What value will a moderator bring to MUFFIN?

Whatever is needed.

This echo, for the last 10 years has not needed a moderator.

It is fine the way it is ie. unmoderated.

Minimally is more accurate. And hopefully that is enough.

That result is due to the natural obsolescence of BBSes.

The only thing a moderator will add are those stupid
periodic notices stating rules and etiquette that
NOBODY wants to see.

If one follows some echo that has them, and one doesn't
want to see them, the simple solution would be to
ignore them. Should that be too much trouble,then one
would be better off to ignore a whole echo that one
finds irksome.]

What you described could be applied to spam or trollers.

But those useless echo rules notifications serve nothing but to clutter
an echo and make it difficult to search for real new
mail. People who use an echo should not have to waste
their time and put more effort and energy into
searching and discerning relevant messages.

I've seen the effect of the disgusting pollution that
"Echo Rules" has caused in the BINK echo. I doubt
anybody would like the same shocking effect in MUFFIN.

This echo has no need for a moderator. It has been self-regulating and civilised for the last 10 (and more) years.

You have your opinion. Others, including me, have their own.

You've expressed yours. And that's the end of that.
The echo is for discussion of Maximus, not the moderation of the echo.

Thanks

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--- Maximus/2 3.01
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[Joe Davis to Mvan Le]

MvanLe> This echo has no need for a moderator. It
MvanLe> has MvanLe> been self-regulating and
MvanLe> civilised for the last 10 (and more) years.

You have your opinion. Others, including me, have their own.

You've expressed yours. And that's the end of that.
The echo is for discussion of Maximus, not the moderation of the
echo.

thank you for this, joe ;)

)\/(ark


* Origin: (1:3634/12)

Re: Fossils
By: Mvan Le to Ralph M. Smole II on Sun Nov 22 2009 10:43 am

I'm reading messages with synchronet... seems fine

As of v3.14, there're a couple of things I don't like about Synchronet.

Mainly its message reading functionality. Thus far this is my critique,

* When quoting replies lines are prefixed with ">" which eventually truncates the quoted line, which means each reply truncates more of the original message text.

* It lacks some of the user-customisable message searching functions that Maximus has eg. Browse Msg -> All areas -> List messages (instead of Synchronet's simple "Read messages" option). Maximus has more (useful) built-in
search functions.

* As of v3.14 it only has 2 options when scanning messages: 1) list message titles, or 2) display messages -- in the latter case Synchronet will modify the
message pointer, and I might prefer pointers unmodified since I can refer to those messages after a scan. In Maximus, listing message titles doesn't modify pointers. I think it is silly that Synchronet modifies message pointers just because you're listing message titles.

* When listing message titles Synchronet clutters the screen with all the subgroups.

* When listing message titles Syncrhonet also lists -OLD- / read messages which
clutters the screen even more.

* Where's the read original message option in Synchronet ? I only saw some sorting by thread / author options ... In Maximus you can bring up the original
message in the thread which is useful if you want to know how and/or when a thread got started.

* Currently in Sycnrhonet, a plugin has to be used for new-message-received notifications. And these notifications are displayed and then deleted during the logon process so the user can't re-display those new message notifications later eg. subsequent logons, which is quite inconvenient. In Maximus, you can list new messages without having to read them; and message pointers are not modified. This allows you to retain the status of new/un-read messages so that you can actually read them at some later (more convenient) time instead of [only] during the logon process.

* I don't like the board/sub-board (RA-style group/subgroup) message area categorising method. The Maximus Usenet style divisions are a more logical/relational/intuitive breakdown of message groups & areas. (imo). In Maximus, you can group file and message areas like fdn.bbs.max.[0-9] or any alphanumeric combination. This allows you to traverse areas like a Unix directory or DNS heirarchy.

Interestingly, Rob Swindell said that he had never received such feature requests, which bewildered me, and leads me to believe that the majority of Synchronet users are more caught up in its internet functionality (Web/FTP/SMTP
etc) than messaging and/or message reading convenience.

