Interesting. One week after I discussed Bill Kochman/Jeff Snyder here,

he

went in and edited his "biography" on his web page. But he didn't

change

the part where he admitted that the initial name of "Bill Kochman" was a false name that he used "for personal reasons." So he pretty clearly
admits that he violated his "real name" rule back then.

Interesting.

He has some pretty nutty stuff on his web site, including a discussion

of

the Lost Protocols of the Elders of Zion that would make Mimi want to
travel to Guam just to confront him on it.

:-) !

On 12/26/2009 7:42 AM, EARL CROASMUN wrote to Bob Ackley:

Who's Kochman? If that's Snyder's real name then he's in

violation

of his own echo's rules.

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"JOHNJWILSON -> EARL CROASMUN" <1:123/140> wrote in news:10678$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

Interesting. One week after I discussed Bill Kochman/Jeff Snyder

here, he

went in and edited his "biography" on his web page. But he didn't

change

the part where he admitted that the initial name of "Bill Kochman"

was a -> false name that he used "for personal reasons." So he pretty clearly -> admits that he violated his "real name" rule back then.

Interesting.

He has some pretty nutty stuff on his web site, including a

discussion of

the Lost Protocols of the Elders of Zion that would make Mimi want

to -> travel to Guam just to confront him on it.

:-) !

The "Protocols" are accepted as a fake, by the vast majority of people. Including most Muslims.

It's only the die-hard Jew haters who still believe that bunch of tripe.

Speaking of die-hard Jew haters, that guy who charged into the
Washington, DC Holocaust museum, and shot a guard to death?

He won't be going to trial.
He died in prison.

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/748409--quiet-end-for- holocaust-museum-shooter

He wanted to go out with a bang, getting killed by police after
slaughtering a lot of people inside the museum.

Instead he died in disgrace.

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Oh, not here (not yet, anyway<g>).

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for
which he went ballistic and threw me out ("I urge you to
leave this echo immediately -- never to return -- before
I am forced to remove you"). It took him about five screens
of his rules interspersed with diatribes (but no quotes or
refutation of anything I'd said) to get to the point quoted
in parens above. First and only time that's happened - and
I've been in Fidonet over 25 years. I did reply to him - in
NETMAIL.

Not much of a loss as I don't generally even read his echo,
that one particular post of his happened to catch my eye.

Note that in the past several months Snyder has been the only
person posting in that echo - except, of course, for the one
post I made.

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On 12-20-09, BOB ACKLEY said to ALL:

Oh, not here (not yet, anyway<g>).

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for
which he went ballistic and threw me out ("I urge you to
leave this echo immediately -- never to return -- before
I am forced to remove you"). It took him about five screens
of his rules interspersed with diatribes (but no quotes or
refutation of anything I'd said) to get to the point quoted
in parens above. First and only time that's happened - and
I've been in Fidonet over 25 years. I did reply to him - in
NETMAIL.

I ran into the same thing in the RUSH LIMBAUGH echo several years ago.


There were two guys moderating that echo...one's name was Freeze, I don't recall the other ones name...Mark Fornoff, I think.


For about a year or so I just read the echo without posting in it.


It was typically filled with stuff like `megadittos, Rush' messages... ..`Rush is right again'......to the point of silliness.

Not much of a loss as I don't generally even read his echo,
that one particular post of his happened to catch my eye.

One day I read a particularly obnoxious post from one of the moderator's that just `gushed' over something Limbaugh had said, and I made the mistake of replying that it should be kept in mind that Limbaugh banked around 30 million dollars a year doing what he did.


Well.........I guess you know the `stuff' hit the fan real quick. I wasn't
even given the courtesy of a post telling me not to post in the echo anymore.


There were immediately posts from both moderators telling everyone in the echo they were not to respond to my message, that I was completely banned and they were to ignore any posts I put up.


My sysop at the time was a local person I knew personally, and he called me on the phone and told me the two moderators of that echo had contacted him and demanded my access to that echo be cut, or they'd go to his mail feed and demand his mail source be cut off!


He didn't cut anything on me, I just didn't post there anymore.

Note that in the past several months Snyder has been the only
person posting in that echo - except, of course, for the one
post I made.

