• The Afghanistan Quagmire

    From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to All on Sun Jun 27 03:18:00 2010
    Anyone who is familiar with my writings will already know my position
    regarding war and violence. It is evil, it is demonic, and it destroys
    untold numbers of human lives on all sides.

    As I have pointed out before, the Soviets learned decades ago that fighting
    a war in Afghanistan is clearly a no-win situation, and so they pulled out
    in disgrace, just as the USA pulled out of Vietnam in disgrace a few decades ago.

    So the question is, if the U.S. Government saw how the Soviets failed in Afghanistan, and if the USA failed in Vietnam, why in the world did Bush go
    and make the same mistake of starting a no-win war in Afghanistan?

    Guerrilla warfare is simply hard to defeat using conventional forces and conventional means. The Soviets and the USA both learned this, yet there the USA is making the same mistake in Afghanistan.

    Dumb, dumb, dumb!

    Blessed are the peacemakers, and NOT the warmongers!


    Worse Than a Nightmare

    By BOB HERBERT - NYT

    June 25, 2010


    President Obama can be applauded for his decisiveness in dispatching the chronically insubordinate Stanley McChrystal, but we are still left with a disaster of a war in Afghanistan that cannot be won and that the country as
    a whole will not support.

    No one in official Washington is leveling with the public about what is
    really going on. We hear a lot about counterinsurgency, the latest hot cocktail-hour topic among the BlackBerry-thumbing crowd. But there is no evidence at all that counterinsurgency will work in Afghanistan. It's not working now. And even if we managed to put all the proper pieces together,
    the fiercest counterinsurgency advocates in the military will tell you that something on the order of 10 to 15 years of hard effort would be required
    for this strategy to bear significant fruit.

    We've been in Afghanistan for nearly a decade already. It's one of the most corrupt places on the planet and the epicenter of global opium production.
    Our ostensible ally, President Hamid Karzai, is convinced that the U.S.
    cannot prevail in the war and is in hot pursuit of his own deal with the
    enemy Taliban. The American public gave up on the war long ago, and it is
    not at all clear that President Obama's heart is really in it.

    For us to even consider several more years of fighting and dying in
    Afghanistan -- at a cost of heaven knows how many more billions of American taxpayer dollars -- is demented.

    Those who are so fascinated with counterinsurgency, from its chief advocate, Gen. David Petraeus, all the way down to the cocktail-hour kibitzers inside
    the Beltway, seem to have lost sight of a fundamental aspect of warfare: You don't go to war half-stepping. You go to war to crush the enemy. You do this ferociously and as quickly as possible. If you don't want to do it, if you
    have qualms about it, or don't know how to do it, don't go to war.

    The men who stormed the beaches at Normandy weren't trying to win the hearts and minds of anyone.

    In Afghanistan, we are playing a dangerous, half-hearted game in which President Obama tells the America people that this is a war of necessity and that he will do whatever is necessary to succeed. Then, with the very next breath, he soothingly assures us that the withdrawal of U.S. troops will
    begin on schedule, like a Greyhound leaving the terminal, a year from now.

    Both cannot be true.

    What is true is that we aren't even fighting as hard as we can right now.
    The counterinsurgency crowd doesn't want to whack the enemy too hard because
    of an understandable fear that too many civilian casualties will undermine
    the "hearts and minds" and nation-building components of the strategy. Among the downsides of this battlefield caution is a disturbing unwillingness to
    give our own combat troops the supportive airstrikes and artillery cover
    that they feel is needed.

    In an article this week, The Times quoted a U.S. Army sergeant in southern Afghanistan who was unhappy with the real-world effects of
    counterinsurgency. "I wish we had generals who remembered what it was like
    when they were down in a platoon," he said. "Either they never have been in real fighting, or they forgot what it's like."

    In the Rolling Stone article that led to General McChrystal's ouster,
    reporter Michael Hastings wrote about the backlash that counterinsurgency restraints had provoked among the general's own troops. Many feel that
    "being told to hold their fire" increases their vulnerability. A former
    Special Forces operator, a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan, said of General McChrystal, according to Mr. Hastings, "His rules of engagement put soldiers' lives in even greater danger. Every real soldier will tell you the same thing."

    We are sinking more and more deeply into the fetid quagmire of Afghanistan
    and neither the president nor General Petraeus nor anyone else has the slightest clue about how to get out. The counterinsurgency zealots in the military want more troops sent to Afghanistan, and they want the president
    to completely scrap his already shaky July 2011 timetable for the beginning
    of a withdrawal.

    We're like a compulsive gambler plunging ever more deeply into debt in order
    to wager on a rigged game. There is no victory to be had in Afghanistan,
    only grief. We're bulldozing Detroit while at the same time trying to
    establish model metropolises in Kabul and Kandahar. We're spending endless billions on this wretched war but can't extend the unemployment benefits of Americans suffering from the wretched economy here at home.

    The difference between this and a nightmare is that when you wake up from a nightmare it's over. This is all too tragically real.



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