But anyway, due to a revival of interest from the Synchronet author, unlike the
fledgling Maximus BBS project, Synchronet took off and became popular. What makes Synchronet worthwhile, apart from its internet capabilities, is the active and enthusiastic developing community; which is why new features and bug
fixes get rapidly tested and implemented.

On the other hand, the Maximus author, Scott Dudley, disappared off the face of
the earth (I don't blame him). There's now only a half-arsed intermittently commited ragtag user group left for Maximus.

Anyway, having said all this, I acknowledge that anything can be made "highly customisable" if you have source code. Any feature can be changed and/or added.
It's only a matter of dedication and effort. There's less dedication and effort
on Maximus than Sycnhronet therefore Synchronet is more featureful.

If I contracted dozens of dedicated Chinese/Indian/Russian students AUD$5k pa to develop Maximus it would easily be better than Synchronet.

One day I'm going to make it happen. It's only a matter of finance. And I have shitloads of money.

Maximus will one day be ported to Java/C# or whatever the modern language & platform is at the time. It will have proper/standardised project and source code documentation and management, and development and release cycles.

Everybody will stop using Synchronet entirely and start using Maximus because it will be the be-all and end-all of BBS software.

I'm a die-hard Maximus fan and I ain't switch'n, ever.

PS. Death to RemoteAccess and all RA sysops, Pascal, and all those bastards that wanted registration money to use their software, and that shithouse binary
drop file that RemoteAccess uses.

Long live Maximus and BinkleyTerm and all Maximus-centric and/or derived and/or
compatible ideologies including BinkD/P, C/C++ and Opus et al.

All Hail Maximus.

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* Origin: Xaragmata / Adelaide SA telnet://xaragmata.mooo.com (3:800/432)

Mvan,

On the other hand, the Maximus author, Scott Dudley,
disappared off the face of the earth (I don't blame
him). There's now only a half-arsed intermittently
commited ragtag user group left for Maximus.

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! I do admit, though, that I am
surprised that people are still using something that I started 20 years ago. (Frankly, I'm also surprised that it still works.)

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Scott

PS: If you ever have trouble finding a home for one of those shitloads of money, I'm sure that I could give you some pointers... :-)


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Hi Scott -- on Dec 20 2009 at 23:00, you wrote:

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! I do admit,
though, that I am surprised that people are still using something
that I started 20 years ago. (Frankly, I'm also surprised that it
still works.)

It still works, AND I'm running it under XP Pro, AND I'm using it with Telnet!!!

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Thanks for writing such a great piece of software!!!!

PS: If you ever have trouble finding a home for one of those
shitloads of money, I'm sure that I could give you some pointers...
:-)

Hey, I'm older than you are - I get first dibs! :-)

Cheers... Dallas

--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: The BandMaster, CANADA [telnet: bandmaster.tzo.com] (1:153/715)

Hello mark!

<On 22Nov2009 19:43 mark lewis (1:3634/12) wrote a message to Joe Davis regarding Fossils >

You've expressed yours. And that's the end of that.
The echo is for discussion of Maximus, not the moderation of the
echo.

thank you for this, joe ;)

Here, here.

Best regards,
Marc
Telnet://bbs.sursum-corda.com

... It's like deja vu all over again.(Yogi Berra)
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Sursum Corda! BBS SysOp Point (1:396/45.1)

Yew, Dallas,

Hey, I'm older than you are - I get first dibs! :-)

Crawling out of the woodwork.

Where have you been hiding? ;-)

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.36
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Hello Scott!

<On 20Dec2009 23:00 Scott Dudley wrote a message to Mvan Le

[snip] There's now only a half-arsed intermittently
commited ragtag user group left for Maximus.

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! I do admit,
though, that I am surprised that people are still using something
that I started 20 years ago. (Frankly, I'm also surprised that it
still works.)

Not only does it work, it still (in its OS/2 rendition) can do stuff that other
BBS systems have serious problems with. Granted, some advances have been made in some areas of BBS the interface, but Maximus _still_ holds its own against many other systems. It and it's companion Squish are solid, well thought out works.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

You deserve it.

Best regards,
Marc
telnet://bbs.sursum-corda.com. >Celebrating 14 years on-line

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Wow!