That was the only time I ever got banned from an echo for my very first post, that was only the truth. The Limbaugh echo died a quiet death after that, with the only posts being the moderators posting the rules once a week or so.


I don't know if its active still or not.





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I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for
which he went ballistic and threw me out ("I urge you to
leave this echo immediately -- never to return -- before
I am forced to remove you").

The same happened to me... :-)




It took him about five screens

of his rules interspersed with diatribes (but no quotes or
refutation of anything I'd said)

Won't. Not into discussing, he's into ripostings his --what?--'lectures'
with not a whiff of biblical knowledge gleaned since...about 1850, I
think...
Biblical archeology, as well as linguistic knowledge and discovery of many
many ancient documents have made this a golden age for theology --
Science advanced in 2000 years...
The theology of that age has gone WAY past it's sell before date.
Tryin'to get a discussion gon' in BIBLE STUDY...
It's a hell of a book...
(JS bragged that he's studied the bible for 40 years...I told him I got him
by 20years...got 'im pissed off...
:-)
(...uh...that was me braggin'...)
(I'm as heretical as you are cynical :-)

Once you get old enough it doesn't make make sense to 'worry about
tomorrow'
hell, as long as tomorrow is provided for...it optimismville! :-)

Regards...

Note that in the past several months Snyder has been the only
person posting in that echo - except, of course, for the one
post I made.

I did note that, and stopped to read your post and his reply.
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"Bob Ackley -> All" <1:300/3> wrote in news:10631$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

Oh, not here (not yet, anyway<g>).

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for
which he went ballistic and threw me out ("I urge you to
leave this echo immediately -- never to return -- before
I am forced to remove you"). It took him about five screens
of his rules interspersed with diatribes (but no quotes or
refutation of anything I'd said) to get to the point quoted
in parens above. First and only time that's happened - and
I've been in Fidonet over 25 years. I did reply to him - in
NETMAIL.

Not much of a loss as I don't generally even read his echo,
that one particular post of his happened to catch my eye.

Note that in the past several months Snyder has been the only
person posting in that echo - except, of course, for the one
post I made.

What was your post about, that was so evil it got you ordered out?

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Hello Bob!

20 Dec 09 10:23, you wrote to All:

Oh, not here (not yet, anyway<g>).

Unless you decide to pull something Dan Ceppa did a while ago.

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for

His echo isnt private and its carried in public, it his rules that are archaic.

His echo isnt meant for debaters, just followers, had you agreed with him and added to it, he would have allowed it.

Snyder is some sort Preacher and he views his echo as his pulpit.

Problem is, Snyder is no Christian by any known definition, he is what many Christians would term as a deceiver. He makes the Phelps crowd look like Saints.

I have an echo called EDGE-ONLINE we can put on the backbone to rebut him, if you want, or just rebut him in here.

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Hello Ross!

21 Dec 09 10:22, you wrote to Bob Ackley:

Note that in the past several months Snyder has been the only
person posting in that echo - except, of course, for the one
post I made.

What was your post about, that was so evil it got you ordered out?

Not important...

One does not debate the preacher while thee are delivering thy sermons.

That is exactly what that echo is about and how his rules are formulated.

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"Bob Ackley -> All" <1:300/3> wrote in news:10631$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

Oh, not here (not yet, anyway<g>).

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online),

What was your post about, that was so evil it got you ordered out?

The same topic I introduced a few months ago...

A suggestion that his words did not exactly come from the lips of God... ...that his political rants were not considered by all the Christian
community as biblically undeniable...:-)

(I don't believe those were the exact words used...the word "rot" I believe found it's way there...:-)

I must say , his echo is very similar to mine-- I started it a few years
ago: It's the 'John Wilson Admiration Center' ...the moderator rules:

1. No one is permitted to argue, dispute any way, or even hint of
disagreement with anything the Moderator says.

2. Moderators comments are to be considered in all cases the definitive
truth.

2. Posting in this echo is an acknowledgment that rule #2 is true.

So far, the echo hasn't received a lot of posts...uh....exactly none.
I am nothing if not patient...:-)

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Replying to a message of EARL CROASMUN to EARL CROASMUN:

Interesting. One week after I discussed Bill Kochman/Jeff
Snyder here, he went in and edited his "biography" on his
web page. But he didn't change the part where he admitted
that the initial name of "Bill Kochman" was a false name
that he used "for personal reasons." So he pretty clearly
admits that he violated his "real name" rule back then.

