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    From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to alexander koryagin on Wed Jan 25 00:46:48 2023
    Hi, alexander -- on Jan 25 2023 at 11:22, you wrote:


    What should happen to me to make me say instead of
    ...they didn't stop weeping when I left them.
    this variant:
    ...they didn't stop weeping when I took my leave of them.

    Nothing will happen to you :-) But the second version sounds quite archaic.



    Cheers... Dallas

    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, CANADA (1:153/7715)
  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to alexander koryagin on Wed Jan 25 15:46:24 2023
    Alexander Koryagin:

    What should happen to me to make me say instead of

    ..they didn't stop weeping when I left them.

    this variant:

    ..they didn't stop weeping when I took my leave of them.


    Perhap you do not realise the difference between leaving and
    taking leave. In my opinion, the latter is more polite in
    that it includes some sort of verbal acknowledgement and
    mutual consent to the parting, after a conversation or
    another mutual engagement.

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Anton Shepelev on Wed Mar 15 22:52:37 2023
    Hi, Anton! Recently you wrote in a message to Dallas Hinton:

    There's nothing in either statement to suggest consent.
    "Took my leave" does imply, imo, communicating with the
    group/person ("goodbye, see you later")....

    You are right, Dallas. One can take one's leave even no
    one is willing to give it!


    Yes. I'm reminded here of an excerpt from the 17th century English opera DIDO AND AENEAS:

    Take a boozy short leave of your nymphs on the shore
    And silence their mourning with vows of returning,
    While never intending to visit them more.

    The sailors departed under orders. While they were allowed time to bid their girlfriends adieu, the latter couldn't realistically give or deny permission.


    In general, "leave" used as a noun is defined as meaning consent or permission... hence "by your leave" or "on leave" (from work). OTOH, "taking leave" of someone else includes e.g. formalities like saying goodbye. People say they or another person "left" when they'd rather not go into detail. :-Q




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)