Mvan,

On the other hand, the Maximus author, Scott Dudley,
disappared off the face of the earth (I don't blame
him). There's now only a half-arsed intermittently
commited ragtag user group left for Maximus.

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! I do
admit, though, that I am surprised that people are
still using something that I started 20 years ago.
(Frankly, I'm also surprised that it still works.)

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Scott

PS: If you ever have trouble finding a home for one of
those shitloads of money, I'm sure that I could give
you some pointers... :-)

A blast from the past that still works with the blaster! Still running it on DOS-VDM's in OS/2 where necessary and OS/2 native absolutely stable yet Scott.
I've even got it working for test only in WIN-XP SP3 latest in mobile drive tray operations just for research with COM/IP there.

Part of the reason is the even the old FidoNet standard stuff with BINK/MAX and
even OS/2 special telecomm bridging stuff *CAN* be used to patch together all the way from evem POTS phone service even to RF data linked stuff. Not only from VHF radio data operations, but even HF world-wide really emergency mission
critical data likes. Even encrypted if need be! All over the whole world by radio!

At one point after a years' back hurricane trounce in rural Texas that hit the 1:117/3000 Fido remote telecomm site, parts of the geography back toward Beaumont and so on didn't even have POTS phone service for as long as two weeks! If we had to, we could have handled actual EOS emergency traffic via BINK/MAX and Fido, together with even file transfer that could have, though very slowly, be done that way!

Part of which was with what you contributed.. Woof! Woof!

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001

--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Ziplog Public Port (1:117/3001)

Hi Scott,

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! I do

Wow! Nice to here from ya :)

admit, though, that I am surprised that people are still
using something that I started 20 years ago. (Frankly, I'm
also surprised that it still works.)

Been using your /SUPER/ programs since 1988, and I might add, still running strong under MS-DOS 6.22, using both the internet and a land line to move fidonet data.

I'm a dinosaur too.

Have a SUPER time, and a BIG thanks for all your efforts. I've made MANY MANY good friends throught fidonet.


Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! I do
admit, though, that I am surprised that people are
still using something that I started 20 years ago.
(Frankly, I'm also surprised that it still works.)

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Maximus is my family heirloom to be handed down from father to son, and their son's sons and so on, until the end of time.

A plaque has been made for worship:

http://users.tpg.com.au/mdsl/tmp/maximus.htm

PS: If you ever have trouble finding a home for one of
those shitloads of money, I'm sure that I could give
you some pointers... :-)

No worries.

I'm having all sorts of difficulty compiling the Maximus DOS and NT targets as per "MaximusSourceDoc.doc" with Watcom 11 and MASM 5.10 on Windows XP/2000. Not
sure what the problem is ...

When I have enough millions of dollars I'll give you a call.

--- Maximus 3.01
* Origin: Xaragmata / Adelaide SA telnet://xaragmata.mooo.com (3:800/432)

This echo is abandoned and someone should contact the
appropriate "authorities" to assume moderatorship over
it. If you're not a FidoNet SysOp and don't have a
Node number, IMHO, don't bother applying.

What value will a moderator bring to MUFFIN ?

It is fine the way it is ie. unmoderated.

The only thing a moderator will add are those stupid periodic notices stating rules and etiquette that NOBODY wants to see.


--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)

RMSI> Get Synchronet and dump Maximus. Synch has BUILT-IN
RMSI> fossil support. No fossil
RMSI> driver needed :-)

Just because it's built-in doesn't mean it's better.

NetFoss is better than the Synchronet fossil.



--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)

Hi Ward -- on Dec 21 2009 at 10:03, you wrote:

Crawling out of the woodwork.

Where have you been hiding? ;-)

right here, Ward -- nothing's changed, I haven't been anywhere .... just plugging along!! Merry Christmas!


Cheers... Dallas

--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: The BandMaster, CANADA [telnet: bandmaster.tzo.com] (1:153/715)

Hi Scott,

nice to see you here again!

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! I do admit, though,
that I am surprised that people are still using something that I
started 20 years ago. (Frankly, I'm also surprised that it still
works.)

It's like a Beagle from Volkswagen. It runs and runs and runs and runs and ...

