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    From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Sat May 1 04:35:04 2010
    Replying to a message of WAYNE CHIRNSIDE to ALL:

    Disagree with the Citizens United ruling handed down by the
    Supreme court allowing unlimited political campaign
    donations by corporations subverting your rights as a U.S.
    citizen?

    Here's your chance to stand up for your rights for a
    Representative democratically elected Congress rather than
    a Congress controlled by the special interests of large
    corporations.

    Where the h*ll have you been for the past half century or longer? The
    congress has been owned and operated by various special interests for
    at least that long. The decision merely gives businesses a foot in that
    door.

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  • From DAVE DRUM@1:261/1381 to EARL CROASMUN on Sat May 1 06:31:00 2010
    Earl Croasmun wrote to Wayne Chirnside <=-

    Disagree with the Citizens United ruling handed down by the Supreme court allowing unlimited political campaign donations by corporations
    subverting your rights as a U.S. citizen?

    The first amendment to the United States Constitution agrees with the decision in Citizens United. You posted a site for those who do not
    like free speech. How about one for those who DO like free speech?

    How about understanding that a "corporate person" is a legal fiction limiting liability of the actual persons involved in that corporation. That however is not guaranteed ... as has been learned by several "robber barons" who went bust or ripped off their patrons.

    A corporate person is not the same as a human person as addressed in "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    And thus should not be guaranteed the protections granted to individual human citizens ... especially since a corporation cannot be a citizen, is not eligible to vote (altho with the recent mis-guided decision of the supremes it may be able to buy votes), and cannot be elected to office.

    ENJOY!!!

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  • From WAYNE CHIRNSIDE@1:123/140 to BOB ACKLEY on Sat May 1 10:20:00 2010
    BOB ACKLEY wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

    Replying to a message of WAYNE CHIRNSIDE to ALL:

    Disagree with the Citizens United ruling handed down by the
    Supreme court allowing unlimited political campaign
    donations by corporations subverting your rights as a U.S.
    citizen?

    Here's your chance to stand up for your rights for a
    Representative democratically elected Congress rather than
    a Congress controlled by the special interests of large
    corporations.

    Where the h*ll have you been for the past half century or longer? The congress has been owned and operated by various special interests for
    at least that long. The decision merely gives businesses a foot in
    that door.

    Been right here.

    I'm well aware of what you say and AGREE with it however
    it's just been made legal to make those "donations"
    AKA bribes UNLIMITED.

    See, as I said before, we're not far apart at all on most issues
    and most often in complete agreement.

    Universal health care excepted.

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  • From Earl Croasmun@1:124/311 to Dave Drum on Sat May 1 11:48:02 2010
    The first amendment to the United States Constitution agrees with the decision in Citizens United. You posted a site for those who do not like free speech. How about one for those who DO like free speech?

    How about understanding that a "corporate person" is a legal fiction
    limiting
    liability of the actual persons involved in that corporation.

    Completely false, since the limitation of legal liability of shareholders
    far, far predates the Supreme Court cases on personhood, and has NOTHING TO
    DO with those cases.

    But also completely irrelevant, since the Citizens United case had nothing
    to do with liability of corporations. It was about free speech.



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  • From Steve Kemp@1:123/789 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat May 8 04:17:49 2010

    According to `The Center for Responsive Politics', and an analysis published
    by `Politico', B. Hussein Obama was the biggest recipient of BP political action committee donations in the last 20 years

    Many, if not most, Democrats take money from whomever offers it.
    Why not! We are better for the people!

    It's the votes you have to look at.

    And it's the Repubs that vote in lock step for the Corporations.
    (meaning that they are bought, lock stock and barrel)

    The Democrats have SOME fug-heads, is all.
    We don't insist upon Nazi lock step.

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