On 07-16-10, DAVE DRUM said to TIM RICHARDSON:

TIM RICHARDSON wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

Those wishing to remain second-class residents of the country without the DD>perks and privileges (and duties) of being a citizen need not serve but, DD>must take life as it comes to them and have little say in the matter.

Those wanting to have a say need to prove their worthiness by volunteering DD>their service. Else they must siddown, sharrop and hang on to whatever DD>crumbs they can get as a second-class resident.

I find it disgusting that, in a country where there are elaborate ways
to check the ID of someone buying alchohol or tobacco, and there are
stiff penalties for using false ID to purchase either one of those products, something as important as voting to elect local and national figures who will determine our policy and how the public moneys gets
spent, gets a pass.

Which has bugger-all to do with the subject at hand. If you want to bring DD>up one of your off-centre rants kindly do it on your own and not by DD>attempting to piggy-back it on a non-related thread.

I cannot imagine under what logic someone like Al Franken would be left
in office, were it to be shown he was put there by fraudulent voting.

I recall no serious claims or charges that Franken's election was DD>fraudulent. Long winded, dragged out past the point of reasonability by DD>his opponent, yeah. But, I can't recall any responsible charges of voter DD>fraud. Certainly nothing like Mayor Daley (the original) voting the

graveyards. All of which has bugger-all to do with the subject at hand. If DD>you want to bring up one of your off-centre rants kindly do it on your own DD>and not by attempting to piggy-back it on a non-related thread.

Whoops! My bad! For a minute there I got the impression Dave Drum was capable of ordinary conversation, without a lot of childish insults thrown at one.


I was wrong. He isn't capable of much of anything beyond the `buggering' he seems to be enthralled with! I will address no posts to him in the future, and he can bugger himself all he likes with no interference from me.



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While that is true. And while it is a shame that the Dulles
brothers did not have to serve in any front-line capacity
in a mess that they were the proximate cause of it's beside
the point I was making. Which is, I see no earthly reason
that *military* service, whether as a combat troop, a CO
serving as a medic, or someone who is just a REMF, should
be a requirement for citizenship.

Actually, I was not using it as a requirement for citizenship. I
wanted to require it period. If you live in this country you
serve.

SERVICE to the nation is
what I posited as a requirement for citizenship. It might
be military service, or it might be sorting buttons in
Ketchican, AK. But it NEED NOT be "military" service.

I want a Swiss style military reserve. Everyone gets training
and is in the reserves. I am not considering service as a good
experience or a good thing to do, but the necessity of national
defense.

Those wishing to remain second-class residents of the
country without the perks and privileges (and duties) of
being a citizen need not serve but, must take life as it
comes to them and have little say in the matter.

I want everyone prepared to defend this country if necessary. To
share in the defense of the country.

Those wanting to have a say need to prove their worthiness
by volunteering their service. Else they must siddown,
sharrop and hang on to whatever crumbs they can get as a
second-class resident.

Worthiness is not my concern. Defense of the country is my
point. And I want everyone who lives here invested in any war,
even if only on the possibility they may have to go. Or, if they
are citizens, they vote knowing their children may have to go.

We have too many people in this country who look at the all
volunteer army as a mercenary army and don't want to pay for the
care they need when they are hurt or support their families when
they get killed, or provide therapy for PTSD.

I want every singe voter invested, either for themselves or
their family.

And I alway remember, even as powerful as this country is, there
is no guarantee that you won't have to defend it on your own
home town soil. Bermuda may invade us tomorrow.



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Those wanting to have a say need to prove their worthiness by volunteering DD>>their service. Else they must siddown, sharrop and hang on to whatever DD>>crumbs they can get as a second-class resident.

I find it disgusting that, in a country where there are
elaborate ways to check the ID of someone buying alchohol
or tobacco, and there are stiff penalties for using false
ID to purchase either one of those products, something as
important as voting to elect local and national figures who
will determine our policy and how the public moneys gets
spent, gets a pass.

Yet there is a big problem with underage drinking, there is
little problem with illegal voting. The US attorney scandal
under Bush was about some US Attorneys who got reports of voter
fraud, from republican congress critters, and found the reports
were phony. So they got fired for not pulling off a political
witch hunt. Remember, these were republican US attorneys,
political appointees.

I cannot imagine under what logic someone like Al Franken
would be left in office, were it to be shown he was put
there by fraudulent voting.

