I've not been able to get that to work reliably.

you have to think old school... fidonet has been doing this gating thing since the '80s... FRED was one of those i used way back but then GIGO came out and i switched to it because there was a native OS/2 version... it does email<->netmail fairly well... it has other capabilities, too, but they may require additional software...

i have maybe 15 or 20 email addresses that i check every day...
thunderbird hits them all at once when i tell it to check... many of
my email addresses are on my own email server but i've also several
gmail, yahoo, and hotmail addresses...

That's too many for me to keep track of...

what is there to keep track of?

Much rather work on the KISS (Keep it stupid simple) philosophy.

and get stuck in a rut? ;)

I use icloud because Apple is very anti big-brother. G-mail and the others if you read their TOS they store the e-mail indefinately on
their systems for marketing research. I don't trust them.... workign
for the government e-mail and trust is a big thing. (Which is the one issue I have with Hillary)

good grief... it is only a piddly little mailing list that you're after... not top secret nuclear facility access and launch codes... set up a gmail, yahoo or
hotmail account as AP_elebbs@whatever and get your mailing list support as needed... set up one address for each list or whatever... it isn't hard, it isn't anything extra to keep up with and it really doesn't hurt at all...

on the other hand, though, i might just ask mike about gating it to fidonet... i'm surprised it isn't already but it does have long periods of silence...

sorry but spamcop doesn't eat anything... it is a reporting service
only... your provider is filtering based on the results of queries to
the spamcop database... i used spamcop for several years to take back
my email acount from the spammers... i used to get over 300 spams a
day

It's not the spamcop it's the "brightmail" that they use. If a
mailing list does not conform to the new "spoof" proof mailing list standards it won't work. I can toatally see why it would reject
because most mailing list software now sends from the list name on
behalf of the user. Previously (and yahoogroups used to work this
way) it would send directly in the user's name and e-mail address.

that depends on the settings of the mailing list... you can thank the spammers for all this crap and hardship, though... the easiest solution i see is detailed above with gmail, yahoo, or hotmail... and not to OS bash but i really
really hate seeing my friends struggling and struggling with winwhatever and being unable to do what they want/need when they had it for literally pennies years ago when they were running OS/2... i still run OS/2 and the same software
i was running then... winwhatever is a "has been" here... linux is the new thing and i hate to admit that i am considering moving my entier OS/2 operation
over to linux... hell, linux even comes with its own SMTP servers that can deliver to something like GIGO... expand your horizons and get out of that sticky gooey GUI mess :wink:

Now that the mailservers authenticate that the person really sent the
mail I can totally appreciate the rejection of it. In fact many of
the "free" providers... especially Google, Yahoo, AOL or Outlook.com/hotmail will reject if the mail is not authenticated
properly since they were the ones who developed this standard collectively.

they've added unneeded complexity to a simple problem...

)\/(ark

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* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, mark lewis said:

you have to think old school... fidonet has been doing this gating thing since the '80s... FRED was one of those i used way back but then GIGO
came out and i switched to it because there was a native OS/2 version...

I've ran both GIGO and FRED. I could still use GIGO but I need something that
captures the SMTP inbound and puts it into a file that GIGO can read. Thaat's
the tricky part is getting something to listen on the SMTP port.

good grief... it is only a piddly little mailing list that you're
after... not top secret nuclear facility access and launch codes... set
up a gmail, yahoo or hotmail account as AP_elebbs@whatever and get your mailing list support as needed... set up one address for each list or

No not top secret stuff... but I can see why the new mail servers like
Exchange are doing what they do. Now they are checking all received e-mails
against an embedded SPF "Seed" in the message to verify if you actually sent
it.

What happens with older mailing list servers is that they send the message as
if the user actually sent it which doesn't cut the validation. On the flip
side if I found something that listened to the SMTP I probably wouldn't find
an outbound program that will pass the proper validation going outbound and a
lot of my sent mail will not be delivered either.

Older versions of mailman do not send messages "on behalf" they send as the
user. Believe me when I worked for Charter/Level-3 we actually had this blow
up about 4 years ago when they decided to implement this type of anti-spam.
Now almost every modern mailserver has this kind of checking.

It's a good thing because people would spam the lists very easily by spoofing
a participant's mail address... now it isn't that easy.

Allen


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16 Sep 16 13:01, you wrote to me:

you have to think old school... fidonet has been doing this gating
thing since the '80s... FRED was one of those i used way back but
then GIGO came out and i switched to it because there was a native
OS/2 version...

I've ran both GIGO and FRED. I could still use GIGO but I need
something that captures the SMTP inbound and puts it into a file that
GIGO can read. Thaat's the tricky part is getting something to listen
on the SMTP port.

for GIGO, there's something in the GIGOTCP or TCPGIGO package... its name is something like that... OS/2 native, though, AFAIR... simply puts all the posts into BAG files which GIGO chews on...

good grief... it is only a piddly little mailing list that you're
after... not top secret nuclear facility access and launch codes...
set up a gmail, yahoo or hotmail account as AP_elebbs@whatever and
get your mailing list support as needed... set up one address for
each list or

No not top secret stuff... but I can see why the new mail servers like
Exchange are doing what they do. Now they are checking all received e-mails against an embedded SPF "Seed" in the message to verify if you actually sent it.

not "you" but the server that is connecting... it has to check if the connecting server is really who it says it is...

What happens with older mailing list servers is that they send the
message
as if the user actually sent it which doesn't cut the validation.

i receive mailing lists that operate both ways... on some i get the list mail as if the original user sent it direct and on others it is from the list...

anyway, i gotta let this stack of mail get exported for processing and propogation...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey

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mark lewis wrote to Allen Prunty <=-

i receive mailing lists that operate both ways... on some i get the
list mail as if the original user sent it direct and on others it is
from the list...
anyway, i gotta let this stack of mail get exported for processing and propogation...

Unfortunately, that won't run on a windows system. :-(

Allen


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20 Sep 16 03:47, you wrote to me:

i receive mailing lists that operate both ways... on some i get the
list mail as if the original user sent it direct and on others it is
from the list...

anyway, i gotta let this stack of mail get exported for processing
and propogation...

Unfortunately, that won't run on a windows system. :-(

yet another reason why i'm glad to have NOT jumped on the winwhatever wagon... i truly wish that others had had the same foresight that i had...

)\/(ark

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