• About time!

    From Ed Hulett@1:123/789 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sun Apr 18 13:23:55 2010
    On 04/17/2010 06:48 AM, TIM RICHARDSON -> ED HULETT wrote:
    On 04-16-10, ED HULETT said to ROSS SAUER:

    On 04/16/2010 02:13 PM, Ross Sauer -> WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote:

    <nonsense snipped>

    Today on Fox News they had their "bubble-headed bleach blonde" (my
    thanks to Don Henley for the song lyrics,) who really showed just how
    stupid the Christian prayer pimps can be.

    Megyn Kelly is a lawyer, you moron. In a debate she would bury you in a


    Add yet another successful woman to the long list of successful women, who cause Otto to feel his abject failure in life overwhelming him.

    Ar-Kay Otto hates women as evidenced by his treatment of his own sister for listening to a band he doesn't like.

    Megan Kelly is a successful. highly educated attorney, a Fox News legal anylist, and knowledgeable commentator.

    And she has her own show on Fox New Network.

    She makes a living for herself, and does not rely on the U.S. taxpayers to support her.

    Most likely she doesn't live in a dingy section 8 apartment that was converted from an old abandoned motel either.

    Ed

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  • From JOHNJWILSON@1:123/140 to ROSS CASSELL on Sun Apr 18 22:42:58 2010

    Yet, many other of faith are exactly the same way as you describe your
    mother.

    However, if the faith as you said above, is phony, then your own mother
    must
    also have a phony faith.. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

    Because all of the tens of millions of Catholics think exactly alike.
    Cool beans.

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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to All on Thu Apr 15 19:47:45 2010
    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of their beloved phony faith.


    It's not every day that the president of the United States gets enjoined -- prohibited by judicial order from a certain action -- but it happened on
    April 15, 2010.

    U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb decided in favor of the Freedom From
    Religion Foundation in a ruling that the federal law designating a National
    Day of Prayer and requiring a National Day of Prayer proclamation by the president violates the establishment clause of the Constitution's First Amendment.

    In her ruling, Judge Crabb wrote: "The same law that prohibits the
    government from declaring a National Day of Prayer also prohibits it from declaring a National Day of Blasphemy."

    The Foundation filed its groundbreaking suit in October 2008. Plaintiffs besides the Foundation are Anne Nicol Gaylor, Annie Laurie Gaylor, Dan
    Barker, Paul Gaylor, Phyllis Rose and Jill Dean, who are all Foundation officers or board members. Defendants are President Barack Obama and Robert Gibbs, his press secretary. Original defendants were President George Bush
    and Dana Perino, his press secretary at the time.

    http://ffrf.org/news/releases/ffrf-wins-national-day-of-prayer-case

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  • From Ross Cassell@1:123/456 to Ross Sauer on Thu Apr 15 21:12:47 2010
    Hello Ross!

    15 Apr 10 19:47, you wrote to All:

    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of their beloved phony faith.

    What have you told your mother about her phony faith?

    ==
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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to Ross Cassell on Thu Apr 15 21:37:23 2010
    "Ross Cassell -> Ross Sauer" <1:123/456> wrote in news:10775 $HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of their
    beloved phony faith.

    What have you told your mother about her phony faith?

    My Mom doesn't make a big deal about praying in public. IF she prays in
    public at all outside of church. She also didn't pray on the "National Day
    Of Prayer," like the phony prayer pimps want her to.

    Her religion is a personal preference, something private and not to be exploited by pandering politicians like Newt "Cheated on two ex-wives but
    still goes for the holier than thou" Gingrich.

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  • From Ross Cassell@1:123/456 to Ross Sauer on Thu Apr 15 21:39:10 2010
    Hello Ross!

    15 Apr 10 21:37, you wrote to me:

    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of
    their beloved phony faith.

    What have you told your mother about her phony faith?

    My Mom doesn't make a big deal about praying in public. IF she prays
    in public at all outside of church. She also didn't pray on the
    "National Day Of Prayer," like the phony prayer pimps want her to.

    Her religion is a personal preference, something private and not to be exploited by pandering politicians like Newt "Cheated on two ex-wives
    but still goes for the holier than thou" Gingrich.