He has some pretty nutty stuff on his web site, including a
discussion of the Lost Protocols of the Elders of Zion that
would make Mimi want to travel to Guam just to confront him
on it.

Hmph, figures. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were fabricated by the Czarist
secret police some time around the turn of the last century, and were thoroughly
discredited by about 1910.

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Replying to a message of TIM RICHARDSON to BOB ACKLEY:

That was the only time I ever got banned from an echo for my
very first post, that was only the truth. The Limbaugh echo
died a quiet death after that, with the only posts being
the moderators posting the rules once a week or so.

I don't know if its active still or not.

It's still in the ELIST and it's configured on my system. There's
never been any traffic in it since I set the board up 2 years ago,
not even a rules posting (many 'active' echoes consist solely of
some robot posting the rules once a month - the Remote Access
echoes being salient examples).

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Replying to a message of Ross Sauer to Bob Ackley:

"Bob Ackley -> All" <1:300/3> wrote in
news:10631$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

Oh, not here (not yet, anyway<g>).

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for
which he went ballistic and threw me out ("I urge you to
leave this echo immediately -- never to return -- before
I am forced to remove you"). It took him about five
screens of his rules interspersed with diatribes (but no
quotes or refutation of anything I'd said) to get to the
point quoted in parens above. First and only time that's
happened - and I've been in Fidonet over 25 years. I did
reply to him - in NETMAIL.

<snip>

What was your post about, that was so evil it got you
ordered out?

=============================== Begin quote

Replying to a message of Jeff Snyder to All:

So now Omaha, Nebraska is going to become the headquarters
for the abortion debate. Dr. Carhart is just as ungodly as
Tiller.

Actually, Doctor Carhart lives and works in Bellevue, Nebraska. Not
Omaha. Last I heard he hadn't decided whether or not to reopen Doctor
Tiller's practice in Kansas.

I can't imagine living the life that he leads,
having to be careful when he is seen out in public,
hurriedly eating his public meals, being the target of so
much hatred and animosity, etc.

That's because a gang of murderers is after him.

But most importantly, one
of these days, just like Tiller and other abortions, Dr.
Carhart is going to have to face a wrathful God, due to his
evil crimes against the unborn.

Only if one happens to believe in such rot. He's much more
threatened by good Christian murderers that have already murdered
one physician in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Your murderers are every bit as "ungodly" as the late Doctor Tiller.

======================End quote

That's the entire post. He's allowed to gloat over the fact that Doctor Carhart is forced to deal with multiple threats against his life from the fanatical anti-abortion people.

The physician that was murdered in Lincoln was an OB/GYN who had
performed far more successful deliveries than abortions. Several years
ago "Rescue the Heartland" - and subset of "Operation Rescue" tried
to get his church to ostracize him by showing up there for services with
their truck that's plastered with huge pictures of aborted fetuses and
passing out leaflets with similar pictures and diatribes against the doctor. The congregation basically suggested that "Operation Rescue" get bent,
so a few weeks later a good Christian killer entered the church for services and shot the man dead during services. This was a couple of years before
the same thing was done to Doctor Tiller down in Kansas.

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Replying to a message of Ross Cassell to Bob Ackley:

Hello Bob!

20 Dec 09 10:23, you wrote to All:

Oh, not here (not yet, anyway<g>).

Unless you decide to pull something Dan Ceppa did a while
ago.

Not likely.

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for

His echo isnt private and its carried in public, it his
rules that are archaic.

His echo isnt meant for debaters, just followers, had you
agreed with him and added to it, he would have allowed it.

Snyder is some sort Preacher and he views his echo as his
pulpit.

Problem is, Snyder is no Christian by any known definition,
he is what many Christians would term as a deceiver. He
makes the Phelps crowd look like Saints.

I have an echo called EDGE-ONLINE we can put on the backbone
to rebut him, if you want, or just rebut him in here.

