• [OS2HW] OS/2 Warp 4 and devices

    From scott@1:3634/1000 to All on Sat Apr 17 14:56:07 2010

    I have a couple of OS/2 Warp 4 systems still. Right now it doesn't
    support a USB mouse nor a USB flash drive, and nor an external hard
    drive. Is there a driver to permit these?

    Also I have a Adaptech SCSI card I want to install and have it use
    several hard drives. Can I do this? Can more than once SCSI card be
    installed in an OS/2 system if they are different types?

    Been a while since I last fiddled with OS/2.

    Thanks,

    Scott


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  • From Ed Durrant@1:3634/1000 to All on Sun Apr 18 06:19:07 2010

    scott wrote:
    I have a couple of OS/2 Warp 4 systems still. Right now it doesn't
    support a USB mouse nor a USB flash drive, and nor an external hard
    drive. Is there a driver to permit these?

    Also I have a Adaptech SCSI card I want to install and have it use
    several hard drives. Can I do this? Can more than once SCSI card be installed in an OS/2 system if they are different types?

    Been a while since I last fiddled with OS/2.

    Thanks,

    Scott



    depending upon which version of OS/2 Warp 4 you are on - if you are on
    W4 CP2 (convienience pack 2), there were USB drivers available from the software support site (which is now long gone).

    It may be time to consider upgrading these systems to eComstation 2.0
    when it is released in May. If the system currently has USB ports, they
    will most likely br v 1.x, which is fine for mouse or keyboard but to
    access a mass storage device (MSD) such as an external Harddisk, you
    really need USB 2.0, so you'd be looking to add an extra card for this.

    In short, the systems may not be worth the effort and you may be better
    off buying a modern system and using the OS/2 Warp 4 license to get an
    upgrade version of eCS.





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  • From "Mike O'Connor"@1:3634/1000 to All on Sun Apr 18 07:57:05 2010

    Hi Scott,

    On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrant@durrant.mine.nu> wrote:
    scott wrote:
    I have a couple of OS/2 Warp 4 systems still. Right now it doesn't
    support a USB mouse nor a USB flash drive, and nor an external hard
    drive. Is there a driver to permit these?

    Also I have a Adaptech [Adaptec!] SCSI card I want to install and have it
    use
    several hard drives. Can I do this? Can more than once SCSI card be
    installed in an OS/2 system if they are different types?

    Been a while since I last fiddled with OS/2.

    Thanks,

    Scott



    depending upon which version of OS/2 Warp 4 you are on - if you are on
    W4 CP2 (convienience pack 2), there were USB drivers available from the software support site (which is now long gone).

    It may be time to consider upgrading these systems to eComstation 2.0
    when it is released in May. If the system currently has USB ports, they
    will most likely br v 1.x, which is fine for mouse or keyboard but to
    access a mass storage device (MSD) such as an external Harddisk, you
    really need USB 2.0, so you'd be looking to add an extra card for this.

    In short, the systems may not be worth the effort and you may be better
    off buying a modern system and using the OS/2 Warp 4 license to get an upgrade version of eCS.

    --
    Cheers/2

    Ed

    Good advice from Ed, but to answer your other questions;

    Depending which Adaptec HBA (Host Bus Adapter] you have [they're all,
    at least up to the (LVD) 29160/29160LP/29160N, AFAIR, but probably not
    the U320 driver] supported by OS/2 (Warp4 FP15 - the last free FP from
    IBM - you can still get FP15 via links from www.os2site.com/sw/upgrades/upgrades.html!). eCS has all of them!

    If your HBAs are only the slow 8-bit SCSI, you can have up to a
    maximum of 7 disks attached to it - but you probably won't find a
    cable with that many connectors. Usually they only have 2-4
    connectors.

    If the HBAs are 16-bit (wide SCSI) with 68-pin connectors, you can
    have up to 15 SCSI HDDs attached to a single HBA in theory - the HBA
    itself uses SCSI ID7, but in practical terms you'll find it difficult
    to find a cable with that many connectors.

    You can however have as many HBAs as you have free IRQs in the BIOS,
    as they can't share them.

    OS/2 doesn't have any problems having mixed SCSI/PATA/SATA systems -
    just remember that on any mixed type system, SCSI BOOT drive [post
    2000 with LVM, (MCPx/eCs) they are referred to as Boot-Volumes, an
    entirely different - more friendly - way of organising disk partitions
    with whatever drive (volume) letter you wish to use for
    installation/data], must have its driver ahead of the PATA/SATA (IDE)
    driver, and vice-versa!

    HTH

    Regards,
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  • From scott@1:3634/1000 to All on Sun Apr 18 09:02:33 2010

    On 04/18/2010 07:57 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:
    Hi Scott,

    On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrant@durrant.mine.nu> wrote:

    scott wrote:

    I have a couple of OS/2 Warp 4 systems still. Right now it doesn't
    support a USB mouse nor a USB flash drive, and nor an external hard
    drive. Is there a driver to permit these?