    Yet, many other of faith are exactly the same way as you describe your mother.

    AAMOF, I havent remotely seen Ed Hulett spout out his Mormonism in these echoes, yet you venomously insult him, his faith and him because of his choice of faith..

    However, if the faith as you said above, is phony, then your own mother must also have a phony faith.. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

    ==
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  • From Ed Hulett@1:123/789 to Ross Cassell on Thu Apr 15 22:10:01 2010
    On 04/15/2010 06:39 PM, Ross Cassell -> Ross Sauer wrote:
    Hello Ross!

    15 Apr 10 21:37, you wrote to me:

    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of
    their beloved phony faith.

    What have you told your mother about her phony faith?

    My Mom doesn't make a big deal about praying in public. IF she prays
    in public at all outside of church. She also didn't pray on the
    "National Day Of Prayer," like the phony prayer pimps want her to.

    Her religion is a personal preference, something private and not to be
    exploited by pandering politicians like Newt "Cheated on two ex-wives
    but still goes for the holier than thou" Gingrich.

    Yet, many other of faith are exactly the same way as you describe your mother.

    Don't confuse him with facts. Not once have I tried to force him to believe as I do, but he has repeatedly disparaged me for not believing as he does. I'm fine with his not believing.

    AAMOF, I havent remotely seen Ed Hulett spout out his Mormonism in these echoes, yet you venomously insult him, his faith and him because of his choice of faith..

    You have to consider the source. Ar-Kay, while claiming he has the right to be without faith (how anyone could actually want to be without faith in anything is a mystery), he doesn't like to allow anyone else to their beliefs. It burns him up that someone may be happy with their own faith.

    However, if the faith as you said above, is phony, then your own mother must also have a phony faith.. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

    He's not deep enough to understand that concept.

    Ed

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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to Ross Cassell on Thu Apr 15 23:33:58 2010
    "Ross Cassell -> Ross Sauer" <1:123/456> wrote in news:10777$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of
    their beloved phony faith.

    What have you told your mother about her phony faith?

    My Mom doesn't make a big deal about praying in public. IF she
    prays RS> in public at all outside of church. She also didn't pray
    on the RS> "National Day Of Prayer," like the phony prayer pimps
    want her to.

    Her religion is a personal preference, something private and not
    to be RS> exploited by pandering politicians like Newt "Cheated on
    two ex-wives RS> but still goes for the holier than thou" Gingrich.

    Yet, many other of faith are exactly the same way as you describe your mother.

    Most are.
    It's the "God is a republican" and "We need to take the country back for
    Jesus" hypocrites, theocrats and con artists that are to be condemned.

    AAMOF, I havent remotely seen Ed Hulett spout out his Mormonism in
    these echoes, yet you venomously insult him, his faith and him because
    of his choice of faith..

    Lets take a look at Christianity.
    It's an offshoot of Judaism, basically a cult that got official
    recognition from the big brass, namely Emperor Constantine.

    Mormonism began when a known con artist named Joseph Smith graduated
    from looking for treasure for fees, to beginning his own religion.
    He became an instant martyr when a few of his odd pronouncements,
    (especially the ones about taking more than one wife,) set the "good Christians" off and they murdered Smith.
    Mormons fled the state they were in and settled in what is now Utah.
    A cult offshoot of Christianity that didn't die out.

    Cults pop up from time to time, and a lot of them die out. Usually after
    cult leaders are caught in financial or sexual shenanigans.
    Others continue even after the cult leader dies, like the
    Scientologists.

    However, if the faith as you said above, is phony, then your own
    mother must also have a phony faith.. You cant have your cake and eat
    it too.

    I'm not going to re-hash the crap about what is a cult and what isn't.

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  • From Ross Cassell@1:123/456 to Ross Sauer on Fri Apr 16 09:57:32 2010
    Hello Ross!

    15 Apr 10 23:33, you wrote to me:

    Yet, many other of faith are exactly the same way as you describe
    your mother.

    Most are.
    It's the "God is a republican" and "We need to take the country back
    for Jesus" hypocrites, theocrats and con artists that are to be
    condemned.

    But you dont make this distinction when you demean them or their faith.

    and I seriously doubt any are trying to make you believe.