I've no interest in dealing with him at all. He has his echo and he can
gloat and play with himself there all he wants to. It's his sandbox, I
simply don't care, he and his kind aren't worth bothering about. I NETMAILed him a reply to his banishment, I don't propose to carry it any farther than that.

I'm not interested in satirizing him in an echo that's named similarly to his.

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"Bob Ackley -> Ross Sauer" <1:300/3> wrote in
news:10639$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

I made *one* factual post in reply to one of Jeff Snyder's
non-factual posts in his private echo (EDGE Online), for
which he went ballistic and threw me out ("I urge you to
leave this echo immediately -- never to return -- before
I am forced to remove you"). It took him about five
screens of his rules interspersed with diatribes (but no
quotes or refutation of anything I'd said) to get to the
point quoted in parens above. First and only time that's
happened - and I've been in Fidonet over 25 years. I did
reply to him - in NETMAIL.

<snip>

What was your post about, that was so evil it got you
ordered out?

=============================== Begin quote

Replying to a message of Jeff Snyder to All:

So now Omaha, Nebraska is going to become the headquarters
for the abortion debate. Dr. Carhart is just as ungodly as
Tiller.

Actually, Doctor Carhart lives and works in Bellevue, Nebraska. Not Omaha. Last I heard he hadn't decided whether or not to reopen Doctor Tiller's practice in Kansas.

I can't imagine living the life that he leads,
having to be careful when he is seen out in public,
hurriedly eating his public meals, being the target of so
much hatred and animosity, etc.

That's because a gang of murderers is after him.

But most importantly, one
of these days, just like Tiller and other abortions, Dr.
Carhart is going to have to face a wrathful God, due to his
evil crimes against the unborn.

Only if one happens to believe in such rot. He's much more
threatened by good Christian murderers that have already murdered
one physician in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Your murderers are every bit as "ungodly" as the late Doctor Tiller.

======================End quote

That's the entire post. He's allowed to gloat over the fact that
Doctor Carhart is forced to deal with multiple threats against his
life from the fanatical anti-abortion people.

These groups have been described as the "Talibornagains," since a lot of
them have the same M. O. as the Taliban.
The worst group I can think of offhand is the "Army Of God," they are
very loosely organized, and just plain murderous.

The physician that was murdered in Lincoln was an OB/GYN who had
performed far more successful deliveries than abortions. Several
years ago "Rescue the Heartland" - and subset of "Operation Rescue"
tried to get his church to ostracize him by showing up there for
services with their truck that's plastered with huge pictures of
aborted fetuses and passing out leaflets with similar pictures and diatribes against the doctor. The congregation basically suggested
that "Operation Rescue" get bent, so a few weeks later a good
Christian killer entered the church for services and shot the man dead during services. This was a couple of years before the same thing was done to Doctor Tiller down in Kansas.

I still remember one guy who appeared on some talk show, Paul Hill.
He kept saying it was righteous to murder doctors, I figured he's get
into some big trouble someday.
Sure enough, he ambushed a doctor in Florida, shot to death with a
shotgun a doctor, his bodyguard and seriously wounded the doctor's wife.
Hill was executed for murder, and he kept bragging how he would "be with
Jesus" after.
Hill is a "martyr" to the wackadoodle set.

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I've no interest in dealing with him at all. He has his echo and he can gloat and play with himself there all he wants to. It's his sandbox, I simply don't care, he and his kind aren't worth bothering about.

As I read it, you made three points. You corrected Kochman/Snyder on his geography. You made the obvious point that those who murder doctors are murderers, and that Carhart has good reason to fear them. And you put the label of "rot" on Kochman/Snyder's belief that God will be "wrathful"
towards those doctors who do abortions because Kochman/Snyder considers it
an "evil crime."

I can understand your desire to ignore him and his echo. But I cannot help being curious as to which of those three broke his rules. He seems to
think that any disagreement with HIM is an attack on all Christianity,
which is pretty breathtaking and possibly blasphemous on his part. If he
were to venture out of his personal and empty echo, it would be interesting
to see if he could provide provide Biblical passages to back up his political/religious opinions.


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Hello EARL!

