Richard Webb wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

HI Dave,

I was a registered lobbyist in Illinois, working to repeal Illinois' helmet law back in the 1960s. On the day the legislature was
scheduled to vote to repeal (we had the votes lined up) the Illinois Supreme Court struck down the legislation ... rendering our efforts
moot. Ever want to cheer and cuss at the same time???

Yep, seen that one <g>. What part of ILlinois you from
DAve?

Springfield, the state capitol. Right in the shadow of the steal mill.

SNIPPETY ----------

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Indeed, the way I"ve always thought of it, but my dad was
far from a libertarian. Dad is of the belief that sometimes you have
to protect man from himself, by legislation if
that's the only way. I figure that if a man needs regs and
legislation to protect him from himself, then, maybe he
needs to be left free running, HE'l take care of the
problem, hopefully before he contributes to the gene pool.

Darwin was right, you know? If left to itself stupidity is a self correcting problem.
Bv)=

Ah, but here's the deal. You're a realist. And the legislators
listen to the weeping "save us from ourselves" twats who promote
such. And to the loverly $$$ spread around by insurance companies to promote MANDATORY safety regulations in individual matters of choice
- in order to increase their bottom line (already obscene) profits.
So, we're going to get mandated safety laws aimed at the individual.

Agreed, and the way it always is. Dad and I have some of
our most vocal disagreements on this point. Dad's argument
is that you can't expect everyone to be smart enough to know how/when
to protect himself, so at times you've just got to
tell him. THe other day we were talking about the work
rules my lady and I have promulgated for our business, and
many which have to do with job site safety, i.e. wear the
hard hat when people are working overhead, etc. HE did the
"see, I told ya" bit. But, the employee has an option, use
the safety equipment, or look elsewhere for employment.

Eggs Ackley! I have a sunset gig driving a delivery van for Auto Zone (to eke out me pittance from Social Security) which is really a gravy job. Lots of windshield time, listen to my favourite music on the radio and no one in my face unless I choose to let them be. I follow their rules ... well, except going through drive-throughs for a soft drink or snack. But, I wear my seat belt religiously and never, ever speed (I'm paid hourly). That isn't always the way I work it in my own car. Bv)=

wHen we managed apartment compelxes for the better part of
five years we were totally injury free, as in nothing that
required more than maybe a band aid from the first aid kit.
wHen I managed commercial kitchen and restaurant facilities
I was proud of an injury free workplace record, and intended to keep
that string unbroken. THe first lecture a new hire
got from me was on workplace safety.

It's a matter of business viability. If you have a good safety record as an employer your liability and worker's comp rates should reflect that. Auto Zone is so big as to be self-insured. And they certainly don't want to be paying out big and avoidable worker's comp claims.

But, in the end it comes down to the gummint not having a proper place in protecting supposedly responsible adults from their own stupidity.

ENJOY!!!

From Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen
Home of YAHOOOOAHHHH Hot Sauce & Hardin Cider



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HI Dave,

On Sat 2038-Apr-10 06:45, DAVE DRUM (1:261/1381) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

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Yep, seen that one <g>. What part of ILlinois you from
DAve?

Springfield, the state capitol. Right in the shadow of the steal
mill.

I grew up in Burlington, Iowa, stomped around western
ILlinois quite a bit, grandparents were from Henderson
county.

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rules my lady and I have promulgated for our business, and
many which have to do with job site safety, i.e. wear the
hard hat when people are working overhead, etc. HE did the
"see, I told ya" bit. But, the employee has an option, use
the safety equipment, or look elsewhere for employment.

Eggs Ackley! I have a sunset gig driving a delivery van for Auto
Zone (to eke out me pittance from Social Security) which is really a
gravy job. Lots of windshield time, listen to my favourite music on
the radio and no one in my face unless I choose to let them be. I
follow their rules ... well, except going through drive-throughs for
a soft drink or snack. But, I wear my seat belt religiously and
never, ever speed (I'm paid hourly). That isn't always the way I
work it in my own car. Bv)=

Can understand that. Kathy and I are very safety conscious, even with our own vehicle, etc. WE believe that the best
way to deal with the insurance companies is to never have to file a claim.

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wHen I managed commercial kitchen and restaurant facilities
I was proud of an injury free workplace record, and intended to keep
that string unbroken. THe first lecture a new hire
got from me was on workplace safety.

It's a matter of business viability. If you have a good safety
record as an employer your liability and worker's comp rates should
reflect that. Auto Zone is so big as to be self-insured. And they
certainly don't want to be paying out big and avoidable worker's
comp claims.

YEp, and we're a very small business, barely getting by. I
can't afford the grief, and the safety rules are essentially written in stone, and I tell hires that. Most of our hires
are by the job, a day at a time, and I let them know
straight out that we provide safety equipment, and they
*will* use it, no questions asked, no excuses.

But, in the end it comes down to the gummint not having a proper
place in protecting supposedly responsible adults from their own
stupidity.

Agree, and have always felt that way. IF you have to
protect a person from himself then you've already got a
problem. wHEn helpers come to help me with ham radio
antenna work, they're volunteers. If you climb my tower,
you'll use your climbing belt or mine, doesn't matter, but
you'll use one. IF you use yours, I insist that I watch you climb up a few rungs, belt off to the tower then kick your
feet off the tower and see if the belt holds you. IF it
does, climb away. IF not, you won't fall far enough, or
hard enough to really injure yourself.

Regards,
Richard
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