    Lets take a look at Christianity.
    It's an offshoot of Judaism, basically a cult that got official recognition from the big brass, namely Emperor Constantine.

    So what..

    Accepting gay marriage, allowing bookoo abortions are relatively new concepts.

    Mormonism began when a known con artist named Joseph Smith graduated
    from looking for treasure for fees, to beginning his own religion.
    He became an instant martyr when a few of his odd pronouncements, (especially the ones about taking more than one wife,) set the "good Christians" off and they murdered Smith.
    Mormons fled the state they were in and settled in what is now Utah.
    A cult offshoot of Christianity that didn't die out.

    Cults pop up from time to time, and a lot of them die out. Usually
    after cult leaders are caught in financial or sexual
    shenanigans. Others continue even after the cult leader dies, like the Scientologists.

    So you are the great approver of beliefs?

    However, if the faith as you said above, is phony, then your own
    mother must also have a phony faith.. You cant have your cake and
    eat it too.

    I'm not going to re-hash the crap about what is a cult and what isn't.

    It doesnt matter, you called all faiths phony, therefore your mothers faith is phony to!

    ==
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  • From WAYNE CHIRNSIDE@1:123/140 to ROSS SAUER on Fri Apr 16 09:57:00 2010
    ROSS SAUER wrote to ALL <=-

    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of their beloved phony faith.


    It's not every day that the president of the United States gets
    enjoined -- prohibited by judicial order from a certain action -- but
    it happened on April 15, 2010.

    U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb decided in favor of the Freedom From Religion Foundation in a ruling that the federal law designating a National Day of Prayer and requiring a National Day of Prayer
    proclamation by the president violates the establishment clause of the Constitution's First Amendment.

    In her ruling, Judge Crabb wrote: "The same law that prohibits the government from declaring a National Day of Prayer also prohibits it
    from declaring a National Day of Blasphemy."

    The Foundation filed its groundbreaking suit in October 2008.
    Plaintiffs besides the Foundation are Anne Nicol Gaylor, Annie Laurie Gaylor, Dan Barker, Paul Gaylor, Phyllis Rose and Jill Dean, who are
    all Foundation officers or board members. Defendants are President
    Barack Obama and Robert Gibbs, his press secretary. Original defendants were President George Bush and Dana Perino, his press secretary at the time.

    http://ffrf.org/news/releases/ffrf-wins-national-day-of-prayer-case

    I'm still a pastafarian, his noodliness be praised.

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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Fri Apr 16 17:13:20 2010
    "WAYNE CHIRNSIDE -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in news:10781$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

    ROSS SAUER wrote to ALL <=-

    Now watch, the public prayer pimps will come to the rescue of
    their RS> beloved phony faith.


    It's not every day that the president of the United States gets
    enjoined -- prohibited by judicial order from a certain action
    -- but RS> it happened on April 15, 2010.

    U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb decided in favor of the
    Freedom From RS> Religion Foundation in a ruling that the federal
    law designating a RS> National Day of Prayer and requiring a
    National Day of Prayer RS> proclamation by the president violates
    the establishment clause of the RS> Constitution's First Amendment.

    In her ruling, Judge Crabb wrote: "The same law that prohibits
    the RS> government from declaring a National Day of Prayer also
    prohibits it RS> from declaring a National Day of Blasphemy."

    The Foundation filed its groundbreaking suit in October 2008.
    Plaintiffs besides the Foundation are Anne Nicol Gaylor, Annie
    Laurie RS> Gaylor, Dan Barker, Paul Gaylor, Phyllis Rose and Jill
    Dean, who are RS> all Foundation officers or board members.
    Defendants are President RS> Barack Obama and Robert Gibbs, his
    press secretary. Original defendants RS> were President George Bush
    and Dana Perino, his press secretary at the RS> time.


    http://ffrf.org/news/releases/ffrf-wins-national-day-of-prayer-case

    I'm still a pastafarian, his noodliness be praised.

    Hee hee!

