If the name Ken Ham rings a bell, it's because he's the dipwit who
opened that Kentucky creationist museum, with full-size models of
dinosaurs, sporting saddles.

From WingNutDaily...I mean WorldNetDaily:

"Prevent your children from leaving the faith this Christmas?

If you look around in your church today, two-thirds of the young people
have already left in their hearts; soon they will be gone for good.

That is the alarming conclusion of the first scientific study of its
kind, the Beemer Report, which reveals startling facts discovered
through 20,000 phone calls and detailed surveys of a thousand 20-29 year
olds who used to attend evangelical churches on a regular basis, but
have since left it behind.

In "Already Gone: Why your kids will quit church and what you can do to
stop it," popular author Ken Ham and consumer behavior analyst, C. Britt Beemer, combine to reveal trends that must be dealt with now... before
we lose another generation.

The study found that we are losing our kids in elementary, middle
school, and high school rather than college, and the Sunday school
syndrome is contributing to the epidemic, rather than helping alleviate
it.

The results are not just surprising; they're shocking:

* Those who faithfully attend Sunday School are more likely to leave the
church than those who do not.

* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are more likely to believe
that the Bible is less true.

* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are actually more likely to
defend that abortion and gay marriage should be legal.

* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are actually more likely to
defend premarital sex.

The trends may unnerve you - they may shake long-held assumptions to the
core - but "Already Gone" shows how to fight back for our families, our churches and our world.

In the "Already Gone" companion DVD, Ken Ham discusses the profound
cultural changes taking place in our Western world, as God's Word is
rejected and man's fallible ideas are welcomed. Ken relates some of the shocking statistics presented in the book, and reveals the reasons why
young people are leaving church and abandoning the faith of their
parents."

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From WingNutDaily...I mean WorldNetDaily:

"Prevent your children from leaving the faith this Christmas?

If you look around in your church today, two-thirds of the young people
have already left in their hearts; soon they will be gone for good.

That is the alarming conclusion of the first scientific study of its
kind, the Beemer Report, which reveals startling facts discovered
through 20,000 phone calls and detailed surveys of a thousand 20-29 year olds who used to attend evangelical churches on a regular basis, but
have since left it behind.

In "Already Gone: Why your kids will quit church and what you can do to
stop it,"

I'd like to know what he things can be 'done about it' ...:-)

popular author Ken Ham and consumer behavior analyst, C. Britt

Beemer, combine to reveal trends that must be dealt with now... before
we lose another generation.

Deal with them trends!

The study found that we are losing our kids in elementary, middle
school, and high school rather than college, and the Sunday school
syndrome is contributing to the epidemic, rather than helping alleviate
it.

I knew that.

The results are not just surprising; they're shocking:

Not surprising, not shocking.

* Those who faithfully attend Sunday School are more likely to leave the church than those who do not.

Of course ANY analysis, questioning will do it. Pasters are about 80 years behind in biblical study. A case in point: (Oops it's not nice to dis
another echo...)

* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are more likely to believe
that the Bible is less true.

Literalism is bound to decline.

* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are actually more likely to defend that abortion and gay marriage should be legal.

That's not Sunday school, that is sanity coming to the surface...

* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are actually more likely to defend premarital sex.

(Guilt sometimes comes out when taking a survey...) :-)

The trends may unnerve you - they may shake long-held assumptions to the core - but "Already Gone" shows how to fight back for our families, our churches and our world.

Oh, sure (yawn)

In the "Already Gone" companion DVD, Ken Ham discusses the profound
cultural changes taking place in our Western world, as God's Word is rejected and man's fallible ideas are welcomed. Ken relates some of the shocking statistics presented in the book, and reveals the reasons why
young people are leaving church and abandoning the faith of their
parents."

