• Political Parties

    From Steve Kemp@1:123/789 to Bob Klahn on Sat May 8 04:19:42 2010

    Only mixed economies provide a decent life.

    Lets' get simple and true!

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  • From Steve Kemp@1:123/789 to Ross Cassell on Sat May 8 04:31:07 2010

    Ignorance my foot, you people are striving real hard to make govt as engrained in our lives as close relatives would be.


    ZACTLYS!

    The Right CLINGS TO that 2nd Ammendment but ABHORS that 5th Amendment!

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  • From Steve Kemp@1:123/789 to Ross Cassell on Sat May 8 04:33:51 2010

    The Nazi's committed great attrocities, while communists dont
    have a golden track record, they havent come close to the scale
    the Nazi's partook in...

    Really? 20+ million starved to death in the USSR and uncountable
    millions killed in China during the Mao's reign and millions killed in
    the killing fields of Cambodia. Communists were/are just as ruthless
    as the Nazis ever dreamed of being.

    But still trumped by the position Nazi's took in world history.

    In history, sure.

    Millions are dying in Africa TODAY! No history.

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  • From Steve Kemp@1:123/789 to Ed Hulett on Sat May 8 04:37:01 2010

    The Nazi's committed great attrocities, while communists dont
    have a golden track record, they havent come close to the scale
    the Nazi's partook in...

    Really? 20+ million starved to death in the USSR and uncountable
    millions killed in China during the Mao's reign and millions killed in
    the killing fields of Cambodia. Communists were/are just as ruthless
    as the Nazis ever dreamed of being.

    But still trumped by the position Nazi's took in world history.

    Evil is evil, Ross, the Nazis were evil, but so were/are the communists WRT how they treat their own people. True, the Nazis tried to obliterate an entire group of people along with a few others, but they were only successful in killing 6 million Jews. As bad as that is, it does not
    trump the evils visited on innocent citizens of the communist regimes.

    True Communism was coopted.
    It needs benevolence. Thus it is impractical. We have to evolve.

    Facsism is planned though! Thus more evil. ;)

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  • From Steve Kemp@1:123/789 to Ed Hulett on Sat May 8 04:41:56 2010

    Calling someone a Nazi is also an admission of defeat and is meant to
    end the debate.

    That must be why Rush, Beck, and the rest of the right-wing noise
    machine do it so often.

    Good point!

    If only you knew what you were talking about. All you have is nonsense
    fed you by your usual left-wing bomb throwing websites.

    What?

    Hey, why can't you just respond to a friggin' honest point?

    Don't you see how you just diminished the thread?

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  • From Steve Kemp@1:123/789 to Ross Sauer on Sat May 8 04:44:11 2010

    There were two main differences, between the Nazis, and the Communists.

    Communists did their slaughters in a haphazard fashion, even the "gulag" program was more for slave labor than actual "industrialized" slaughter. Thus, the numbers were proportionally smaller for the amounts of time communists had their programs running.

    Nazis created an entire bureaucracy, devoted to annihilating whole groups of people.
    Given more time like the communists had, the Nazis would have killed far more than the communists could.


    I'd have to disagree.

    Extreme Right and Extreme Left meets in the inverse middle.

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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Ross Cassell on Fri May 7 07:13:50 2010
    Replying to a message of Ross Cassell to Bob Klahn:

    The Nazi's committed great attrocities, while communists
    dont have a golden track record, they havent come close to
    the scale the Nazi's partook in...

    You haven't been paying attention, then. Compared to Stalin and Mao,
    Hitler was a piker. Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler did, and Mao killed over thirty million Chinese in his 1960s era 'Cultural Revolution.' While Pol Pot only managed to kill about two million Cambodians, he was
    working with a MUCH smaller population base and thus killed proportionately more people than did Hitler.

    Perhaps the salient difference is that all three communist societies were (and are)
    closed, and the press is controlled. Note also that the Nazis kept detailed records
    of what they were doing (and, since they lost the war, could not keep those records
    secret); Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot did not.

    AFAIK the Soviets are still claiming that they did not shoot down the entire officer corps of the Polish Army, including teenaged officer cadets, at Katyn Forest in 1939, despite considerable forensic evidence that they did.

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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Ed Hulett on Fri May 7 07:07:26 2010
    Replying to a message of Ed Hulett to Ross Sauer:

    Given more time like the communists had, the Nazis would
    have killed far more than the communists could.

    "More time?" The Nazis had from 1939 to 1945. The USSR
    starved 20+ million in one year. Mao killed off uncounted
    millions in less time than that. Pol Pot killed millions in
    just days.

    You might want to look at R J Rummel's book "Death by Government,"
    published, IIRC, in 1977. It lists totals....

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to BOB ACKLEY on Sat May 8 07:00:00 2010
    On 05-07-10, BOB ACKLEY said to ROSS CASSELL:

    Replying to a message of Ross Cassell to Bob Klahn:

    The Nazi's committed great attrocities, while communists
    dont have a golden track record, they havent come close to
    the scale the Nazi's partook in...

    You haven't been paying attention, then. Compared to Stalin and Mao, BA>Hitler was a piker. Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler did,


    In the early 1930's, Stalin had killed over 7 million Ukrainians through famine. And that was before Hitler had even been appointed German Chancelor, and was running Germany.


    Which means that Stalin murdered more Ukrainians than the Nazis ultimately murdered Jews, and did it prior to there even being a single Nazi
    concentration camp!


    An important role in the slaughter of Ukrainians, was taken by a man who would one day remove his shoe and pound it on the table during a session of the United Nations; Nikita Kruschev. Kruschev went to the area and supervised much of the slaughter.


    Prior to the Nazis beginning their `final solution' and implementing a systematic method of killing, Stalin had already caused the murders of around 30 million people in purges, starvation, `collectivization', `centralization', etc etc.





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  • From Richard Webb@1:116/901 to Steve Kemp on Sat May 8 14:13:11 2010
    HEllo Steve,

    On Sat 2038-May-08 04:44, Steve Kemp (1:123/789) wrote to Ross Sauer:

    There were two main differences, between the Nazis, and the Communists.

    <snip>

    I'd have to disagree.

    Extreme Right and Extreme Left meets in the inverse middle.

    INdeed, which is why these absolutists scare the bejesus out of this old man. despotism is still despotism, no matter
    what sort of pretty words it uses to describe itself.
    Despotism and intolerance are kin.

    Regards,
    Richard
    ... The best prophet of the future is the past.
    --- timEd 1.10.y2k+
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  • From Ed Hulett@1:123/789 to Steve Kemp on Sat May 8 18:45:25 2010
    On 5/8/2010 1:41 AM, Steve Kemp -> Ed Hulett wrote:

    Calling someone a Nazi is also an admission of defeat and is meant to
    end the debate.

    That must be why Rush, Beck, and the rest of the right-wing noise
    machine do it so often.

    Good point!

    If only you knew what you were talking about. All you have is nonsense
    fed you by your usual left-wing bomb throwing websites.

    What?

    Hey, why can't you just respond to a friggin' honest point?

    Sauer had no point. All he did was regurgitate what he reads on the web. No research, just blindly repeating Media Matters, HuffPo, Crook and Liars and the
    rest of the left-wing noise machine.

    Don't you see how you just diminished the thread?

    No, Sauer diminished it when he threw his usual deflection in.

    Ed

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