    Today on Fox News they had their "bubble-headed bleach blonde" (my
    thanks to Don Henley for the song lyrics,) who really showed just how
    stupid the Christian prayer pimps can be.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201004160043

    Occasionally live television provides a vivid display of the mental
    gymnastics and cognitive dissonance deployed to advance an argument.
    Take Fox News' Megyn Kelly, who recently asked what was so "promotional
    about religion" in setting aside a day to celebrate "the role that God
    has played in the formation of this country and its laws."

    Discussing a court ruling that declared national prayer day
    unconstitutional, Kelly hosted Barry Lynn, executive director of
    Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Lynn set forth
    an argument against the appropriateness of the government setting aside
    a day to commemorate prayer:

    "Prayer is religious. It's nothing but that. There is no secular purpose
    here. This isn't like declaring Christmas a holiday, which the federal government does, because that's got not just religious rituals, but now
    glommed onto it all secular rituals. National Day of Prayer is only
    about religion. There is nothing secular about it."

    At this point, Kelly jumped in to display an astounding failure to grasp
    the concept:

    "Why can't it be a day where people acknowledge not just prayer, but
    they are encouraged to meditate as well, which is not necessarily
    prayer? And why can't it be a day where we take a moment and we stop and
    we acknowledge the role that God has played in the formation of this
    country and its laws. What's so promotional about religion there?"

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  • From Ed Hulett@1:123/789 to Ross Sauer on Fri Apr 16 17:55:05 2010
    On 04/16/2010 02:13 PM, Ross Sauer -> WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote:

    <nonsense snipped>

    Today on Fox News they had their "bubble-headed bleach blonde" (my
    thanks to Don Henley for the song lyrics,) who really showed just how stupid the Christian prayer pimps can be.

    Megyn Kelly is a lawyer, you moron. In a debate she would bury you in a second.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201004160043

    And here you go to your usual left-wing attack site.

    Occasionally live television provides a vivid display of the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance deployed to advance an argument.
    Take Fox News' Megyn Kelly, who recently asked what was so "promotional about religion" in setting aside a day to celebrate "the role that God
    has played in the formation of this country and its laws."

    Discussing a court ruling that declared national prayer day unconstitutional, Kelly hosted Barry Lynn, executive director of
    Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Lynn set forth
    an argument against the appropriateness of the government setting aside
    a day to commemorate prayer:

    "Prayer is religious. It's nothing but that. There is no secular purpose here. This isn't like declaring Christmas a holiday, which the federal government does, because that's got not just religious rituals, but now glommed onto it all secular rituals. National Day of Prayer is only
    about religion. There is nothing secular about it."

    At this point, Kelly jumped in to display an astounding failure to grasp the concept:

    "Why can't it be a day where people acknowledge not just prayer, but
    they are encouraged to meditate as well, which is not necessarily
    prayer? And why can't it be a day where we take a moment and we stop and we acknowledge the role that God has played in the formation of this country and its laws. What's so promotional about religion there?"

    To which the AUSCS guy had no real answer.

    A day of prayer is NOT a violation of the establishment clause in the First Amendment. It does NOT promote any particular religion, nor does it require anyone to participate if they choose not to.

    The First Amendment does NOT guarantee freedom from religion. It only states that the federal government cannot establish a particular religion as the official religion while protecting the free exercise of religion to all who want to. The original intent wasn't even a limit on state governments since some of the original states had official churches.

    Of course, discussing this with the likes of you is akin to trying to medicate a dead man -- it's a waste of time. You aren't smart enough to discuss Constitutional law.

    Ed

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ED HULETT on Sat Apr 17 09:48:00 2010
    On 04-16-10, ED HULETT said to ROSS SAUER:

    On 04/16/2010 02:13 PM, Ross Sauer -> WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote:

    <nonsense snipped>

    Today on Fox News they had their "bubble-headed bleach blonde" (my
    thanks to Don Henley for the song lyrics,) who really showed just how stupid the Christian prayer pimps can be.

    Megyn Kelly is a lawyer, you moron. In a debate she would bury you in a


    Add yet another successful woman to the long list of successful women, who cause Otto to feel his abject failure in life overwhelming him.


    Megan Kelly is a successful. highly educated attorney, a Fox News legal anylist, and knowledgeable commentator.


    She makes a living for herself, and does not rely on the U.S. taxpayers to support her.

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