Good thing the republican opponent only got a small number of
felons to vote for him. Not enough to overcome the honest vote
lead Franken had.

Just as the bank the robber robbed to get the money was
illegally deprived of the funds, the majority of voters in
an election that is won by the opposite side through
fraudulent voting, are deprived of good government.

Yep, just like when Bush was anointed by the Supreme court,
because the recounts were showing Gore won.

And just as the house would be taken away from the bank
robber because it was purchased with stolen money......a
person who won political office by fraudulent votes should
be removed from that office, and the real winner installed.

Which should have happened, and Bush should have been removed
and Gore inaugurated. But that didn't happen, dispite your
constant complaints about the republicans stealing the
Whitehouse.

A far too casual manner of handling voter fraud is in play
in this country.

Yep, and as long as the republicans can keep it that way it will
continue.

And a far too loose a method of voter registration as well.
Registering to vote should have a far stricter criteria
than it does, as well as stricter supervision of the voter
rolls.

Except for the fact that there is very little actual vote fraud
ever shown in this country in recent elections. Ok, there is a
lot of minorities who are legitimate voters kept from voting,
but that's another matter.

"You're going to have to kill some crackers! You're going
to have to kill some of their babies." ......Samir Shabazz

"Go back to Africa"....... Neo-Nazis in Texas.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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Hello Bob!

17 Jul 10 16:26, you wrote to Tim Richardson:

I find it disgusting that, in a country where there are
elaborate ways to check the ID of someone buying alchohol
or tobacco, and there are stiff penalties for using false
ID to purchase either one of those products, something as
important as voting to elect local and national figures who
will determine our policy and how the public moneys gets
spent, gets a pass.

Yet there is a big problem with underage drinking, there is
little problem with illegal voting. The US attorney scandal
under Bush was about some US Attorneys who got reports of voter
fraud, from republican congress critters, and found the reports
were phony. So they got fired for not pulling off a political
witch hunt. Remember, these were republican US attorneys,
political appointees.

No stay on point Bob, dont blame everything on Bush..

You people would blame the event that made the Dinosauers extinct on Bush if you could..

What is wrong with requiring voters to identify themselves when they go to the polls to vote?

A. One has to present ID when stopped by a Police Officer.

B. One has to present ID when applying for fishing and hunting licenses.

C. One has to present ID to buy a firearm.

D. One has to present ID when writing checks to merchants.

E. One has to present ID to open up accounts at financial institutions.

F. One has to present ID when applying for credit to purchase an automobile, Home etc. In fact the purchase of the Automobile itself
requires ID.

As I understand it, the objection to voter ID requirements is that it supposedly puts a burden on the poor or it supposedly targets minorities??? Yet
there is no objection to A-F, granted a poor person is less likely to do some of them in the daily course of their lives.

So what is wrong with requiring ID at the polls, every state issues a acceptable ID card in the absence of a drivers license?

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"Bob Klahn -> Tim Richardson" <1:124/311> wrote in
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Those wanting to have a say need to prove their worthiness by

volunteering DD>>their service. Else they must siddown, sharrop and
hang on to whatever DD>>crumbs they can get as a second-class
resident.

I find it disgusting that, in a country where there are
elaborate ways to check the ID of someone buying alchohol
or tobacco, and there are stiff penalties for using false
ID to purchase either one of those products, something as
important as voting to elect local and national figures who
will determine our policy and how the public moneys gets
spent, gets a pass.

Yet there is a big problem with underage drinking, there is
little problem with illegal voting. The US attorney scandal
under Bush was about some US Attorneys who got reports of voter
fraud, from republican congress critters, and found the reports
were phony. So they got fired for not pulling off a political
witch hunt. Remember, these were republican US attorneys,
political appointees.

A few years ago, my state senator, (republican, naturally,) made a HUGE
stink about voter fraud.

He found...ready for this?
3 illegal votes. That's all.

Now where's all the GOP whining and complaining about what really does
look like voter fraud, namely those easily hackable computerized voting machines that have no paper verification?

This whole thing about "Felons shouldn't vote" began in the deep south,
BTW.

It was just another method to keep minorities from voting, and that's in addition to caging, "poll taxes," and "literacy tests."

"You're going to have to kill some crackers! You're going
to have to kill some of their babies." ......Samir Shabazz

"Go back to Africa"....... Neo-Nazis in Texas.

"Go back to Kenya" -Teabaggers in just about any protest
(That's in addition to the picture of Obama as an African witch doctor)

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