Hello All!

Recently in converting from all zero's to -Unpublished- an error
was made, that resulted in a Host entry being tagged as an error
and the relvant net to be merged with the forgoing net in the nodelist.

This was caused by a homan error, where the trailing dash was omitted.
Apparently this spooked the Nethost or his RC, and the old notation
with all zero's was restored for the netsegment.

In the makenl_ng sourcefile fts5.c there is a small section, that
corrects the way Unpublished is written. The change is from any combination
of lower and uppercase characters to just the first character being in
uppercase.

I would like to propose that this spellchecker section is extended to
correct a missing dash at the start and at the end of Unpublished as well.
This to correct human error, that can have significant impact on the
nodelist.

Kees

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Kees,

I would like to propose that this spellchecker section is extended to correct a missing dash at the start and at the end of Unpublished as well. This to correct human error, that can have significant impact on the nodelist.

The purpose of makenl is to produce a nodelist from segments presented "as is".

The developers of makenl should stay out of the nodelist.

Take care,

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

03 Feb 14 18:50, you wrote to me:

The purpose of makenl is to produce a nodelist from segments presented "as is".

The developers of makenl should stay out of the nodelist.

At your level that may be true. But those who prepare the initial segments,
may find it usefull, they get the blame if their segment is dropped or
mangled. Makenl is not a ZC only tool, it is layed out, that a lowly node
can adminster its own nodelist entry. That was never promoted by the
powers that be, but it is there.

Besides, makenl does not process the segments as presented, under some
conditions lines are marked as errors.

Kees

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On Mon, 03 Feb 2014, Kees van Eeten wrote to Ward Dossche:

Besides, makenl does not process the segments as presented, under
some conditions lines are marked as errors.

if the *Cs set themselves up as submission nodes, they would get messages from makenl if there are errors in their segments ;)

[...]
notify receipt INTL
notify errors INTL CRASH
notify self INTL
[...]
Data
Host,blahblahblah
Files
Node 0 mynet.txt


all of my network's entries, except for the host entry, are in mynet.txt... if i make a mistake in the entries in that file, makenl notifies me about it on the process run...

)\/(ark

One of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts. --Benjamin Franklin

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Kees,

The developers of makenl should stay out of the nodelist.

At your level that may be true.

It is true at all levels.

I will never implement such a version and even contemplate going back to the "old makenl" which does not have these "features".

Take care,

\%/@rd

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On Mon, 03 Feb 2014, Kees van Eeten wrote to Ward Dossche:

Besides, makenl does not process the segments as presented, under
some conditions lines are marked as errors.

if the *Cs set themselves up as submission nodes, they would get messages from
makenl if there are errors in their segments ;)

[...]
notify receipt INTL
notify errors INTL CRASH
notify self INTL
[...]
Data
Host,blahblahblah
Files
Node 0 mynet.txt

all of my network's entries, except for the host entry, are in mynet.txt... if
i make a mistake in the entries in that file, makenl notifies me about it on the process run...

Yep, works over here great.. :)

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Janis!

03 Feb 14 19:25, you wrote to mark lewis:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014, Kees van Eeten wrote to Ward Dossche:

Besides, makenl does not process the segments as presented, under
some conditions lines are marked as errors.

if the *Cs set themselves up as submission nodes, they would get messages
from makenl if there are errors in their segments ;)

[...]
notify receipt INTL
notify errors INTL CRASH
notify self INTL
[...]
Data
Host,blahblahblah
Files
Node 0 mynet.txt

all of my network's entries, except for the host entry, are in
mynet.txt... if i make a mistake in the entries in that file, makenl
notifies me about it on the process run...

Yep, works over here great.. :)

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

Kees

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Hi Kees,

On 2014-02-05 11:14:06, you wrote to Janis Kracht:

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

Do you mean 1:116/0 ? There is no 1:240/0. There is a 2:240/0, but there is no error in that segment.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred,

On Wednesday February 05 2014 11:34, you wrote to Kees van Eeten:

Hi Kees,

On 2014-02-05 11:14:06, you wrote to Janis Kracht:

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

Do you mean 1:116/0 ? There is no 1:240/0.

I think he means 1:340.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel,

On 2014-02-05 12:15:37, you wrote to me:

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

Do you mean 1:116/0 ? There is no 1:240/0.

MvdV> I think he means 1:340.

There is no error (";E") in the nodelist for net 340, there is in net 116 ...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

There is no error (";E") in the nodelist for net 340, there is in net 116 ...

"There is" in the segment that has been presented for this week as seen in the DAILYLST.

Janis has been notified and will take care that it is gone by Friday.

The 116-problem has been taken care of this week.

\%/@rd

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Hello Wilfred!

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

Do you mean 1:116/0 ? There is no 1:240/0.

MvdV>> I think he means 1:340.

There is no error (";E") in the nodelist for net 340, there is in net 116 ...

Sorry I goofed on the Fidonet address it should be 1:340/0

There is an error in the Z1 dailies 031, 032, 035, 036
033 and 034 were built with a rolledback hostsegment.

