• Zoom anyone?

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to All on Fri Apr 10 10:45:00 2020
    Hello!


    Anyone here have experience with Zoom?

    I've been invited to participate in a session. I've read the basic requirements and process. But I need to know if even the web/client
    option requires a download. The docs seem to have conflicting
    information. The Zoom page says:

    "The Zoom web client allows joining a Zoom meeting or webinar *without* downloading any plugins or software."

    But then further in it says:

    "You do not have to have a Zoom account to attend a Zoom meeting
    or interview. You will be prompted to "download" the software, once you
    have clicked on the link that you have been provided."

    So, which is it? Download or no download? I would like to know in
    advance because my data plan is capped and I don't want to download any client software. The data stream will probably consume plenty of data
    just the same.

    Which brings me to the next question. How much data would a typical connection consume in one minute?




    ../|ug

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 10 17:51:58 2020
    Hi August,

    On 2020-04-10 10:45:00, you wrote to All:

    Anyone here have experience with Zoom?

    I've been invited to participate in a session. I've read the basic requirements and process. But I need to know if even the web/client option requires a download. The docs seem to have conflicting information. The Zoom page says:

    "The Zoom web client allows joining a Zoom meeting or webinar *without* downloading any plugins or software."

    But then further in it says:

    "You do not have to have a Zoom account to attend a Zoom meeting or interview. You will be prompted to "download" the software, once you have clicked on the link that you have been provided."

    So, which is it? Download or no download? I would like to know in advance because my data plan is capped and I don't want to download any client software. The data stream will probably consume plenty of data just the same.

    Which brings me to the next question. How much data would a typical connection consume in one minute?

    I have no experience with the application myself, but Zoom has had a lot of bad
    publicity lately. Basically they steal, use and sell every bit of information they can get there hands on from your applience, with or without your consent. So if you value your privacy don't use Zoom...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Apr 10 13:18:00 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** 10.04.20 - 17:51, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    I have no experience with the application myself, but Zoom has had a lot
    of bad publicity lately. Basically they steal, use and sell every bit of
    information they can get there hands on from your applience, with or
    without your consent. So if you value your privacy don't use Zoom...

    The Zoom docs/manual does not mention anything about security/privacy. I missed that the first time. But now that you mention it, the privacy
    aspect is completely missing.

    It does boast "private" sessions.. but that is not the same as encrypted
    or truly private.

    Zoom seems to cater to the "if it's free, it can't hurt (I have nothing to hide), and it's fun!" mentality (aka, the mezmerized uneducated minions).

    In return for "free", they probably take the position to collect the meta data or include a bot on your pc to monitor your use.

    OTOH, https://jitsi.org/ promises privacy. It might the better choice if anyone cares about privacy.


    ../|ug

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Apr 10 14:01:00 2020
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** 10.04.20 - 17:51, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    I have no experience with the application myself, but Zoom has had a lot
    of bad publicity lately. Basically they steal, use and sell every bit of
    information they can get there hands on from your applience, with or
    without your consent. So if you value your privacy don't use Zoom...

    I found a report of that matter here:

    https://protonmail.com/blog/zoom-privacy-issues/

    It highlights the following paragraph in the Privacy Policy:

    "In its privacy policy, under the entry "Does Zoom sell Personal Data?" the policy says, "Depends what you mean by `sell.'" To summarize Zoom's policy, they say they don't sell personal data for money to third parties, but it does share personal data with third parties for those companies' "business purposes." In its privacy policy, it gives the example that it
    may pass your personal information to Google."

    But who reads the Privacy Policy, to see that?

    So they don't "sell", but they give it away. Yeah, sure I'll believe that
    if I was born yesterday. They don't do that without some form of monetary advantage. Otherwise, what's the point? Free tickets to concerts? Free Amazon Prime accounts? Everything in business has a "value" and it must
    be given a $ value. That's essentially a "sell".


    "An article in Vice pointed out that the Zoom iOS app shared a
    substantial amount of user data with Facebook, even if the user does not
    have a Facebook account. However, two days after this story was published, Zoom removed the code that sent data to Facebook."

    THAT is incredibly unethical in the first place. So, they only stopped it when they were outted.

    Pathetic.

    The whole Protonmail article is a big revelation on Zoom and their
    practices. It even has tips for using it (if you must) better.

    Happy Zooming - if you dare.




    ../|ug

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 10 20:52:45 2020
    Hi August,

    On 2020-04-10 13:18:00, you wrote to me:

    It does boast "private" sessions.. but that is not the same as
    encrypted or truly private.

    Someone said you should regard the "private" video conferences you have: as a loud conversation in a public place. If you don't mind that, you could use Zoom.

    Zoom seems to cater to the "if it's free, it can't hurt (I have
    nothing to hide), and it's fun!" mentality (aka, the mezmerized
    uneducated minions).

    Maybe the stupid should be protected against the devious?

    OTOH, https://jitsi.org/ promises privacy. It might the better
    choice if anyone cares about privacy.

    Jitsi was sort of recommended by a Dutch privacy organisation, as being the least bad choice privacy wise. Given the small amount of time they could spend on investigating the alternatives for Zoom.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Thierry Olmedo@4:900/106 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 11 02:02:17 2020

    Hello August!

    10 Apr 20 10:45, you wrote to all:

    So, which is it? Download or no download? I would like to know in advance because my data plan is capped and I don't want to download
    any client software. The data stream will probably consume plenty of data just the same.

    I don't have internet in this machine , but i think that zoom is not very safe lately , search in google "Thousands of Zoom video calls left exposed on open web" , few days ago

    regards



    Thierry


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