I though he was going to have some earth changing suggestions as to what to
do about this terrible terrible condition.
I've a clue:
Just tell the truth as best we know.
Lower textual criticism and hermeneutics are seldom espoused from the Lectern. When churchmen stop being afraid of the truth and of losing their exalted position...
Perhaps the morality as taught by Jesus might come into play.
NOONE pays attention to the Sermon on the Mount...when my Church proclaimed
'no one can' and 'it's just there to indicate that you need to be saved' is when I gave up.
Few pastors would like to have ME give a bible-class. It's one helluva good book. :-)
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"JOHNJWILSON -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in
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* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are more likely to

believe -> that the Bible is less true.

Literalism is bound to decline.

That's the whole concept behind Ken Ham's way of thinking, John.

Ham is a Biblical literalist, and Young-Earth Creationist.
To him, every word in the Bible is absoutely a fact, and the universe is
less than 10,000 years old.

That's why his "museum" in Kentucky puts saddles on dinosaur models.

Ham's brand of literalism is on the decline, and that's what scares the porkeptsies out of him and his bunch.

Hence his essay here at one of the few places that would actually publish
it, WorldNetDaily.

You know even Chuck Norris and Pat Boone write for that website?

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* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are more likely to

believe -> that the Bible is less true.

Literalism is bound to decline.

That's the whole concept behind Ken Ham's way of thinking, John.

This is the first I've heard of him.

Ham is a Biblical literalist, and Young-Earth Creationist.
To him, every word in the Bible is absoutely a fact, and the universe is less than 10,000 years old.

April of 4004 B.C., I belief. Wait. That's NOT what I believe! :-)
Bishop Usser. (Ussher?)...

That's why his "museum" in Kentucky puts saddles on dinosaur models.

Yee hah! (Wonder what the saddles are made off. Probably plastic, and he's
got one hell of a story about THAT! )

Ham's brand of literalism is on the decline, and that's what scares the porkeptsies out of him and his bunch.

Loss of power, loss of influence, loss of money. Still, there are churches in Texas with 10,000 members...
Churches should go belly up as soon as they really figure out the
internet...I think by next year I'll have gotten around to putting my
Church on line...look for the Church of Variable Likelihood dot something

Hence his essay here at one of the few places that would actually

publish

it, WorldNetDaily.

I've heard of 'em. Never read it.

You know even Chuck Norris and Pat Boone write for that website?

Do you know whose opinions I not give a rats ass about? Is there any reason
you know why I should? Now -- I can give a dozen reasons why THEY should
pay attention to MINE...:-)
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"JOHNJWILSON -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in
news:10626$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

* Those who regularly attend Sunday School are more likely to

believe -> that the Bible is less true.

Literalism is bound to decline.

That's the whole concept behind Ken Ham's way of thinking, John.

This is the first I've heard of him.

You need to watch more TV. <G>

Ham is a Biblical literalist, and Young-Earth Creationist.
To him, every word in the Bible is absoutely a fact, and the

universe is -> less than 10,000 years old.

April of 4004 B.C., I belief. Wait. That's NOT what I believe! :-)
Bishop Usser. (Ussher?)...

Yeah, he came to that date by counting all the "begats."

That's why his "museum" in Kentucky puts saddles on dinosaur

models. Yee hah! (Wonder what the saddles are made off. Probably
plastic, and he's got one hell of a story about THAT! )

All the credible evidence says dinosaurs died off 65 million years ago,
while a few smaller ones may have evolved into birds.

Ham's brand of literalism is on the decline, and that's what scares

the -> porkeptsies out of him and his bunch.

Loss of power, loss of influence, loss of money. Still, there are
churches in Texas with 10,000 members...

I don't like those megachurches.
Usually they devote most of their service to fundraising.

Churches should go belly up as soon as they really figure out the internet...I think by next year I'll have gotten around to putting my Church on line...look for the Church of Variable Likelihood dot
something

You should do that, just for the heck of it.

Hence his essay here at one of the few places that would actually

publish

it, WorldNetDaily.

I've heard of 'em. Never read it.

Really stupid bunch.

You know even Chuck Norris and Pat Boone write for that website?

Do you know whose opinions I not give a rats ass about? Is there any
reason you know why I should? Now -- I can give a dozen reasons why
THEY should pay attention to MINE...:-)

You'd never make it at WND.
You're too intelligent. <G>

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