• RE: America

    From Earl Croasmun@1:124/311 to All on Fri Nov 5 21:16:20 2010
    On 11/2/2010 10:06 AM, Ross Sauer wrote to TIM RICHARDSON:

    And it was the Teabaggers themselves who used the term until they learned about the sexual term.

    No one believes him, right?

    Wait, it is Sauer. No one EVER believes him.

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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to Earl Croasmun on Sat Nov 6 02:03:39 2010
    "Earl Croasmun -> All" <1:124/311> wrote in
    news:15240$POL_DISORDER@JamNNTPd:

    And it was the Teabaggers themselves who used the term until they
    learned ~> about the sexual term.

    No one believes him, right?

    Wait, it is Sauer. No one EVER believes him.

    Ain't it a bitch when I get it right, and you clowns end up looking like idiots?

    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/teabaggers.jpg

    http://weedoom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/im-teabagging-for-jesus.jpg

    http://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-
    bagger

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  • From Earl Croasmun@1:124/311 to Ross Sauer on Sat Nov 6 11:18:06 2010
    And it was the Teabaggers themselves who used the term until they
    learned ~> about the sexual term.

    No one believes him, right?
    Wait, it is Sauer. No one EVER believes him.

    Ain't it a bitch when I get it right

    Does that ever happen? Even Klahn considers you the weakest possible
    opponent! (But don't believe him. He is weaker and even more transparent,
    as has been demonstrated over the years.)

    In this instance you claim that the people you call "teabaggers" actually
    used the term for THEMSELVES before the derisive connotation became known.
    The links you post didn't prove any such thing. There were two pictures
    and an anonymous article posted at something called "the week."

    None of them indicate that the people in question called themselves "teabaggers" either individually or collectively referring to the "party"
    as such. Did you even READ the article? If you had actually checked
    rather than relying on someone else to do your thinking for you, you would
    have found Rick Santelli using the term "tea party." Organizers of the Feb
    27 event advised among other things "Please bring cameras, especially ones
    with video, American flags, and tea bags if you can find any to swing
    around the air." Not a reference to the people. Not a reference to the party.

    The day of the event, it was derisively referred to this way by a blogger
    (Ann Marie Cox): "Today at High Noon, the disciples of CNBC teevee ranter
    Rick Santelli held teabagging parties around the country." On Feb. 21,
    even before it was held, another blogger referred to it with the headline: "Tea-baggers of the World Unite! " By March 2009 the term had spread to various other blogs such as Firedoglake and the blog at the Village Voice.
    The person who wrote that anonymous article didn't know that. Therefore
    you didn't know it. But now you do.


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  • From Ed Hulett@1:123/789 to Ross Sauer on Sat Nov 6 16:09:55 2010
    On 11/05/2010 11:03 PM, Ross Sauer -> Earl Croasmun wrote:
    "Earl Croasmun -> All" <1:124/311> wrote in news:15240$POL_DISORDER@JamNNTPd:

    And it was the Teabaggers themselves who used the term until they
    learned ~> about the sexual term.

    No one believes him, right?

    Wait, it is Sauer. No one EVER believes him.

    Ain't it a bitch when I get it right, and you clowns end up looking like idiots?

    The only clown looking like an idiot here is you.

    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/teabaggers.jpg

    http://weedoom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/im-teabagging-for-jesus.jpg

    http://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea- bagger

    None of this proves your silly claim that the tea partiers used the term to describe themselves. All you have is a few people involved in the various tea parties using the term, but never to describe themselves.

    Nice try, but you lose again.

    Ed

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ROSS SAUER on Sat Nov 6 12:59:00 2010
    On 11-06-10, ROSS SAUER said to EARL CROASMUN:


    Ain't it a bitch when I get it right, and you clowns end up looking like RS>idiots?


    Ain't it a bitch when you rarely if ever get it right, and you invariably end up looking like an idiot?


    Top Democrats in Denial - Jonah Goldberg - Townhall Conservative

    In 2007, when police busted Rep. Barney Frank's partner for illegally
    growing pot, Frank waved away the controversy by saying he hadn't noticed
    since he's "not a great outdoorsman" and has trouble recognizing any plants.


    Twenty years earlier, Frank endured another controversy when his one-time partner, personal aide and roommate was revealed to be running a prostitution service out of Frank's home. The Massachusetts congressmen insisted he hadn't noticed anything amiss until informed by his landlord.


    And when Frank helped fuel a housing bubble that nearly crippled the economy for a generation, he again failed to notice anything was awry until it was obvious for all to see.


    While lesser men, perhaps those not dubbed the "brainiest" man on Capitol Hill by congressional staffers, might worry about accountability, Frank considers
    it an affront, given his personal and professional record. In short, Frank has a very solid record of obliviousness, denial and entitlement.


    Watch his remarks from election night on YouTube, if you missed the spittle-flecked invective live. It's a rare specimen: an angry victory speech.


    He seems simply aggrieved that he was forced to take a race seriously. Indeed, he was aggrieved that Republicans refused to get off the mat. "The collective campaigns that were run by most Republicans were beneath the dignity of a democracy," he huffed, as if he's a particularly respected arbiter of democratic dignity.


    Frank was hardly alone in the sore-winner caucus. Democratic Rep. Jim Moran of Virginia refused to accept a congratulatory concession call from his opponent.


    Why? One reason might be that Moran, like Frank, believed it was beneath him
    to have to compete for his seat in the people's House. Or perhaps it was
    simply because his opponent, Patrick Murray, wasn't worthy in Moran's eyes.

    After all, Moran had complained that Murray was a "stealth candidate" who hadn't "served or performed in any kind of public service." Apparently rising to the rank of colonel in the U.S. Army and serving in Iraq didn't count as public service.


    To his credit, President Obama eschewed the nasty arrogance of Frank and
    Moran.


    But his denial runs just as deep.


    In a press conference that was humble in tone but myopic in substance, Obama reiterated again and again that he got all of the policies right and the American people who disagreed hadn't studied the issues closely enough. It
    only "felt" like the government was getting too "intrusive," Obama explained.

    Voters had misunderstood the nature of his purely "emergency" measures.


    For all of the talk about how Obama has learned from the election, it's worth remembering this was exactly the same position he held before the election, just in nicer form.


    And just like before the election, Obama's self-exonerating narrative is
    simply wrong. His agenda was never back-burnered for emergency measures. If anything, emergency measures were back-bunered for his agenda. In the summer
    of 2009, he pushed health care reform while his aides swore he'd eventually
    get around to "pivoting" to jobs. Government spending seemed to go up and get more intrusive because it did go up and did get more intrusive. Government spending went up 23 percent in two years.


    And how was intrusive health care reform an "emergency measure" to grapple
    with the financial crisis? It's not slated to go fully into effect until 2014.

    It hasn't had -- and was never intended to have -- anything like an immediate positive effect on the economy. Indeed, the chief argument for it -- which Obama started making years before the financial crisis -- was that it was a moral imperative pushed by progressives for generations. Was Harry Truman seeking universal health care to fix the financial crisis of 2009?


    Republicans -- virtually all of them, not just the 60-plus winners who helped wrest control of the House -- won by running against ObamaCare. But Obama
    says: "We'd be misreading the election if we thought the American people want to see us for the next two years re-litigate arguments we had over the last
    two years."

    Now, I will admit that anticipating voters' desires these days can be tricky.


    But given the last two years, I would sooner trust Barney Frank to spot a pot bush in his backyard, or Jim Moran to identify legitimate public service, than trust Barack Obama to spot the will of the voters.


    Jonah Goldberg


    Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.




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