Estu la ŝanĝo dezirinda en la mondo.

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MIn pardonpetu por la malanglaj karakteroj. Mi simple forgesis.

Estu la sxangon dezirinda en la mondo.





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MIn pardonpetu por la malanglaj karakteroj. Mi simple forgesis.
Estu la sxangon dezirinda en la mondo.

Pardon me for the non-english characters. I simply forgot.

Be the change (that) you wish to see in the world.

(word-for-word:
Estu la sxangxo ke vi deziras vidi en la mondo.

I included "ke" (that), which was not actually in the English version where I found it. Do you suppose Gandhi was speaking English, or something else, when he first said (or wrote) it?

In Esperanto, that that is necessary.

I also debated whether to use deziri, or vidi. What do you think?


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Hi Rick,

Pardon me for the non-english characters. I simply forgot.

I could tell that's what that phrase was.. I guess latin, french and german under the belt for me helps (high school, some college).

Be the change (that) you wish to see in the world.

(word-for-word:
Estu la sxangxo ke vi deziras vidi en la mondo.

I included "ke" (that), which was not actually in the English version where I found it. Do you suppose Gandhi was speaking English, or something else, when he first said (or wrote) it?

In Esperanto, that that is necessary.

I also debated whether to use deziri, or vidi. What do you think?

It sounds a lot like French, "Be the..." and from what I remember of Spanish, about the same..though French uses the verb a form of the verb etre there (sois)

btw,How do you say "Bernie Sanders should take over the Democratic Primary and wipe out Hillary"? Lol.. sorry, I'm a real bernie fan. <g>

Take care,
Janis


Take care,
Janis

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Re: Gandhi
By: Janis Kracht to Rick Ekstrom on Sat Feb 27 2016 02:20:40

btw,How do you say "Bernie Sanders should take over the Democratic Primary a wipe out Hillary"? Lol.. sorry, I'm a real bernie fan. <g>

#FellTheBern




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Hi Rick,

Pardon me for the non-english characters. I simply forgot.

I could tell that's what that phrase was.. I guess latin, french and german under the belt for me helps (high school, some college).

Be the change (that) you wish to see in the world.
(word-for-word:
Estu la sxangxo ke vi deziras vidi en la mondo.
I included "ke" (that), which was not actually in the English version where I >>found it. Do you suppose Gandhi was speaking English, or something else, when >> he first said (or wrote) it?
In Esperanto, that "that" is necessary.
I also debated whether to use deziri, or vidi. What do you think?

It sounds a lot like French, "Be the..." and from what I remember of Spanish, about the same..though French uses the verb a form of the verb etre there (sois)
btw,How do you say "Bernie Sanders should take over the Democratic Primary and
wipe out Hillary"? Lol.. sorry, I'm a real bernie fan. <g>
Take care,
Janis
Take care,
Janis

You have a background in English, French, German, Latin? Yup-- you're already most of the way to Esperantio (esperanto-land).


Anyway, to point:

How to esperantize:
"Bernie Sanders should take over the Democratic Primary and wipe out Hillary" --Janis Kracht

There are some judgement calls in here, this is what I make of it:

I'd copy the names verbatim, not esperantize them. Word order can be kept the same, no need here to rearrange it. In two places, two words of english can be replaced by one (compound) word of esperanto,
in one place a word of english is replaced by two of esperanto.

should devus
take over ekregi (ek: (suddenly?) begin regi: to rule) the la
Democratic Demokrata
Primary Primara Balotado (balloting)
and kaj (rhymes with English "sky")
wipe out forvisxi (visxi for: wipe away)

"sx" above, is a kludge for the (single) letter which looks like an "s" with a "^" over it.
It's pronounced like english "sh". (UTF-8 has the esperanto characters, Fido Echoes don't).


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Hi Rick,

You have a background in English, French, German, Latin?
Yup-- you're already most of the way to Esperantio (esperanto-land).

I 've read that the man who started Esperanto L. L. Zamenhf chose to take his vocabulary from Romance and Germanic languages.. no wonder I can sometimes make
a little sense of it at least <g>.. German is probably my weakest though.. Most
of my studies were in French and Latin.

Anyway, to point:

How to esperantize:
"Bernie Sanders should take over the Democratic Primary and wipe out Hillary"
--Janis Kracht

There are some judgement calls in here, this is what I make of it:

I'd copy the names verbatim, not esperantize them.
Word order can be kept the same, no need here to rearrange it.