23 Dec 09 19:09, you wrote to Bob Ackley:

I can understand your desire to ignore him and his echo. But I cannot help being curious as to which of those three broke his rules. He
seems to think that any disagreement with HIM is an attack on all Christianity, which is pretty breathtaking and possibly blasphemous on
his part. If he were to venture out of his personal and empty echo,
it would be interesting to see if he could provide provide Biblical passages to back up his political/religious opinions.

The problem with Bible Quoters is they can contradict one interpretation of the
Bible with another, depending on their agenda at the moment.

Snyder did at one time venture out into the echoes, even this one..

In other echoes he always tried to steer the topic to religion, in here he ostracized those whom chose to use this echo to combat the rabid atheists such as Ceppa and Sauer.

I elisted an echo similiarly named to his, his is EDGE_ONLINE, mine is EDGE-ONLINE, I threatened to backbone it.

It had the desired effect, like Holy Water, Garlic and sunlight to a vampire. He crawled/slinked back to his hole and he preaches to himself.

I guess the best thing to do is leave the poor bastard alone.

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"Ross Cassell -> EARL CROASMUN" <1:123/456> wrote in news:10643$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

I can understand your desire to ignore him and his echo. But I

cannot EC> help being curious as to which of those three broke his
rules. He EC> seems to think that any disagreement with HIM is an
attack on all EC> Christianity, which is pretty breathtaking and
possibly blasphemous on EC> his part. If he were to venture out of
his personal and empty echo, EC> it would be interesting to see if
he could provide provide Biblical EC> passages to back up his
political/religious opinions.

The problem with Bible Quoters is they can contradict one
interpretation of the Bible with another, depending on their agenda at
the moment.

Who was it who said, "The Devil can quote scripture for his own purposes?"

The point is, the Flat Earth Society, (which still exists, surprisingly,)
can find scripture to back their strange view of the universe.

Fred Phelps can too.

So can the "God says to make me rich" preachers.

Snyder did at one time venture out into the echoes, even this one..

Open mouth. Insert foot. Chew. <G>

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The problem with Bible Quoters is they can contradict one interpretation

of the

Bible with another, depending on their agenda at the moment.

If one ignores basic concepts of interpretation, such as looking at the surrounding text and considering the historical setting, that can indeed happen. But if Kochman/Snyder considers himself to be a Protestant, he
should be able to show textual grounding for his beliefs.


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Replying to a message of EARL CROASMUN to Bob Ackley:

As I read it, you made three points. You corrected
Kochman/Snyder on his geography. You made the obvious
point that those who murder doctors are murderers, and that
Carhart has good reason to fear them. And you put the
label of "rot" on Kochman/Snyder's belief that God will be
"wrathful" towards those doctors who do abortions because
Kochman/Snyder considers it an "evil crime."

Who's Kochman? If that's Snyder's real name then he's in violation
of his own echo's rules.

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Who was it who said, "The Devil can quote scripture for his own

purposes?"

Actually a lot of people have. Shakespeare in Merchant of Venice
(Referring to Matthew Chapter four, which refers to Psalm 41.)

The point is, the Flat Earth Society, (which still exists,

surprisingly,)

can find scripture to back their strange view of the universe.

What is really mind-blowing is that strange as that might be (and is)
stranger still is the universe(s) of the Quantum field, string theory,
dark matter, cosmic acceleration, antiparticles borrowing energy to
become...to become! Space time and ten (or11) dimensions, parallel
universes...

Fred Phelps can too.

Is he someone I should look up?

So can the "God says to make me rich" preachers.

Rich preachers piss me off.
But then, rich congressmen piss me off too, if they weren't rich when they
got into politics...

Snyder did at one time venture out into the echoes, even this one..

