• Death Rates

    From Dave Drum@1:124/311 to Bob Klahn on Sat Jun 26 07:23:00 2010
    bob klahn wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine,
    which I quote:

    "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000
    troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22
    months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm
    death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

    The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per
    100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25
    per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US
    capital which has some of the strictest gun control laws in
    the US than you are in Iraq."

    CONCLUSION: The US should pull out of Washington.

    My conclusion.

    All the residents of DC should have jobs.

    All the residents of DC should have military training. And serve
    in the National Guard.

    The Swiss system.

    The first part of the answer is the hard part.

    But, not the second. I have stated before (not in this particular forum) in FIDO discussions that a term of National service should be a pre-requisite for voting privileges. If you didn't serve you don't get to help choose the leaders/policies/etc.

    It would be no guarantee that the electorate would be any more informed or better able to make wise choices. But, it would insure, at the very least, that the voters had actually invested *some* effort in supporting the system in which they are participating.

    That, coupled with a two term limit for *ALL* elective offices would help ensure that this noble experiment in which we are enmeshed will continue ... at least long enough for our descendants to pay off the huge bills the Bushies and the Obamites have run up.

    ENJOY!!!

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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Dave Drum on Sat Jun 26 06:21:06 2010
    Replying to a message of Dave Drum to All:

    An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine, which I
    quote:

    "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in
    the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total
    of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

    The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the
    same period. That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be
    shot and killed in the US capital which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US than you are in Iraq."

    CONCLUSION: The US should pull out of Washington.

    Actually, Washington should pull out of the US.

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  • From Bob Klahn@1:124/311 to Dave Drum on Sat Jun 26 14:43:00 2010

    An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine,
    which I quote:

    "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000
    troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22
    months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm
    death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

    The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per
    100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25
    per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US
    capital which has some of the strictest gun control laws in
    the US than you are in Iraq."

    CONCLUSION: The US should pull out of Washington.

    My conclusion.

    All the residents of DC should have jobs.

    All the residents of DC should have military training. And serve
    in the National Guard.

    The Swiss system.

    The first part of the answer is the hard part.

    But, not the second. I have stated before (not in this
    particular forum) in FIDO discussions that a term of
    National service should be a pre-requisite for voting
    privileges. If you didn't serve you don't get to help
    choose the leaders/policies/etc.

    I want it to be military service. A "term of service" leaves too
    may opening for unreal service. The need to be willing to put
    themselves on the line.

    Even concientious objectors can serve.

    And it should not be a pre-requisite for voting, but simpley
    required.

    It would be no guarantee that the electorate would be any
    more informed or better able to make wise choices. But, it
    would insure, at the very least, that the voters had
    actually invested *some* effort in supporting the system in
    which they are participating.

    Yep. And be prepared and trained should it be necessary in the
    future.

    That, coupled with a two term limit for *ALL* elective
    offices would help ensure that this noble experiment in
    which we are enmeshed will continue ... at least long

    The two term limit sounds good, and I used to favor term limits.
    Though I favored a time limit, not a term limit. Twelve years
    for congress, six for president and VP.

    After I saw the disaster term limits caused in Michigan I got to
    doubting the principle. As the Toledo Blade's ombudsman, who is
    in Michigan and a prof at a journalism school there, as well as
    a long time journalist wrote, when the Michigan budget was
    practically impossible to balance there was not one single
    member of the legislature who had been there just 6 years before
    when a lot of those programs and tax cuts had been voted in.

    Nobody was responsible for the looming disaster. Nobody was
    facing responsibility for fixing anything they passed in that
    legislature.

    enough for our descendants to pay off the huge bills the
    Bushies and the Obamites have run up.

    If Obama does not run up that debt our decendants will likely
    inherit a country without an economy to speak of. A country in
    economic collapse.

    After WWII the national debt was 122% of GDP. On the level of
    Greece today. Yet we managed to pay it down to 32% of GDP by
    1980. Through war and peace, republican and democrate, liberal
    and conservative, prosperity and recession, the debt load went
    down.

    Oh, and don't just blame GW Bush and Obama, blame the real
    culprits, Ronald Reagan and GHW Bush. Reagan trippled the debt
    and Bush I turned that into a quadruple debt over their 12
    years.

    I had thought GHW Bush was not so bad, but recently, when
    researching it, I discovered he was much worse than I thought.

    Under Reagan and Bush I the debtload went from 32% GDP to
    66% GDP.

    Under Clinton it went down to 57% GDP. Under Bush II it went to
    near 90% GDP. Under Obama it's not projected to go much above
    that. However, retreating from a growth policy could result in
    another recession. That would almost certainly mean another
    spurt in debt growth.

    If we tip over into depression the economy will contract
    significantly. A 30% contraction in GDP would mean the debt load
    would instantly jump to 128% of GDP. A 50% contraction would
    jump the debt to 180% of GDP. I doubt any country has ever
    survived a debt load like that.

    And we can't even start a war to get us out of it.



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  • From Richard Webb@1:116/901 to Dave Drum on Sat Jun 26 18:33:06 2010
    HI Dave,

    On Sat 2038-Jun-26 07:23, Dave Drum (1:124/311) wrote to Bob Klahn:

    I have stated before (not in this particular
    forum) in FIDO discussions that a term of National service should be
    a pre-requisite for voting privileges. If you didn't serve you don't
    get to help choose the leaders/policies/etc.

    I would agree with that, so long as they couldn't refuse
    somebody like me. Why should i be denied my right to vote
    because they wouldn't accept me for service? Universal
    service should be required. YEs the blind man can be a
    radio op, computer programmer, machinist or cook. SAme with the fellow in the wheelchair. I've stated much the same
    however, with those caveats.

    Regards,
    Richard
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