The phone field is witten as ,-Unpublished, in stead of '-Unpublished-,
This causes the line with the host entry to fail. As there is now no
host entry, there is no segment separator and Net 340 is merged into Net 152
Node 1:340/9999 is also flagged as an error as it is now considered to be
1:152/9999. That address is already preset in the 1:153 segment.

Kees

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Hello Kees!

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

I expect it will be fixed... I've spoken with him, but I think you mean 1:340/0, not 240/0.

Take care,
Janis

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Brer Janis Kracht wrote to Brer Kees van Eeten about Extension of minispellchecker in fts5.c:

Hello Kees!

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

I expect it will be fixed... I've spoken with him, but I think you
mean 1:340/0, not 240/0.

There's a 1:340 net? N-list.031 doesn't show it...the only node with a
bad "-Unpublished" that I see is 1:123/789...


R\%/itt - K5RXT

"It is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all, and
if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain."
Bram Stoker (1847-1912)

Thus, we have "Climate Change Science" - which isn't capable of
explaining anything.


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Hi Roy,

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

I expect it will be fixed... I've spoken with him, but I think you
mean 1:340/0, not 240/0.

There's a 1:340 net? N-list.031 doesn't show it...the only node with a
bad "-Unpublished" that I see is 1:123/789...

This node has the error that cause his net to be appened to the previous net:

;E HOST,340,Oregon_Net,Cougar_WA_USA,Robert_E_Starr_JR,Unpublished,300,CM,INA:t ime.synchro.net[...]

What you mention above I believe is a true Pvt node, with Pvt,Unpublished... different animal so to speak.

Take care,
Janis

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On Wed, 05 Feb 2014, Kees van Eeten wrote to Janis Kracht:

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

do you mean host 1:340?? robert starr?

yes, his entry is missing the leading and trailing dashes around "Unpublished"...

an error like that does tend to mash nets together... in this case, net 340 ends up mashed together with 1:153... this mashing is also the cause of the duplicate node 9999 at the end of 1:340's segment section since there's a node 9999 in 1:153...

1:116/28 is missing the trailing dash on "-Unpublished"...

so far as i can tell, those are the only three errors marked in the nodelist at
this time...

)\/(ark

One of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts. --Benjamin Franklin

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Brer Janis Kracht wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Extension of
minispellchecker in fts5.c:

Hi Roy,

Tell 1:240/0 how it is done, his net segment update is in error
for a second week.

I expect it will be fixed... I've spoken with him, but I think you
mean 1:340/0, not 240/0.

There's a 1:340 net? N-list.031 doesn't show it...the only node with a
bad "-Unpublished" that I see is 1:123/789...

This node has the error that cause his net to be appened to the
previous net:

;E
HOST,340,Oregon_Net,Cougar_WA_USA,Robert_E_Starr_JR,Unpublished,300,C M,INA: t ime.synchro.net[...]

Ahhh, I see what you mean now. The other ;E dupe node 9999 error note is
caused by MakeNL itselfafter adding net 340 to net 153.

What you mention above I believe is a true Pvt node, with Pvt,Unpublished... different animal so to speak.

Well, this one will teach me to read the actual nodelist rather than my
GoldEd compiled list in the GoldEd reader...

Take care,
Janis

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R\%/itt - K5RXT

"It is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all, and
if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain."
Bram Stoker (1847-1912)

Thus, we have "Climate Change Science" - which isn't capable of
explaining anything.


--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-31012
--- D'Bridge 3.98
* Origin: South-Texas Area Hub - Gulf Coast Backbone (1:387/22)

Hi Roy,

There's a 1:340 net? N-list.031 doesn't show it...the only node with a
bad "-Unpublished" that I see is 1:123/789...

This node has the error that cause his net to be appened to the
previous net:

;E
HOST,340,Oregon_Net,Cougar_WA_USA,Robert_E_Starr_JR,Unpublished,300,C
M,INA: t ime.synchro.net[...]

Ahhh, I see what you mean now. The other ;E dupe node 9999 error note is caused by MakeNL itselfafter adding net 340 to net 153.

What you mention above I believe is a true Pvt node, with
Pvt,Unpublished... different animal so to speak.

Well, this one will teach me to read the actual nodelist rather than my GoldEd compiled list in the GoldEd reader...

No problem.. I'm used to not using GoldEd and looking over the nodelist, though
by now there may be a version that supports bbbs' msg. area type. <g>

Take care,
Janis

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Brer Janis Kracht wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Extension of
minispellchecker in fts5.c:

Well, this one will teach me to read the actual nodelist rather than
my GoldEd compiled list in the GoldEd reader...

No problem.. I'm used to not using GoldEd and looking over the
nodelist, though by now there may be a version that supports bbbs'
msg. area type. <g>

GoldEd gives you a quick reference to the nodelist, but doesn't show you
all that is there. When I view the nodelist with an ASCII editor, it shows everything on every line. Lesson learned.


R\%/itt - K5RXT

"It is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all, and
if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain."
Bram Stoker (1847-1912)

Thus, we have "Climate Change Science" - which isn't capable of
explaining anything.


--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-31012
--- D'Bridge 3.98
* Origin: South-Texas Area Hub - Gulf Coast Backbone (1:387/22)