    Also I have a Adaptech [Adaptec!] SCSI card I want to install and have it use
    several hard drives. Can I do this? Can more than once SCSI card be
    installed in an OS/2 system if they are different types?

    Been a while since I last fiddled with OS/2.

    Thanks,

    Scott




    depending upon which version of OS/2 Warp 4 you are on - if you are on
    W4 CP2 (convienience pack 2), there were USB drivers available from the
    software support site (which is now long gone).

    It may be time to consider upgrading these systems to eComstation 2.0
    when it is released in May. If the system currently has USB ports, they
    will most likely br v 1.x, which is fine for mouse or keyboard but to
    access a mass storage device (MSD) such as an external Harddisk, you
    really need USB 2.0, so you'd be looking to add an extra card for this.

    In short, the systems may not be worth the effort and you may be better
    off buying a modern system and using the OS/2 Warp 4 license to get an
    upgrade version of eCS.


    --

    Cheers/2

    Ed


    Good advice from Ed, but to answer your other questions;

    Depending which Adaptec HBA (Host Bus Adapter] you have [they're all,
    at least up to the (LVD) 29160/29160LP/29160N, AFAIR, but probably not
    the U320 driver] supported by OS/2 (Warp4 FP15 - the last free FP from
    IBM - you can still get FP15 via links from www.os2site.com/sw/upgrades/upgrades.html!). eCS has all of them!

    If your HBAs are only the slow 8-bit SCSI, you can have up to a
    maximum of 7 disks attached to it - but you probably won't find a
    cable with that many connectors. Usually they only have 2-4
    connectors.

    If the HBAs are 16-bit (wide SCSI) with 68-pin connectors, you can
    have up to 15 SCSI HDDs attached to a single HBA in theory - the HBA
    itself uses SCSI ID7, but in practical terms you'll find it difficult
    to find a cable with that many connectors.

    You can however have as many HBAs as you have free IRQs in the BIOS,
    as they can't share them.

    OS/2 doesn't have any problems having mixed SCSI/PATA/SATA systems -
    just remember that on any mixed type system, SCSI BOOT drive [post
    2000 with LVM, (MCPx/eCs) they are referred to as Boot-Volumes, an
    entirely different - more friendly - way of organising disk partitions
    with whatever drive (volume) letter you wish to use for
    installation/data], must have its driver ahead of the PATA/SATA (IDE)
    driver, and vice-versa!

    HTH

    Regards,
    Mike

    Thank you Ed, Mike,

    Instead of using an Adaptech HBA, perhaps it would be better/faster
    if I used SATA/eSATA drives if the adapter card has a PCI connector and
    has an OS/2 driver?

    I would bet the USB port is 1.0. However as long as it can access a
    flash drive for occasional use then that is fine. I will have to check
    if the OS has CP2 (How would I be able to tell?). Upgrading to eCS
    might be a problem with the system that it is on.

    Scott


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  • From Felix Miata@1:3634/1000 to All on Sun Apr 18 12:08:27 2010

    On 2010/04/18 09:02 (GMT-0400) scott composed:

    I will have to check
    if the OS has CP2 (How would I be able to tell?).

    View \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.FPK. XRC#### is the fix level. MCP2 would be XR0C002. eCS 1.x with CP4 applied would be XR0C004. Warp with no CPs applied IIRC would be something like XRM015 with FP15 applied. IIRC, MCP1 & FP16
    (never made public) are approximately equivalent except that the latter may have no LVM (that was a long time ago).
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  • From Mike O'Connor@1:3634/1000 to All on Sun Apr 18 13:36:02 2010

    On 2010-04-18 23:02 (AEST), scott wrote:
    On 04/18/2010 07:57 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:
    Good advice from Ed, but to answer your other questions;
    Depending which Adaptec HBA (Host Bus Adapter] you have [they're all,
    at least up to the (LVD) 29160/29160LP/29160N, AFAIR, but probably not
    the U320 driver] supported by OS/2 (Warp4 FP15 - the last free FP from
    IBM - you can still get FP15 via links from
    www.os2site.com/sw/upgrades/upgrades.html!). eCS has all of them!

    If your HBAs are only the slow 8-bit SCSI, you can have up to a
    maximum of 7 disks attached to it - but you probably won't find a
    cable with that many connectors. Usually they only have 2-4
    connectors.

    If the HBAs are 16-bit (wide SCSI) with 68-pin connectors, you can
    have up to 15 SCSI HDDs attached to a single HBA in theory - the HBA
    itself uses SCSI ID7, but in practical terms you'll find it difficult
    to find a cable with that many connectors.

    You can however have as many HBAs as you have free IRQs in the BIOS,
    as they can't share them.

    OS/2 doesn't have any problems having mixed SCSI/PATA/SATA systems -
    just remember that on any mixed type system, SCSI BOOT drive [post
    2000 with LVM, (MCPx/eCs) they are referred to as Boot-Volumes, an
    entirely different - more friendly - way of organising disk partitions
    with whatever drive (volume) letter you wish to use for
    installation/data], must have its driver ahead of the PATA/SATA (IDE)
    driver, and vice-versa!

