• Georgia legislature

    From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to DAVE DRUM on Sat May 1 04:40:46 2010
    Replying to a message of DAVE DRUM to ROSS CASSELL:

    So let the illegals come in and siphon away funds from
    social programs meant for legal citizens, such as you?

    Nope ... you're attacking the wrong end of the problem.

    Don't just give a smack of a hand, SEVERELY PUNISH any
    greedy bastard who provides sub-wage jobs that an American
    wouldn't consider but that attracts illegal immigration.

    Note that if all the illegals working in the meatpacking business were
    deported tomorrow, by the end of the week meat would be so expensive
    (and unavailable) most people couldn't afford it. I remember thinking hamburger was overpriced at $0.55/pound, it's over $2/pound now.

    Fault the American consumer that refuses to pay the prices required to support "good jobs at good wages" in this country.

    Then do something to help improve the conditions of Mexico
    so people would do what they would rather do and that's
    stay home with their families. Do you really think they
    want to struggle trying to cross the border?

    Since the problem has been going on for well over half a century, yes.

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  • From WAYNE CHIRNSIDE@1:123/140 to ROSS SAUER on Sat May 1 10:37:00 2010
    ROSS SAUER wrote to ROSS CASSELL <=-

    "Ross Cassell -> Ross Sauer" <1:123/456> wrote in news:30130$POL_INC@JamNNTPd:

    The only reason why you are against this whole thing is because the hispanics represent yet another potential captive voting bloc for your fuckwad democrats.

    Yet more right-wing crapola.

    The Arizona law is racial profiling. No ifs, ands or buts.

    First they came for the Latinos and I did nothing then they came for...


    Famous quote by a clergyman of the WWII Germany era.

    Well with the substitution of Latinos for the actual quote.

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  • From Bob Klahn@1:124/311 to Tim Richardson on Sat May 8 16:18:00 2010

    You really have to pay better attention...

    Sauer was bemoaning the fact that a Georgia state legislator was
    proposing legislation to outlaw implanting people with them chips.

    It was the reason given for this law.

    Namely that chipping is part of some "endtimes antichrist conspiracy."

    You know........you are a real prize! You will seek out
    some thin-as-a-wisp situation to slam Christianity.....yet

    Uh... chipping *IS* part of the endtimes conspiracy theory.

    And a law based on such conspiracy theory is a bit whackjob.

    some raghead imam pops out there with some horseshit about
    promiscuous sex stimulation being the cause of earthquakes
    and other catastrophic disasters, and you say not a word!

    Maybe because it's not something some lawmaker in this country
    is trying to pass a law about?

    Maybe because it is liberals who are fighting that, not
    conservatives?

    Maybe because a women's group is talking about fighting that by
    wearing even more sexy clothes to test the theory? And that
    doesn't sound all bad?

    So then........this ought to go right over your head:

    Whose country is this?

    Pat Buchanan

    So, you pull in a prominent racist to back up your claims?

    Posted: April 26, 2010
    8:51 pm Eastern

    2010
    With the support of 70 percent of its citizens, Arizona has
    ordered sheriffs and police to secure the border and remove
    illegal aliens, half a million of whom now reside there.

    Yep. Something I have long expressed support for. Note, not
    necessarily the way they are doing it, but the goal.

    Arizona acted because the U.S. government has abdicated its
    constitutional duty to protect the states from invasion and
    refuses to enforce America's immigration laws.

    Yep, another point I agree on.

    "We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for
    Washington to act," said Gov. Jan Brewer. "But decades of
    inaction and misguided policy have created an unacceptable
    situation."

    True.

    We have a crisis in Arizona because we have a failed state
    in Washington.

    True. If Bush had acted Obama would have inherited a fait
    accomplis, and one that would have worked so it would be
    difficult to reverse. And the current economic crisis might have
    been much mitigated.

    What is the response of Barack Obama, who took an oath to
    see to it that federal laws are faithfully executed?

    He is siding with the law-breakers. He is pandering to the
    ethnic lobbies.

    Not true. Actually, blatantly not true. I don't agree with Obama
    on this, but Buchanan's claims are BS.

    He is not berating a Mexican regime that aids and abets
    this invasion of the country of which he is commander in
    chief. Instead, he attacks the government of Arizona for
    trying to fill a gaping hole in law enforcement left by his
    own dereliction of duty.

    Notice he doesn't blame any of Obama's predecessors, going back
    to Reagan's amnesty for illegals.

    He has denounced Arizona as "misguided." He has called on
    the Justice Department to ensure that Arizona's sheriffs
    and police do not violate anyone's civil rights. But he has

    And that is perfectly reasonable.

    said nothing about the rights of the people of Arizona who
    must deal with the costs of having hundreds of thousands of
    lawbreakers in their midst.

    We have millions of lawbreakers taking jobs from Americans in
    this country, but I don't see business owners taking the lead to
    expel them.

    How's that for Andrew Jackson-style leadership?

