• FAT32

    From Stephan Bucher@1:3634/1000 to All on Mon Jul 25 13:29:04 2011

    I would like to read memory cards (SD) on an USB reader. This works well
    for cards up to 2GB which use the FAT system. I installed the latest
    FAT32 (0913) from Hobbes to access larger cards. I tried using LVM as described in the documentation, but no success: I do not get any options
    when I press Enter for the SD card.
    Is there a description for this anywhere?
    Any help is appreciated.
    Stephan


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  • From Delfi Reinoso@1:3634/1000 to All on Mon Jul 25 14:45:34 2011

    It's in spanish, but you can ranslate it with any service:

    http://blog.e-espai.org/post/2007/09/27/Unidades-extraibles-USB-MSD%3A-como= -usar-y-formatear-tambien-en-FAT32

    Perhaps we should tranlate it too.

    On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Stephan Bucher <
    stephan.bucher@bioconsult.ch> wrote:

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    I would like to read memory cards (SD) on an USB reader. This works well
    for cards up to 2GB which use the FAT system. I installed the latest
    FAT32 (0913) from Hobbes to access larger cards. I tried using LVM as described in the documentation, but no success: I do not get any options
    when I press Enter for the SD card.
    Is there a description for this anywhere?
    Any help is appreciated.
    Stephan
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  • From Stephan Bucher@1:3634/1000 to All on Fri Aug 5 06:50:22 2011

    Hi Delfi,
    thank you very much. As I understand, this method requires formatting
    which would delete all contents.
    Savng pictures from memory cards that have been formatted by the
    camera is thus probably not possible in eCS and I have to stick to Windows. Best regards,
    Stephan

    Delfi Reinoso wrote:

    It's in spanish, but you can ranslate it with any service:

    http://blog.e-espai.org/post/2007/09/27/Unidades-extraibles-USB-MSD%3A-como-usar-y-formatear-tambien-en-FAT32

    Perhaps we should tranlate it too.

    On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Stephan Bucher < stephan.bucher@bioconsult.ch <mailto:stephan.bucher%40bioconsult.ch>>
    wrote:

    **


    I would like to read memory cards (SD) on an USB reader. This works well for cards up to 2GB which use the FAT system. I installed the latest
    FAT32 (0913) from Hobbes to access larger cards. I tried using LVM as described in the documentation, but no success: I do not get any options when I press Enter for the SD card.
    Is there a description for this anywhere?
    Any help is appreciated.
    Stephan



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  • From frajo@rolofs.net@1:3634/1000 to All on Fri Aug 5 07:58:09 2011








    --- In os2user@yahoogroups.com, Stephan Bucher <stephan.bucher@...> wrote:

    Hi Delfi,
    thank you very much. As I understand, this method requires
    formatting
    which would delete all contents.
    Savng pictures from memory cards that have been formatted by the
    camera is thus probably not possible in eCS and I have to stick to
    Windows.

    I can't agree with this statement. I have a memory card in a camera that has been formatted and I'm saving pictures via USB to eCS 2.1 all the time. I don't even know the file system used - it just works.

    Cheers/2
    frajo



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  • From Kris Steenhaut@1:3634/1000 to All on Fri Aug 5 18:37:01 2011

    frajo@rolofs.net ha scritto:


    I can't agree with this statement. I have a memory card in a camera
    that has been formatted and I'm saving pictures via USB to eCS 2.1 all
    the time. I don't even know the file system used - it just works.

    Right indeed, that is when the camera had been set to PTP protocol. Then
    it always works and cameraderie is your (your) friend. Because file
    systems don't matter with PTP.

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  • From Stephan Bucher@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Aug 6 00:32:42 2011

    Hi Frajo,
    it works for me if the card is 2 GB or less, i.e., the card is formatted
    with FAT16. It does not work for 4 GB cards. What size cards do you use? Stephan

    frajo@rolofs.net wrote:



    --- In os2user@yahoogroups.com <mailto:os2user%40yahoogroups.com>,
    Stephan Bucher <stephan.bucher@...> wrote:

    Hi Delfi,
    thank you very much. As I understand, this method requires
    formatting
    which would delete all contents.
    Savng pictures from memory cards that have been formatted by the
    camera is thus probably not possible in eCS and I have to stick to
    Windows.

    I can't agree with this statement. I have a memory card in a camera
    that has been formatted and I'm saving pictures via USB to eCS 2.1 all
    the time. I don't even know the file system used - it just works.

    Cheers/2
    frajo




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  • From Stephan Bucher@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Aug 6 00:37:52 2011

    Right. It is just a bit frustrating that the card in the USB reader is recognized by eCS (a drive letter is assigned upon contact) but then
    "the device can not be accessed", even with FAT32 installed. Windows
    shows that the card's FS is FAT32.
    Stephan

    Kris Steenhaut wrote:

    frajo@rolofs.net <mailto:frajo%40rolofs.net> ha scritto:


    I can't agree with this statement. I have a memory card in a camera
    that has been formatted and I'm saving pictures via USB to eCS 2.1 all
    the time. I don't even know the file system used - it just works.

