• Catholicism in peril?

    From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ROSS SAUER on Sat Mar 27 10:45:00 2010
    On 03-27-10, JOHNJWILSON said to ROSS SAUER:

    But Cardinal Bertone halted the process after Father Murphy personally
    wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger protesting that he should not be put on
    trial because he had already repented and was in poor health and that
    the case was beyond the church's own statute of limitations.


    "I simply want to live out the time that I have left in the dignity of
    my priesthood,"


    I have a problem with the church (`any' church, including the Catholic church) having the sort of power they've weilded over the centuries, since the time of Christ.



    Father Murphy wrote near the end of his life to Cardinal
    Ratzinger. "I ask your kind assistance in this matter." The files
    contain no response from Cardinal Ratzinger.


    A church which does not give up those who engage in molesting children, bears the weight of guilt right along with the perpetrator of such crimes. There is no excuse for shielding someone who is nothing more than a pedophile in the guise of a member of the clergy.


    One would think that a church such as the Catholic church, would have put its own reputation for spotlessness, over the sorry character-flawed individuals
    in its midst who stoop to molesting children, and refused to shield them from prosecution. Not to mention drumming such individuals out of the church altogether!


    Christianity says it's big on forgiveness...Too big?


    When I was growing up, and had the principles of `Chritianity' fed to me on a daily basis, a large part of the teachings of that Christianity involved accepting responsibility for misdeeds, and taking whatever punishment was
    meted out as part of the `forgiveness' process.


    Forgiveness does not (and should not) involve the absence of punishment for such criminal behavior as molesting children placed in one's care.


    Where `forgiveness' is part of Christ's blessing.....acceptance of the punishment accompanying conviction of the crimes, is also part of that `forgiveness'. Its known (or `used' to be known) as `attonement'.


    To be completely forgiven for a serious misdeed, one was expected to attone
    for one's evil act. Part of the `forgiveness' process for clergy who molest children should be removal from the priesthood (for life). Suspension of participation in the sacrements until such time as the attonement process (the prison sentence in this case) has been completed. And refusal of burial in sacred ground, ever.


    I further had a big problem with a church (the Catholic church) with its own bank, with billions of dollars in its possession, and yet so many Catholic organizations in poor countries having to rely on donations from private sources in order to continue to help poor people. But that subject is left for a different sort of argument.


    I have always maintained that, where there are many professions in which pedophiles and homosexual molesters are active, the priesthood is the most common for a reason;


    The catholic priesthood is easier to enter into, become ordained, and
    assigned to a place where children are easily victimized.


    Becoming involved in professions that offer similar opportunities, such as teachers, or medical doctors, etc, are far more difficult to get into.


    For one thing (probably the most common reason) it costs a great deal of money to get a medical degree, or a teaching credit.


    Not so the catholic priesthood. Its free.


    Secondly, most who enter the priesthood do not have the brains to successfully achieve degrees in medicine or education.




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  • From JOHNJWILSON@1:123/140 to ROSS SAUER on Sat Mar 27 05:22:52 2010
    The problems are worse than I had thought: Is it endemic to Catholic theological authoritarianism in any way?
    Hmmm. I'll ask the only Catholic I know...


    ...failure to act on
    the matter could embarrass the church...


    ...their
    highest priority was protecting the church from scandal...



    But Cardinal Bertone halted the process after Father Murphy personally
    wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger protesting that he should not be put on
    trial because he had already repented and was in poor health and that
    the case was beyond the church's own statute of limitations.

    "I simply want to live out the time that I have left in the dignity of
    my priesthood,"


    Father Murphy wrote near the end of his life to Cardinal
    Ratzinger. "I ask your kind assistance in this matter." The files
    contain no response from Cardinal Ratzinger.

    Christianity says it's big on forgiveness...Too big?

    I'm not a Catholic, and I think the idea of never ending 'confession' and
    being forgiven by Christ (who empowers the priest) again and again...
    is strange to me...

    This may culminate in Vat III. It not going away; if it continues to
    grow...who knows?
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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to JOHNJWILSON on Sat Mar 27 12:46:49 2010
    "JOHNJWILSON -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in news:10760 $HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

    The problems are worse than I had thought: Is it endemic to Catholic theological authoritarianism in any way?
    Hmmm. I'll ask the only Catholic I know...


    ..failure to act on
    the matter could embarrass the church...


    ..their
    highest priority was protecting the church from scandal...



    But Cardinal Bertone halted the process after Father Murphy
    personally
    wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger protesting that he should not be put on
    trial because he had already repented and was in poor health and
    that
    the case was beyond the church's own statute of limitations.

    "I simply want to live out the time that I have left in the dignity
    of
    my priesthood,"


    Father Murphy wrote near the end of his life to Cardinal
    Ratzinger. "I ask your kind assistance in this matter." The files
    contain no response from Cardinal Ratzinger.

    Christianity says it's big on forgiveness...Too big?

    I'm not a Catholic, and I think the idea of never ending 'confession'
    and
    being forgiven by Christ (who empowers the priest) again and again...
    is strange to me...

    This may culminate in Vat III. It not going away; if it continues to grow...who knows?

    This is just the usual same old, same old.
    Rather than deal with the problem, they cover it up, and "pray for the
    sinner."

    --- Xnews/5.04.25
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