I assume in Germany there are still more than 100 BBSs running Maximus.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Thank YOU for your excellent software!

Best wishes to you and your relations as well as all participiants here in the echo!!

Greetings from Germany,

Dieter

---
* Origin: LOGO - Germany (2:2476/14)

Dieter,

It's like a Beagle from Volkswagen. ...

Volkswagen? ... A Beagle? ...

:-)

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.36
* Origin: Many Glacier -- "The Lord of the Pings" (2:292/854)

Hi Ward!

Dieter,

It's like a Beagle from Volkswagen. ...

Volkswagen? ... A Beagle? ...

:-)

\%/@rd

Nice to see you from another MAXed out box here too, grin!

Beagle? I heard that a snail bought a VW bea*** but before he would buy it he made them take the emblem off and put on a snail emblem! They did it but asked, "Why?" He said, "I just want everyone to know that escargo!"

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001

--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Ziplog Public Port (1:117/3001)

Hello Mike!

In your message you said:

Beagle? I heard that a snail bought a VW bea*** but
before he would buy it he made them take the emblem
off and put on a snail emblem! They did it but asked,
"Why?" He said, "I just want everyone to know that
escargo!"

Owwww! What a way to end 2009. ;-)

Warm regards to everyone and sincere best wishes for a better 2010!

Best regards,
Marc
telnet://bbs.sursum-corda.com. >Celebrating 14 years on-line

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Re: Fossils
By: Mvan Le to Ralph M. Smole II on Wed Nov 11 2009 06:58 pm

RMSI> Get Synchronet and dump Maximus. Synch has BUILT-IN
RMSI> fossil support. No fossil
RMSI> driver needed :-)

Just because it's built-in doesn't mean it's better.

NetFoss is better than the Synchronet fossil.

And Synch is EONS better than Maximus,so there! Nyah,nyah,nyah,nyah.


www.freewebs.com/ralphsmole
bullishmcgee@gmail.com

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What value will a moderator bring to MUFFIN?

Whatever is needed.

It is fine the way it is ie. unmoderated.

Minimally is more accurate. And hopefully that is enough.

The only thing a moderator will add are those stupid
periodic notices stating rules and etiquette that
NOBODY wants to see.

If one follows some echo that has them, and one doesn't want to see them, the simple solution would be to ignore them. Should that be too much trouble,then one would be better off to ignore a whole echo that one finds irksome.

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--- Maximus/2 3.01
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Re: Fossils
By: Mvan Le to Ralph M. Smole II on Sun Nov 22 2009 10:43 am

I'm reading messages with synchronet... seems fine
--- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
* Origin: Vertrauen - vert.synchro.net (1:103/705)

What value will a moderator bring to MUFFIN?

Whatever is needed.

This echo, for the last 10 years has not needed a moderator.

It is fine the way it is ie. unmoderated.

Minimally is more accurate. And hopefully that is enough.

That result is due to the natural obsolescence of BBSes.

The only thing a moderator will add are those stupid
periodic notices stating rules and etiquette that
NOBODY wants to see.

If one follows some echo that has them, and one doesn't
want to see them, the simple solution would be to
ignore them. Should that be too much trouble,then one
would be better off to ignore a whole echo that one
finds irksome.]

What you described could be applied to spam or trollers.

But those useless echo rules notifications serve nothing but to clutter an echo
and make it difficult to search for real new mail. People who use an echo should not have to waste their time and put more effort and energy into searching and discerning relevant messages.

I've seen the effect of the disgusting pollution that "Echo Rules" has caused in the BINK echo. I doubt anybody would like the same shocking effect in MUFFIN.

This echo has no need for a moderator. It has been self-regulating and civilised for the last 10 (and more) years.

--- Maximus 3.01
* Origin: Xaragmata / Adelaide SA telnet://xaragmata.mooo.com (3:800/432)

RMSI> And Synch is EONS better than Maximus,so there! Nyah,nyah,nyah,nyah.

Unfortunately, Synchronet has crappy message reading functionality. You'd expect that for it to be "eons better" it'd atleast have some decent functions to read messages.


--- Maximus 3.01
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