    Right indeed, that is when the camera had been set to PTP protocol. Then
    it always works and cameraderie is your (your) friend. Because file
    systems don't matter with PTP.

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    Kris




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  • From Kris Steenhaut@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Aug 6 03:07:43 2011

    Stephan Bucher ha scritto:
    Right. It is just a bit frustrating that the card in the USB reader is recognized by eCS (a drive letter is assigned upon contact) but then
    "the device can not be accessed", even with FAT32 installed. Windows
    shows that the card's FS is FAT32.

    Never believe what dummy computers order you to believe.

    Most, if not all new cams (since 2008 or so) have their own proprietary "cam file system".

    For instance, with my two cams Sony Cybershot DSC-H5 and Sony Cybershot DSC-HX1 and a 16 GB Memory stick pro duo.

    When changing that stick from the one cam to the other, the other cam has to reformat the memory card, otherwise it couldn't store pictures. Because the cam
    needs something very proriatary on the memory stick.

    That's because the cam's hardcoded software needs it to be so. The same hardcoded software let's Windy believe the file system is fat32, and the very same software makes the memory card readable for and downloadable to Windy.

    Bottom line, it looks like fat32 but it isn't fat32. And as (of course) cam manufacturers don't know anything about eCS, they don't make their hardcoded cam software compatible with eCS. Moreover, even the MAC is considered as something neglisable.

    For instance (again) with the Cybershot DSC-HX1.

    The video mpeg files are stored in a separate directory on the memory stick. Albeit the cam has been set to PTP, eCS can't see that directory. Worse, even my MAC computer can't see that directory. Not when the cam had been set to PTP,
    and worse, the MAC can't see that directory either when the cam had been set to
    "Mass storage". Albeit the MAC believes too the stick is a FAT32 thingie.
    Which means video files only can be downloaded from the Sony DSC-HX1 to Windy.

    Bottom line, as it stands now PTP is our only reliable resource if we are concerned about new cams.
    And even PTP has it's restrictions now. (-:


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  • From Stephan Bucher@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Aug 6 04:03:19 2011

    Thank you very much! As always, you have been helpful and very informative.
    But still: why does eCS work with 2GB cards (which have been formatted
    in the same camera)?
    Thanks again.
    Stephan

    Kris Steenhaut wrote:

    Stephan Bucher ha scritto:
    Right. It is just a bit frustrating that the card in the USB reader is recognized by eCS (a drive letter is assigned upon contact) but then
    "the device can not be accessed", even with FAT32 installed. Windows
    shows that the card's FS is FAT32.

    Never believe what dummy computers order you to believe.

    Most, if not all new cams (since 2008 or so) have their own
    proprietary "cam file system".

    For instance, with my two cams Sony Cybershot DSC-H5 and Sony
    Cybershot DSC-HX1 and a 16 GB Memory stick pro duo.

    When changing that stick from the one cam to the other, the other cam
    has to reformat the memory card, otherwise it couldn't store pictures. Because the cam needs something very proriatary on the memory stick.

    That's because the cam's hardcoded software needs it to be so. The
    same hardcoded software let's Windy believe the file system is fat32,
    and the very same software makes the memory card readable for and downloadable to Windy.

    Bottom line, it looks like fat32 but it isn't fat32. And as (of
    course) cam manufacturers don't know anything about eCS, they don't
    make their hardcoded cam software compatible with eCS. Moreover, even
    the MAC is considered as something neglisable.

    For instance (again) with the Cybershot DSC-HX1.

    The video mpeg files are stored in a separate directory on the memory
    stick. Albeit the cam has been set to PTP, eCS can't see that
    directory. Worse, even my MAC computer can't see that directory. Not
    when the cam had been set to PTP, and worse, the MAC can't see that directory either when the cam had been set to "Mass storage". Albeit
    the MAC believes too the stick is a FAT32 thingie.
    Which means video files only can be downloaded from the Sony DSC-HX1
    to Windy.

    Bottom line, as it stands now PTP is our only reliable resource if we
    are concerned about new cams.
    And even PTP has it's restrictions now. (-:

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  • From Kris Steenhaut@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Aug 6 04:30:22 2011

    Stephan Bucher ha scritto:
    But still: why does eCS work with 2GB cards
    Most likely, almost for sure, because there is no need to put most of the propriatry stuff onto the memory card when it is in compatibility (= Dos) state. Thus 2 GB or less.

    Nevertheless, eCS can't even handle 2 GB or less mass storage at my Sony Cam.
    Due to Sony's propriatry stuff.

    So, all depends on the matter how the cam has been constructed. From the hardware view as well as from the (hardcoded) software view.

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  • From "Philip"@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Aug 6 09:29:02 2011

    Saturday, August 06, 2011

    I do not use the camera/s to read the SD and SDHC cards on any of the four operating systems - mostly because it easier to carry one card reader for all the cameras and PDAs than the various connecting cords.

    If the card is FAT16, OS/2 recognizes it immediately. There is of course a 2GB
    limit to FAT16, so my 4 GB SDHC cards are FAT32. To be used in OS/2, like all FAT32 drives, they have to have LVM information added to them.