Open mouth. Insert foot. Chew. <G>

Well, if you don't accept the Christian Book, literally, then you become
wrong about everything automatically. Once you get to 'know your bible'
then it becomes ridiculously easy to fend off all arguments logic and
reason, because what you believe (being a spiritual being) is in the bible
as spiritually discerned. Aha! "Spiritual things must be spiritually
discerned" If you are not a spiritual person, then you obviously cannot
be even be a part of any argument, but become someone who is dismissed as a doomed sinner, I guess...:-)
I had an interesting exchange with Mr. Snyder:
He bragged about having studied the bible for 40 years...
I told him I had a full twenty years on his...
He replied that THAT the number of year didn't matter...
(To which I agree: but he misses the point: HIS 40 years doesn't matter
either :-)
Ivebeen studying and enjoying the study of the Bible for 62 years now and
I'm still studying it and am far from being a biblical scholar...
(I've also become a lover of the Koran, The Bhagavad Gita - Sufi's, Jains, Buddhists (Mahayana)...It's a wonderful theological world -and a great
hobby. So, I'm a heretic. So, I started my own church. :-) The only one I
know not lookin for new members or money :-)

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"JOHNJWILSON -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in
news:10648$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

Who was it who said, "The Devil can quote scripture for his own

purposes?"

Actually a lot of people have. Shakespeare in Merchant of Venice
(Referring to Matthew Chapter four, which refers to Psalm 41.)

Not sure if you're right, but that's not important.

The point is, the Flat Earth Society, (which still exists,

surprisingly,)

can find scripture to back their strange view of the universe.

What is really mind-blowing is that strange as that might be (and is) stranger still is the universe(s) of the Quantum field, string theory,
dark matter, cosmic acceleration, antiparticles borrowing energy to become...to become! Space time and ten (or11) dimensions, parallel universes...

Oh yeah. The more we study the universe, it just becomes more and more incredible. Not the severely limited universe of the Bible-thumpers.

Fred Phelps can too.

Is he someone I should look up?

Only if you don't mind getting pissed off.
He and his family "church" are the bunch that travel around with their
"God Hates Fags" and "God Hates The US" signs.
They've been picketing military funerals, sayig "God Hates Soldiers" and
lately they've gone over to picketing Jews.
They're attention whores, and simply vicious.

So can the "God says to make me rich" preachers.

Rich preachers piss me off.

Especially the ones that are obviously rich yet continue to beg for
money, like Pat Robertson.

But then, rich congressmen piss me off too, if they weren't rich when
they got into politics...

Or if they got rich DUE TO their politics, like the corrupt bastard Dick Cheney.

Snyder did at one time venture out into the echoes, even this

one.. ->

Open mouth. Insert foot. Chew. <G>

argument, but become someone who is dismissed as a doomed sinner, I guess...:-) I had an interesting exchange with Mr. Snyder:
He bragged about having studied the bible for 40 years...
I told him I had a full twenty years on his...
He replied that THAT the number of year didn't matter...
(To which I agree: but he misses the point: HIS 40 years doesn't
matter either :-)

Snyder comes across as an intolerant asshole.

Ivebeen studying and enjoying the study of the Bible for 62 years now
and I'm still studying it and am far from being a biblical scholar...
(I've also become a lover of the Koran, The Bhagavad Gita - Sufi's,
Jains, Buddhists (Mahayana)...It's a wonderful theological world -and
a great hobby. So, I'm a heretic. So, I started my own church. :-) The
only one I know not lookin for new members or money :-)

Yeah, I started my own club years ago, BAT.
Burn All Ties.

I hate wearing a tie, and feel those useless hunks of cloth should be
burned. <G>

I mean, Hitler always wore a tie...

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Who was it who said, "The Devil can quote scripture for his own

purposes?"

Actually a lot of people have. Shakespeare in Merchant of Venice (Referring to Matthew Chapter four, which refers to Psalm 41.)

Not sure if you're right, but that's not important.

Wait, 'till I catch my breath! I'm shocked! Shocked! To think that you
don't consider me an ultimate authority.
Yeah, I was making it all up.

The point is, the Flat Earth Society, (which still exists,

surprisingly,)

can find scripture to back their strange view of the universe.

What is really mind-blowing is that strange as that might be (and

is)

stranger still is the universe(s) of the Quantum field, string

theory,

dark matter, cosmic acceleration, antiparticles borrowing energy to become...to become! Space time and ten (or11) dimensions, parallel universes...

Oh yeah. The more we study the universe, it just becomes more and more incredible. Not the severely limited universe of the Bible-thumpers.