In two places, two words of english can be replaced by one (compound) word of esperanto,
in one place a word of english is replaced by two of esperanto.

should devus
take over ekregi (ek: (suddenly?) begin regi: to rule) the la
Democratic Demokrata
Primary Primara Balotado (balloting)
and kaj (rhymes with English "sky")
wipe out forvisxi (visxi for: wipe away)

"sx" above, is a kludge for the (single) letter which looks like an "s" with a
"^" over it.
It's pronounced like english "sh".
(UTF-8 has the esperanto characters, Fido Echoes don't).

Take care,
Janis

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Nun ke Bernie forlasis, kun kiu vi aliancigxas? Now that Bernie's dropped out,
whom do you side with?

Mi rekomendas retejon kiu ne ordonas kion vi pensu, I recommend a web site that doesn't tell you what to think,

sed kvizas vin en ordo mezuri kion vi jam kredas, but quizzes you to measure what you already believe,

kiam montras la kanditatojn kiujn plej proksime egalas viajn respondojn. then shows the candidates that most closely match your own answers:


I side with dot com

(isidewith.com)

Zorgu,
Ricxjo

-=-=-=-

Hi Rick,

You have a background in English, French, German, Latin?
Yup-- you're already most of the way to Esperantio (esperanto-land).

I 've read that the man who started Esperanto L. L. Zamenhf chose to take his
vocabulary from Romance and Germanic languages.. no wonder I can sometimes mak >a little sense of it at least <g>.. German is probably my weakest though.. Mos
of my studies were in French and Latin.

Anyway, to point:
How to esperantize:
"Bernie Sanders should take over the Democratic Primary and wipe out Hillary" >> --Janis Kracht
There are some judgement calls in here, this is what I make of it:
I'd copy the names verbatim, not esperantize them.
Word order can be kept the same, no need here to rearrange it.
In two places, two words of english can be replaced by one (compound) word of >> esperanto,
in one place a word of english is replaced by two of esperanto.
should devus
take over ekregi (ek: (suddenly?) begin regi: to rule) >> the la
Democratic Demokrata
Primary Primara Balotado (balloting)
and kaj (rhymes with English "sky")
wipe out forvisxi (visxi for: wipe away)
"sx" above, is a kludge for the (single) letter which looks like an "s" with >> "^" over it.
It's pronounced like english "sh".
(UTF-8 has the esperanto characters, Fido Echoes don't).

Take care,
Janis

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I'm a real bernie fan. <g>
Take care,
Janis

Nun sen Bernie, por kiu vi vocxdonos? Mi sugestas Gary Johnson, sed vi eble preferus Jill Stein.

Rigardu:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYvCmkbhs8>
cxiu tri partoj en unu.

(angla tradukado sube)

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Hi Rick,

I'm a real bernie fan. <g>
Take care,
Janis

Nun sen Bernie, por kiu vi vocxdonos? Mi sugestas Gary Johnson, sed vi eble preferus Jill Stein.

Rigardu:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYvCmkbhs8>
cxiu tri partoj en unu.

(angla tradukado sube)

------------------------------------------------
Esperanta supre

now, without Bernie, for whom will you vote? I suggest Gary Johnson, you might
prefer Jill Stein.

See:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYvCmkbhs8>
All three parts in one.

Zorgu,
Ricxjo

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Hi Rick,

I suggest Gary Johnson,

No.

you might prefer Jill Stein.

I'd already decided to vote for Jill Stein when Bernie switched to Hillary..

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Rick,

I suggest Gary Johnson,

No.

you might prefer Jill Stein.

I'd already decided to vote for Jill Stein when Bernie switched to Hillary.. Take care,
Janis

Tradukas Ricxjo:

Saluton Rick,

Mi sugestas Gary Johnson,

Ne

vi eble preferus Jill Stein.

Mi jam decidis elekti Jill Stein kiam Bernie sxangxis al Hillary.
Zorgu,
Janis

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Esperanto previous message.

Hi Rick,

I suggest Gary Johnson,

No.

you might prefer Jill Stein.

I'd already decided to vote for Jill Stein when Bernie switched to Hillary.. Take care,
Janis

Mi pensis tiel.
Rigardu tiu:

<https://youtu.be/SsYvCmkbhs8?t=4454>

Bonan momenton kun Jill, maldistance de la fino de debaton (cxiuj tri partoj); je 1:14:14 -- placxas min speciale je 21 sekundojn, gxis
1:14:35

Respondas al pr. 27 aux 53 s. frue, je
1:13:47.

English next message.

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Esperanto previous message.

Hi Rick,

I suggest Gary Johnson,

No.

you might prefer Jill Stein.