    Also, the FAT32 driver can be fussy about partition sizing so on occasion with a FAT32 drive I have used DFSee to slightly resize the drive so OS/2 can see it. I think this has to do with how sectors are read by the OS/2 FAT32 driver.

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  • From Andy Willis@1:3634/1000 to All on Mon Aug 8 10:21:54 2011

    Stephan Bucher wrote:
    Thank you very much! As always, you have been helpful and very informative. But still: why does eCS work with 2GB cards (which have been formatted
    in the same camera)?
    Thanks again.
    Stephan

    This is only speculation but it is possible that it is formatted Fat32
    if larger than 2GB but that it is done as a Large Floppy and not as partition-able media. Currently only FAT16 can be accessed when the
    drive is formatted as large floppy (there have been reports of someone
    being able to access a FAT32 Large Floppy but I have not known anyone to reproduce the success as yet). If this is indeed the case, then one
    possible workaround is to partition the card and format it with DFSee to
    Fat32 and then see if that helps. I was successful with one camera to
    not only do that but to also delete the folder that the camera created
    to put its photos in and to recreate it as a light table. Your level of success will be determined by the camera and if it needs anything
    proprietary as Kris mentioned and if to put that proprietary stuff on
    requires the camera to do its own format.
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  • From Stephan Bucher@1:3634/1000 to All on Mon Aug 8 11:00:25 2011

    Thanks, Andy!
    So far, the way which works easiest is to plug the USB card reader in a Windows machine, enable sharing, connect from eCS via Ethernet and
    access the files this way. Maybe not very elegant, but the other way
    I'll never be able to read cards that have been formatted in the camera.
    I have several Nikon cameras, and they all use SD cards and create a camera-specific directory structure during formatting or on first use.
    Each camera can only see its own pictures on that card. Windows (FCW) indicates that 1 and 2 GB cards are FAT and 4 GB cards are FAT32. No
    clue whether this is "pure" FAT/FAT32 or something like what Kris
    suspects. But since eCS has absolutely no problem with 2 GB cards, I
    assume it is "normal" FAT. To my astonishment, PMView even creates
    thumbnail pictures _on the FAT card_ - I had always thought that was
    HPFS specific because they were stored in extended attributes.
    I guess I have to live with eCS not being able to read customary camera-formatted memory cards > 2 GB.
    Thanks again and best regards,
    Stephan

    Andy Willis wrote:
    Stephan Bucher wrote:
    Thank you very much! As always, you have been helpful and very informative. >> But still: why does eCS work with 2GB cards (which have been formatted
    in the same camera)?
    Thanks again.
    Stephan

    This is only speculation but it is possible that it is formatted Fat32
    if larger than 2GB but that it is done as a Large Floppy and not as partition-able media. Currently only FAT16 can be accessed when the
    drive is formatted as large floppy (there have been reports of someone
    being able to access a FAT32 Large Floppy but I have not known anyone to reproduce the success as yet). If this is indeed the case, then one
    possible workaround is to partition the card and format it with DFSee to Fat32 and then see if that helps. I was successful with one camera to
    not only do that but to also delete the folder that the camera created
    to put its photos in and to recreate it as a light table. Your level of success will be determined by the camera and if it needs anything
    proprietary as Kris mentioned and if to put that proprietary stuff on requires the camera to do its own format.
    Andy



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  • From "Julian Thomas"@1:3634/1000 to All on Mon Aug 8 11:58:07 2011

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:00:25 +0200 Stephan Bucher wrote:

    To my astonishment, PMView even creates
    thumbnail pictures _on the FAT card_ - I had always thought that was
    HPFS specific because they were stored in extended attributes.

    OS2 has a way of storing EAs in FAT file systems; look for a hidden system file
    with EA in its name.

    I guess I have to live with eCS not being able to read customary >camera-formatted memory cards > 2 GB.

    As an alternative to Windows, you can usually read the larger cards with Linux.

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  • From Felix Miata@1:3634/1000 to All on Mon Aug 8 13:46:13 2011

    On 2011/08/08 11:58 (GMT-0400) Julian Thomas composed:

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:00:25 +0200 Stephan Bucher wrote:

    I guess I have to live with eCS not being able to read customary >>camera-formatted memory cards> 2 GB.

    As an alternative to Windows, you can usually read the larger cards with
    Linux.

    Not only can Linux do it for free, but it needn't be "installed". Just use a "live" CD or DVD (I prefer Knoppix, the clear live media veteran, for live OM Linux boots), booted from your eCS machine for those times you need large camera card access. Knoppix on RO media can store initialization settings on
    a local partition to facilitate convenient repeated use without installing, and also can run from a USB stick if your machine permits USB booting.
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  • From frajo@rolofs.net@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Aug 13 12:24:59 2011





    --- In os2user@yahoogroups.com, Stephan Bucher <stephan.bucher@...> wrote:

    Hi Frajo,
    it works for me if the card is 2 GB or less, i.e., the card is
    formatted with FAT16. It does not work for 4 GB cards. What size
    cards do you use?
    Stephan

    Hi Stephan,

    sorry for my late reply. I'm using a card with 2 GB. Never felt a need to use more than that.

    Cheers/2
    frajo



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