Since I do a ton of setups for VPS's and dedicateds, etc..

A lot of times I take a LOCAL VM and test out setups, installs, etc...

With my notes I then setup the VPS/Dedicated from the notes manually.

It sure would be a lot less time consuming to take the finalized VM rinse it through some sort of export process to OVA???? Or something and then IMPORT that into OpenVZ VPS for example. Thats an example I am not aware that OVZ will
import an OVA... That is just an example for illustration purposes.

Yes, snapshots/restores can help, but I have one DC which doesn't support snapshots/restores natively (its their one weakness at this location, and there
is some DC issue which they won't get in to too much detail on why), if I wanted to setup something fine.... but that sort of cyclically leads me back to
here. In that I would test out a setup like that, then have to manually create this on the remote server. Possibly a dedi or colo to do it..

Yes, colo would be another option ie: setup server locally, ship, install.... That is many times more $$$$ v. VPS or even some dedi's. The shipping and install alone would cover VPS(s) for quite some time.

Moving VM's from the various VM solutions can be done ie: VMware <->VBOX, but I've not seen anything like that for something like:

VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ

Any one run across anything like this that searches are not showing.


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rick christian wrote to All <=-

Moving VM's from the various VM solutions can be done ie: VMware

<->VBOX, but I've not seen anything like that for something like:

VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ

Those are different kind of virtualization technologies. Being VBOX and VMware more similar but OpenVZ is not a VM, it's a chroot on steroids.
I don't think it's possible to migrate a VM from VBOX/VMWare to OenVZ.

If you are just looking to automate the building of a VM, take a look at Ansible.

Best regards,
Pedro Silva

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rick christian wrote to All <=-

Moving VM's from the various VM solutions can be done ie: VMware

<->VBOX, but I've not seen anything like that for something like:

VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ

Those are different kind of virtualization technologies. Being VBOX and VMware more similar but OpenVZ is not a VM, it's a chroot on steroids.
I don't think it's possible to migrate a VM from VBOX/VMWare to OenVZ.

If you are just looking to automate the building of a VM, take a look at Ansible.

Best regards,
Pedro Silva

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Moving VM's from the various VM solutions can be done ie: VMware <->VBOX, but I've not seen anything like that for something like:
VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ
Any one run across anything like this that searches are not showing.

Have you tried the free V2V conversion utility by StarWind yet by any chance?

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rick christian wrote to All <=-

Moving VM's from the various VM solutions can be done ie: VMware

<->VBOX, but I've not seen anything like that for something like:

VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ

Those are different kind of virtualization technologies. Being VBOX and VMware more similar but OpenVZ is not a VM, it's a chroot on steroids.
I don't think it's possible to migrate a VM from VBOX/VMWare to OenVZ.

If you are just looking to automate the building of a VM, take a look at Ansible.

Best regards,
Pedro Silva

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rick christian wrote to All <=-

Moving VM's from the various VM solutions can be done ie: VMware

<->VBOX, but I've not seen anything like that for something like:

VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ

Those are different kind of virtualization technologies. Being VBOX and VMware more similar but OpenVZ is not a VM, it's a chroot on steroids.
I don't think it's possible to migrate a VM from VBOX/VMWare to OenVZ.

If you are just looking to automate the building of a VM, take a look at Ansible.

Best regards,
Pedro Silva

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rick christian wrote to All <=-

Moving VM's from the various VM solutions can be done ie: VMware

<->VBOX, but I've not seen anything like that for something like:

VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ

Those are different kind of virtualization technologies. Being VBOX and VMware more similar but OpenVZ is not a VM, it's a chroot on steroids.
I don't think it's possible to migrate a VM from VBOX/VMWare to OenVZ.

If you are just looking to automate the building of a VM, take a look at Ansible.

Best regards,
Pedro Silva

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On 09/29/2016 09:58 AM, Robert Wolfe -> Rick Christian wrote:
un across anything like this that searches are not showing.

Have you tried the free V2V conversion utility by StarWind yet by any chance?

Thanks, but not a chance:"In order to run StarWind V2V, Windows XP or higher is
required."

No windumber here! ;) Has not been in several decades.

I love VMWare but they make it incredibly difficult to use their product, esepcially ESXi, when you don't use an inferior "os" as the management tool base. So we don't use ESXI, or well we did till they removed all the Linux tools in later releases. So now we just use the free Player which does what we need even if you need to massage it a little by hand to create things.

Its FREE!


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rick christian wrote to All <=-

VBOX -> OpenVZ
Vmware -> OpenVZ

Yeah, apparently it's doable, just take the VMDK images from your
local VMware install and import them into OpenVZ.

Don't install VMware tools on the local image of course.

https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/27331/migrate-vmware-esxi-to-proxmox-and-openvz

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Those are different kind of virtualization technologies. Being VBOX and VMware
more similar but OpenVZ is not a VM, it's a chroot on steroids.
I don't think it's possible to migrate a VM from VBOX/VMWare to OenVZ.

Thanks, I am aware of that... but tools often appear to deal with this.. just as there are P2V and V2P systems, and V2V in that VMware and VBox can import some of each others stuff, even if it needs to wash through some thing else ie:
OVA.

If you are just looking to automate the building of a VM, take a look at Ansible.

No, not really.. ... completely..


There is a lot of issues with this suggestion

1) COST! If it ain't free, I don't care about it.
1a) YEARLY COST
1b) even at $5K/YR thats a LOT HARDWARE I can purchase.