Depends on who is doing the thumping: I thump it; I think everyone should
be conversant with it, as part of our culture; that it contains much wisdom
and beautiful poetry and glimpses of ancient beliefs...after that how far
you want to go into the heart rather than the logic of the bible is up to
the individual. I my view eventually you see more and more clearly just how rich it is and how it has managed to survive as well as it has for as Long
as it has...

Fred Phelps can too.

Is he someone I should look up?

Only if you don't mind getting pissed off.
He and his family "church" are the bunch that travel around with their
"God Hates Fags" and "God Hates The US" signs.
They've been picketing military funerals, saying "God Hates Soldiers"

and

lately they've gone over to picketing Jews.
They're attention whores, and simply vicious.

Ah yes, I dimly remember.

So can the "God says to make me rich" preachers.

Rich preachers piss me off.

Especially the ones that are obviously rich yet continue to beg for
money, like Pat Robertson.

A unique case: a Presidential Candidate who informs us regularly that God
tells him several things, political in nature, I think...A lawyer who found
out that with a legal organization one can with ease garner a billion dollars...once your business becomes tax free...

But then, rich congressmen piss me off too, if they weren't rich

when

they got into politics...

Or if they got rich DUE TO their politics, like the corrupt bastard Dick Cheney.

The rich appointed Cheney to follow The Plan, which required a a crisis to implement. Nest-o timing. Could have worked. Republicans could have been permanently ensconced. Hitler could have won. I might not have become the worlds greatest poet.

Snyder comes across as an intolerant asshole.

The opinion held by a non-Christian doesn't bother him, and if he is of
martyr - mind to any degree, probably enjoys being scorned. (Although his replies lack judicial restraint, becoming more rant like...The thought
occurs to me: Maybe he has read quite a bit of Ingersol, and fears
argument.

Ive Been studying and enjoying the study of the Bible for 62 years

now

and I'm still studying it and am far from being a biblical

scholar...

(I've also become a lover of the Koran, The Bhagavad Gita - Sufi's, Jains, Buddhists (Mahayana)...It's a wonderful theological world

-and

a great hobby. So, I'm a heretic. So, I started my own church. :-)

The

only one I know not looking for new members or money :-)

Yeah, I started my own club years ago, BAT.
Burn All Ties.

I hate wearing a tie, and feel those useless hunks of cloth should be burned. <G>

Because many years ago I once wanted to be super-hip, (60's) and I paid a
lot of money for cuff-links. I still have the damn things, and haven't worn
a tie OR cuff links for the last 40 years... :-)
Banning other people from wearing ties however, makes you of course a
fascist of the worst order and should be whipped to death. Freedom!


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Who's Kochman? If that's Snyder's real name then he's in violation
of his own echo's rules.

A while back, Jeff Snyder showed up in the echo in question. No one had
heard of him, but he proclaimed that he had created it years ago, and he
asked Steve Asher (the moderator) to give the echo back to him. The echo
was in fact created by someone named Bill Kochman. The things Snyder remembered as happening to him more than a decade ago actually happened to Kochman. Snyder and Kochman both claimed to be living in Guam, they both shared the same religious beliefs, and they both had the same writing
style. On at least one occasion I believe they both used the same e-mail address.

As for "real name," that is completely unknown and Snyder won't say a word about it. One name might be fake. Both might be fake. The most amusing aspect of the matter was when Lofaso jumped in on the thread and suggested
that Snyder's posts in "debate" violated Klahn's "real name" rule in that
echo. Klahn responded that it was okay with him as long as the fake name
was not used "to avoid some rule." Lofaso made the obvious response:
"Using an alias in a "real names only" echo is a means of avoiding that
"real names only" rule."


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Interesting. One week after I discussed Bill Kochman/Jeff Snyder here, he
went in and edited his "biography" on his web page. But he didn't change
the part where he admitted that the initial name of "Bill Kochman" was a
false name that he used "for personal reasons." So he pretty clearly
admits that he violated his "real name" rule back then.

He has some pretty nutty stuff on his web site, including a discussion of
the Lost Protocols of the Elders of Zion that would make Mimi want to
travel to Guam just to confront him on it.


On 12/26/2009 7:42 AM, EARL CROASMUN wrote to Bob Ackley:

Who's Kochman? If that's Snyder's real name then he's in violation
of his own echo's rules.

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