    Where is the leadership on any side?

    ...

    Obama has done everything but his duty to enforce the law.

    Where were you, and Buchanan, when Bush was doing the same?

    Buchanan gets some things right, but he still isn't putting the
    blame where it belongs, on the businesses that hire illegals,
    and the conservatives who defend them.

    ...

    The state has a fiscal crisis caused in part by the burden
    of providing schooling and social welfare for illegals and
    their families, who consume far more in services than they
    pay in taxes and who continue to pour in. Even John McCain
    is now calling for 3,000 troops on the border.

    Where was McCain when Bush was failing?

    As to whether they consume more than they produce, that's
    arguable. What is relevant is that they take jobs from
    Americans, and pull down wages for far more Americans.

    Police officers and a prominent rancher have been murdered.
    There have been kidnappings believed to be tied to the
    Mexican drug cartels. There are nightly high-speed chases
    through the barrios where innocent people are constantly at
    risk.

    That is within the authority of the state LEOs without this new
    law.

    If Arizona does not get control of the border and stop the
    invasion, U.S. citizens will stop coming to Arizona and
    will begin to depart, as they are already fleeing
    California.

    I don't know if that is a valid legal point, but I agree with
    it.

    What we are talking about here is the Balkanization and
    breakup of a nation into ethnic enclaves. A country that
    cannot control its borders isn't really a country anymore,

    I agree.

    Ronald Reagan reminded us.

    Yet Reagan signed the first amnesty.

    ...

    Arizona has been compelled to assume the feds' role because
    the feds won't do their job. And for that dereliction of
    duty the buck stops on the desk of the president of the
    United States.

    It did under Bush, but I didn't smell the smoke from the
    burning effigies then.

    Why is Obama paralyzed? Why does he not enforce the law,
    even if he dislikes it, by punishing the businessmen who
    hire illegals and by sending the 12 million to 20 million
    illegals back home? President Eisenhower did it. Why won't
    he?

    Because Bush left him with a country where our military is
    overcommitted overseas, the very thought of increasing prices in
    the middle of a near depression is anathema, and business
    interests are too deeply into illegal immigration.

    Because he is politically correct. Because he owes a big
    debt to the Hispanic lobby that helped deliver two-thirds
    of that vote in 2008.

    If the European American vote was not so divided by the hate speech
    of the right Obama would have had such a large Euro vote the
    Hispanic vote would have meant nothing. If the right was not
    spewing so much venom the Hispanic vote would be of little
    importance now.

    And the Hispanic lobby is divided, with most Hispanic Americans
    against illegal immigration by every poll I've read.

    That's not political correctness, that's being against the wall.

    Though most citizens of Hispanic descent in Arizona want
    the border protected and the laws enforced, the Hispanic
    lobby demands that the law be changed.

    The Hispanic lobby he speaks of is irrelevant. Obama could shut
    off the border and still win the Hispanic vote. He just can't do
    it if the bigots are writing the laws.

    Fair enough. But the nation rose up as one to reject the "path-to-citizenship" (i.e., amnesty) that the 2007 plan of
    George W. Bush, McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
    envisioned.

    Note: GWB. Yet the right is still trying to rehab him.

    Al Sharpton threatens to go to Phoenix and march in the
    streets against the new Arizona law. Let him go.

    Yep, let him go.

    Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen
    out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might
    otherwise go to them or their children, will march to
    defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the
    heaviest price.

    On that he is most certainly right. Now, the question is, how
    many blacks are not finding jobs because of the fear Buchanan
    helped spread? That is why I call him a racist.

    Last year, while Americans were losing a net of 5 million
    jobs, the U.S. government (Bush and Obama both) issued
    1,131,000 green cards to legal immigrants to come and take
    the jobs that did open up, a flood of immigrants equaled in
    only four other years in our history.

    Another point on which I agree with him.

    What are we doing to our own people?

    Screwing them. Or, rather, ourselves.

    Whose country is this, anyway?

    Businesses. It is business that wants those illegals. Make no
    mistake, the Hispanic Lobby would have zero influence if they
    didn't have business interests behind them.

    America today has an establishment that, because it does
    not like the immigration laws, countenances and condones
    wholesale violation of those laws.

    A business establishment. And it's not that they don't like the
    laws, but that violating those laws is more profitable than
    adhering to them.

    Nevertheless, under those laws, the U.S. government is
    obligated to deport illegal aliens and punish businesses
    that knowingly hire them.

    And when I see the right rise up to denounce GWB for not doing
    that I'll take them seriously.

    This is not an option. It is an obligation.

    I agree. Where were you in denouncing Bush?

    Can anyone say Barack Obama is meeting that obligation?

    Can anyone say Bush met that obligation? Bush II or Bush I? Or
    Reagan?

    I am as much against Obama failing to meet his obligation as
    Buchanan is, but I consider the hypicrosy of the right in not
    demanding Bush do it just as offensive.

