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    From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to All on Wed Jan 18 19:03:40 2023
    Hello, all Can you help me decipher this piece of looney
    legalese, in which I have masked the entity names:

    2023.01.17

    In accordance with the Agreement for Foo Services,
    CompanyOne (C1) and CompanyTwo (C2) agree to the
    termination of the 55, 56, 57, 58, 59 Foo Solution
    Agreement between CompanyTwo and CompanyOne ("the
    Agreement") pursuant to CompanyTwo's decision effective
    2023.02.24.

    Apart from the terrible style, ambiguities, and probably
    poor grammar, my question is: since what date is the said
    agreement considered null and void and terminated? Is it
    since the date in the title of the document (2023.01.17), or
    the date in the text (2023.02.24), which is in the future.
    What does "effective 2023.02.24" -- effective since,
    effective till, or nonsense?

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Jan 19 00:04:45 2023
    Hi, Anton -- on Jan 18 2023 at 19:03, you wrote:


    2023.01.17

    In accordance with the Agreement for Foo Services,
    [...]
    Agreement") pursuant to CompanyTwo's decision effective
    2023.02.24.

    Apart from the terrible style, ambiguities, and probably
    [...]
    date in the text (2023.02.24), which is in the future.

    The termination will take effect ("become effective") on 2023.2.24.

    What does "effective 2023.02.24" -- effective since,
    effective till, or nonsense?

    This is a fairly standard legal phrase meaning "will take effect on". All legal documents appear to be written in the most obtuse language possible. I think it so that everything is open to interpretation, thus leaving the door open for future (profitable) litigation!!


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Thu Jan 19 13:37:18 2023
    Dallas Hinton to Anton Shepelev:

    In accordance with the Agreement for Foo Services,
    CompanyOne (C1) and CompanyTwo (C2) agree to the
    termination of the 55, 56, 57, 58, 59 Foo Solution
    Agreement between CompanyTwo and CompanyOne ("the
    Agreement") pursuant to CompanyTwo's decision effective
    2023.02.24.

    The termination will take effect ("become effective") on
    2023.2.24.

    I failed to understand it, having thought that `effective'
    modified `dicision' rather than `termination' -- a word an
    hundred miles back up the road.

    This is a fairly standard legal phrase meaning "will
    take effect on". All legal documents appear to be
    written in the most obtuse language possible. I think it
    so that everything is open to interpretation, thus
    leaving the door open for future (profitable)
    litigation!!

    Yeah, an esoteric langugage of the legal mafia, to keep the
    laymen at a distance. Thank you for the answer.

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