I'd already decided to vote for Jill Stein when Bernie switched to Hillary.. >> Take care,
Janis

Mi pensis tiel.
Rigardu tiu:
<https://youtu.be/SsYvCmkbhs8?t=4454>
Bonan momenton kun Jill, maldistance de la fino de debaton (cxiuj tri partoj);
je 1:14:14 -- placxas min speciale je 21 sekundojn, gxis
1:14:35
Respondas al pr. 27 aux 53 s. frue, je
1:13:47.

Rick self-translating (idiomatically, some parts not literal):

I thought you might.
Check out this nice moment with Jill, I've already cued it up to a spot near

the end of the debate, (all three parts):
<https://youtu.be/SsYvCmkbhs8?t=4454>
That's at 1:14:14, I especially like about 21 seconds here, till
1:14:35. To see what prompted this reaction, back it up about 27 or 53 seconds, to:
<https://you tu.be/SsYvCmkbhs8?t=4427>
1:113:47
Zorgu,
Ricxjo

ps: One thing I'm sure we can agree on, is we should do what we can to fix the electoral process so the Hillarys and Donalds cannot use fear of each other to steal votes from the Garys and Jills.

ps: Ni certe agrablus ke ni sxuldus fari kion eblas malpermesi la Hillary-oj kaj Donald-oj ne povas uzi timon de unu la alio en ordo sxteli vocxdonojn de la
Gary-oj kaj la Jill-oj.

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Re: Prezidentaj kandidatoj
By: Rick Ekstrom to Janis Kracht on Thu Nov 10 2016 10:48 am

Estas la punctuation la sama keil English? Ay estas oi pli simila Spanish?

Allen

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Estas la punctuation la sama keil English? Ay estas oi pli simila Spanish? Allen
(My Keyboard does not do the Umlauts)

Punctuation like .,;? etc., do like English for now.

The six special Esperanto characters that are not in English, use an X after the matching letter.

So:

cx, gx, hx, jh, sh, ux

There are other ways of dealing with it, but I believe this one works best.

The character set is discussed in detail in some of our earliest messages in ESPOMEN, going back to 2010. Look for the word "Alfabeto" or "Alphabet" in the subject line. In case your local Echo source doesn't keep older messages, last
time I looked on the Espomen home, they were all here from the beginning (thanks, Janis!)

(filegate.net:8080/bbbs)

...
And Welcome to Esperantio! (Esperantoland). Good Start!
I'll finish translating your subject and opening for you. Don't worry if it seems like a lot to absorb all at once, take it at your own pace, it'll come to
you eventually. I could break it down in detail on each point, but at new beginner level, that would be like several lessons all at once.

Me am attempting al lerni Esperanto

Mi klopodas lerni esperanton

Estas la punctuation la sama keil English? Ay estas oi pli simila Spanish?

Cxu la punktuacio samas kiel la angla? Aux pli similas la hispanan?


Gxis la venonta!
Until next time!
Hasta la proxima!

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Hi Rick,

I suggest Gary Johnson,

No.

you might prefer Jill Stein.

I'd already decided to vote for Jill Stein when Bernie switched to Hillary.. Take care,
Janis

The people of Maine are now in the process of confirming their recent orders to
their public servants, to change the voting system to Ranked Choice Voting (also known as Instant Runoff Voting).

When that passes (again), the DnR will not be so easily able to steal votes, by
scaring voters into wasting their votes on only DnR candidates, instead of somebody they actually want (or at least prefer).

Details here:

Maine Legislature Sabotaging Important Reform
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz4HhCbfY3o>

Esperanto translation of this, next message.

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Saluton, Ricxjo,

Mi sugestas Gary Johnson,

Ne.

vi eble preferus Jill Stein.>

Mi jam dedidis vocxdoni por Jill Stein kiam Bernie sxangxis al Hillary.. >Zorgu,
Janis

La popoloj de Majno nun procezas konfirmi iliajn lastajn ordonojn al iliajn publikajn servistojn, sxangu la vocxdonsistemon al RCV ("Ranked Choice = prefere sekvencita vocxdonado), ankaux konata kiel `Instant Runoff Voting' (Instanta Vico Vocxdonado).

Kiam tio sukcesas (denove), la `DnR' (Demokratoj kaj Respublikanoj) ne tiom facile eblos sxteli vocxdonojn per timigi balotantojn malsxpari vocxdonojn por nur DnR kandidatoj, anstataux iu ili fakte deziras (aux almenaux preferas).

Detaloj tie (angle):

Maine Legislature Sabotaging Important Reform
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz4HhCbfY3o>

ps: Angle, DNR ankaux signifas "do not resuscitate" (ne revivu).

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