2) Overkill

3) RH... Sorry, but RH and I don't get along... suffice it to say they don't want desktop customers, they don't want us/me, so be it! Plus RPM's just leave me even more disgusted than compiling. Just RH and anything related or tainted by them just well irritates me.


I would much rather build stuff locally and then scp/rysnc it over or something.. versus snapshots/restores. And in one case one DC can't do that, its an issue we brought up which means that in some cases multi providers are needed.. we prefer not to do that (yes it may/might/is good practice to have multiple vendors... finding MULTIPLE GOOD vendors as one of our main ones.. is tough to impossible... and we ain't touching EC2 crap!).

I guess we might find some $$$ in the hardware budget and setup something that is based on OVZ and then setup our own local system and then find out if these steps for moving actually work.

Alot more of this has to with not putting my team to develop something that exists already.. but it seems a 100% automated process for this as turnkey package doesn't exist.


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On 10/01/2016 05:55 AM, Sampsa Laine -> rick christian wrote:

Yeah, apparently it's doable, just take the VMDK images from your
local VMware install and import them into OpenVZ. https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/27331/migrate-vmware-esxi-to-proxmox-and-openvz

This sort of mimics something here:

https://wiki.openvz.org/Physical_to_container

I was more interested in finding something more turnkey versus developing something or manual interventions.

Don't install VMware tools on the local image of course.

the tools for either are really more for the desktop VM setups where they need special shims for X. 99% of what we do VM wise is headless where those tools don't offer anything.


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rick christian wrote to Sampsa Laine <=-

Don't install VMware tools on the local image of course.

the tools for either are really more for the desktop VM setups where
they need special shims for X. 99% of what we do VM wise is headless
where those tools don't offer anything.

I use them sometimes to share files between the VM and the host, but have basically set up a FreeNAS VM for that now.

Most modern distros come with like a OpenVM Tools thing anyway so they're
not that useful, I agree.

Sampsa

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rick christian wrote to Sampsa Laine <=-

Don't install VMware tools on the local image of course.

the tools for either are really more for the desktop VM setups where
they need special shims for X. 99% of what we do VM wise is headless
where those tools don't offer anything.

I use them sometimes to share files between the VM and the host, but have basically set up a FreeNAS VM for that now.

Most modern distros come with like a OpenVM Tools thing anyway so they're
not that useful, I agree.

Sampsa

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rick christian wrote to Sampsa Laine <=-

Don't install VMware tools on the local image of course.

the tools for either are really more for the desktop VM setups where
they need special shims for X. 99% of what we do VM wise is headless
where those tools don't offer anything.

I use them sometimes to share files between the VM and the host, but have basically set up a FreeNAS VM for that now.

Most modern distros come with like a OpenVM Tools thing anyway so they're
not that useful, I agree.

Sampsa

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19 Oct 16 19:36, you wrote to rick christian:

Don't install VMware tools on the local image of course.

the tools for either are really more for the desktop VM setups where
they need special shims for X. 99% of what we do VM wise is headless
where those tools don't offer anything.

I use them sometimes to share files between the VM and the host, but have basically set up a FreeNAS VM for that now.

Most modern distros come with like a OpenVM Tools thing anyway so they're not that useful, I agree.

got this post three times with the same PATH and different MSGIDs... are you connected directly to 1:123/500? that's the first system seen in all three PATHs...

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On 10/19/2016 03:36 PM, Sampsa Laine -> rick christian wrote:

I use them sometimes to share files between the VM and the host, but have basically set up a FreeNAS VM for that now.

I just scp or rysnc them or Samba shares...

Most modern distros come with like a OpenVM Tools thing anyway so they're not that useful, I agree.

The tools really are mainly to facilitate shared folders, cut n paste etc., seamless windows between the Host and guests... since the guests for the most part are just server setups with no X, no big deal.. like I listed above I just
scp or rysnc stuff over mostly, and can if need be pass it via Samba share that
the router provides... I guess you could use FUSE and sshfs or something too or
NFS etc. too...


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19 Oct 16 19:36, you wrote to rick christian:

Don't install VMware tools on the local image of course.

the tools for either are really more for the desktop VM setups where
they need special shims for X. 99% of what we do VM wise is headless
where those tools don't offer anything.

I use them sometimes to share files between the VM and the host, but have basically set up a FreeNAS VM for that now.

Most modern distros come with like a OpenVM Tools thing anyway so they're not that useful, I agree.

got this post three times with the same PATH and different MSGIDs...
are you connected directly to 1:123/500? that's the first system seen
in all three PATHs...

I was being a retard, upload the same .REP packet and Synchronet didn't
detect it as a dupe.

Sorry guys.

Sampsa


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On 10/19/2016 03:36 PM, Sampsa Laine -> rick christian wrote:

could use FUSE and sshfs or something too or NFS etc. too...

FUSE + sshfs is actually a great idea, no need to set up anything
except pubkey auth and off you go.

NFS mounts are OK too - I even play with iSCSI but more out of
interest than any real actual point.

The best part about FreeNAS is that since it's BSD it automatically
uses ZFS with lz4 compression so if you're storing a lot of text
etc you get more space at the cost of some (fairly minimal) CPU
overhead.

Sampsa

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25 Oct 16 01:36, you wrote to me:

got this post three times with the same PATH and different MSGIDs...
are you connected directly to 1:123/500? that's the first system seen
in all three PATHs...

I was being a retard, upload the same .REP packet and Synchronet
didn't detect it as a dupe.

i remember those days :lol:

Sorry guys.

no problem... just wanted to let you know about it in case there was a problem needing to be dealt with :)

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