    HTH

    Regards,
    Mike


    Thank you Ed, Mike,

    Instead of using an Adaptech HBA, perhaps it would be better/faster
    if I used SATA/eSATA drives if the adapter card has a PCI connector and
    has an OS/2 driver?

    I have used a variety of Adaptec HBAs, with no problems at all here.
    I would bet the USB port is 1.0. However as long as it can access a
    flash drive for occasional use then that is fine. I will have to check
    if the OS has CP2 (How would I be able to tell?). Upgrading to eCS
    might be a problem with the system that it is on.

    Why would that be? Some people have used some pretty ancient hardware
    with eCS - successfully!
    Scott

    Hi Scott,

    There are USB drivers for USBOHCI and USBUHCI (USB 1.x), though no
    USBEHCI (USB2.0) included in the XR_D003 Device Driver PAK, along with
    the base USB drivers you'll need. I have attached them for you on the PM
    copy of this, also a complete listing of the files in the FP15 diskette images, as well as the Device driver PAK..

    Also the IBM DIUNPACK.EXE that converts the individual *.?DK files in
    FP15 to HDD-based directories, and instructions on its usage..
    If your Fixpack level is MCPx (it would show 4.51/4.52 when issuing
    "VERSION /R"). With Warp4 prior to FP15 it probably only shows as
    Version 4.0, though they might have started from FP13 with 4.50 i.e.
    same as W4FP15/16/17 do. All eCS to date (1.0 to 2.0RC7) show as 4.50!

    It's been so long since I've had to apply a FP that I can't remember
    whether it adds the entries to the config.sys or not: Probably not in
    which case you'll have to manually incorporate the following entries
    (ignoring for the moment any entries you maybe don't have drivers for)!
    DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\USBKBD.SYS
    DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\USBMOUSE.SYS
    rem BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS (these two entries were on a former machine)
    rem BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS
    BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
    BASEDEV=USBOHCD.SYS
    BASEDEV=USBEHCD.SYS
    BASEDEV=USBD.SYS
    BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS
    BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD /FLOPPIES:0 /REMOVABLES:2
    REM BASEDEV=USBCDROM.ADD
    REM DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\USBCOM.SYS
    REM DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\USBPRT.SYS
    DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\USBRESMG.SYS

    That was from a Warp4 (FP16-17) Bootable logical drive near the end of
    this 250GB HDD, i.e up around cylinder 28K.
    In order to have the capability of working with Warp4 and booting above cylinder 1023, you also need to have the updated IBM Boot Manager, and Extended INT13H support. That's in a file called ExpartW4, which I'll
    send you separately, after I locate it here.

    BTW both of the attachments on your personal copy are *ips, they just
    don't have the extensions attached for e-mail violation problems, so if
    you don't have an application that like Object Desktop, doesn't need to
    be told that they are *ip files to work with the contents, add the .*ip
    back on after saving! Read my additional notes included in there first!


    Enjoy yourself, updating/upgrading!

    Regards,
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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to scott on Mon Apr 19 06:52:28 2010
    Replying to a message of scott to All:

    I have a couple of OS/2 Warp 4 systems still. Right now it
    doesn't support a USB mouse nor a USB flash drive, and nor
    an external hard drive. Is there a driver to permit these?

    I think there is. I know that 4.52 came with some USB support.

    Also I have a Adaptech SCSI card I want to install and
    have it use several hard drives. Can I do this? Can more
    than once SCSI card be installed in an OS/2 system if they
    are different types?

    You can probably get away with it if your box is a microchannel PS/2.
    In fact I know you can, because I had a PS/2 model 95 (which is a
    microchannel box) that had *three* SCSI controller/adapter cards in it.
    Worked just fine with plain old OS/2 v 4.0 - until the clock packed it
    in.

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  • From os2hardwarel@ftn.wpusa.dynip.com@1:3634/1000 to All on Tue Apr 20 11:03:22 2010

    * Forwarded (from: o2hardl) by mark lewis using timEd/2 1.10.y2k+.
    * Originally from Bob Ackley to to-os2hardwarel.
    * Original dated: Mon Apr 19, 06:52


    Replying to a message of scott to All:

    I have a couple of OS/2 Warp 4 systems still. Right now it
    doesn't support a USB mouse nor a USB flash drive, and nor
    an external hard drive. Is there a driver to permit these?

    I think there is. I know that 4.52 came with some USB support.

    Also I have a Adaptech SCSI card I want to install and
    have it use several hard drives. Can I do this? Can more
    than once SCSI card be installed in an OS/2 system if they
    are different types?

    You can probably get away with it if your box is a microchannel PS/2.
    In fact I know you can, because I had a PS/2 model 95 (which is a
    microchannel box) that had *three* SCSI controller/adapter cards in it.
    Worked just fine with plain old OS/2 v 4.0 - until the clock packed it
    in.
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