    Don't crucify Obama if you don't nail Bush to the next cross.



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  • From Bob Klahn@1:124/311 to Ed Hulett on Sat May 8 21:41:00 2010

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    JAIL those habitually hiring illegals.

    The Nebraska meat producers' lobby had the ICE lay off their shops, since
    too many of their employees were getting busted for being illegal.

    Where's the president on this? How about Congress?

    Where was Bush and the republican congress? Same place.

    More fun for reactionary politicians like the Arizona racist pig of a
    congresscritter to create do-nothing "show us your papers" law.

    You have no earthly clue what is in the Arizona law. It
    does NOTHING beyond enforcing federal law. The LEO has to
    already have the person detained for other reasons. Legal

    Not originally. It was amended that way.

    immigrants already are required by federal law to carry
    their green cards at all times. If the person is legal,
    they go free unless they have violated some other law.

    But US citizens are not required to carry any ID. Not even if
    they are Hispanic.

    If you step outside your door without identification, you are
    undocumented.

    No one goes to your left-wing bomb throwing websites.

    At least someone did.



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  • From Bob Klahn@1:124/311 to Bob Ackley on Sat May 8 21:41:00 2010
    Replying to a message of Ross Sauer to Ross Cassell:

    More fun for reactionary politicians like the Arizona racist
    pig of a congresscritter to create do-nothing "show us your
    papers" law.

    Tell us, Ross, do YOU carry proof of your legal residence
    in this country with you all the time? Note that a

    I do. However, just my luck I'll be in Arizona on a business
    trip, run down to the motel office to get the free continental
    breakfast, and forget to take my wallet.

    driver's license is *NOT* such proof; a birth certificate
    is - if you can PROVE it is YOUR birth certificate, the
    fact that you happen to be carrying it does not mean it is
    yours.

    Did you have a point?

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  • From Bob Klahn@1:124/311 to Tim Richardson on Sat May 8 21:41:00 2010


    Illegal aliens is not about race. Its about who's country this is.

    Ask any Native American about illegal immigrants.

    First of all......*you* popped off with the `racist'
    crapola in regard to illegal aliens overrunning the
    country. So...that raises a question:

    He did have a point about the Indians.

    Since when is defying the US immigration laws protected
    behavior under the `race' card?

    It's not the illegals, but the Hispanic Americans who might be
    hasseled.

    Secondly......I don't know where you've been for a few
    years, now, but this isn't the 17 and 18 hundreds, anymore.
    This is the 21st century. And by the way.....what with all
    the Indian reservation casinos, golf courses, and resort
    hotels, raking in scads of dough for the various
    tribes....I don't think they're complaining.

    Oh yeah... you really know your Indians.

    Indians today are still the poorest people in this country.
    Those casinos don't pay off for very many, even among the
    Indians.

    Incidently.....if *you* feel so guilty about the European
    immigrants taking this country from the aborigine people

    If you don't feel guilty about your ancestors taking this
    country from the original inhabitants, and leaving their
    decendants living in poverty, then either your ancestors didn't
    arrive very long ago, or you won't accept your share of
    responsibility.

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  • From Bob Klahn@1:124/311 to Ross Cassell on Sat May 8 21:41:00 2010

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    The only reason why you are against this whole thing is
    because the hispanics represent yet another potential
    captive voting bloc for your fuckwad democrats.

    Why did Reagan sign the first amnesty?

    Why did Bush II support the second?

    Why didn't the republicans not act to stop illegal immigration
    when they had the chance?

    It's about money, not votes.



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  • From Tim Richardson@1:124/311 to Bob Klahn on Sat May 22 06:04:00 2010
    On 05-08-10, bob klahn said to tim richardson:


    ...

    She is eligible for welfare, food stamps, medical services
    and housing for her baby, *supposedly* a U.S. citizen. But
    she's deported back to Mexico. So her welfare check and
    food stamps are mailed to her in Mexico.



    They do? Now that one I never heard of.



    It happens. Or at least it did. There was a big brohaha over it some time
    back. It was a large part of what proposition 187 was all about.


    Another thing they were doing was sending county school buses to the border to pick up Mexican kids, bus them to US schools, and take them back in the afternoon. *We* were paying for all this, and the Mexican parents were paying nothing! And the goddamn school district was participating in this blatant defiance of the taxpayer because of *federal funds*. The more `heads' they had in classrooms, the more *federal funds* they got! *Federal funds* were tied to attendance rolls!


    We don't *owe* Mexico anything. *We* created this country, and if Mexicans
    want what we have here, let them have the guts to stand up and fight for it in their own nation.


    Mexico is still mainly in the hands of the big land owners, the money-movers, and the drug lords.


    There are places in Mexico where people live in such poverty as to make our worst ghetto look like paradise by comparision.


    But if they don't have the guts to take their country away from the crooks and overlords who have control of it, and make it better for themselves and their children, that isn't America's problem. And we shouldn't be punished for
    their lack of courage.

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