Hello All!

When browsing through the latest full ELIST.RPT report that also contains all the posted RULes files etc I have spotted some issues :

1. The text at the right of lines have been cut off and this is due to posters NOT counting the number of characters per line and moving the offending word over to the next line. - The character limit per line is 75.
This also applies to the descriptions.

2. Some descriptions and Rules have not been passed through a spelling checker to catch your typo's, please do so and yes I am also guilty sometimes.

3. Check the rest of the content for your echo's is still correct including using valid names as moderator, from and origin. If some one attempts to contact you via netmail will your system know the non real name and pass it on to you?
'Waldo . . .' springs to mind.
Like wise the other items, no typo's, moderator list is still correct and there
is no duplication of mod and comods (if so, delete the comod as a special update). Are you making use of the width for descriptions instead of only using
35 - 40 characters per line. Or do you know something I don't?

4. Any echo that has the only moderator no longer in fido etc that needs a new moderator to take over. Yes the elist maintainer can do so if really required but I would prefer to stick to just looking after the software and it's application plus I am coming up to 75 so could use a younger person to do the honours.

5. Any other cock ups? :)

6. Any thing else I missed ?

If you would like to get the current versions of these report files namely ELIST.RPT, .NO. NA etc point your browser to :

http://www.applewoodbbs.linkpc.net/files/Elist/nightly-builds/

Where you can find all three (you do not need to elist-nightly.rar archive as thats the software - well not unless you are interested it it).

These three files can be generated during the course of a month other than the 1st or 2nd for security checks or other mundane reasons.

Useful perhaps to verify your updates now as against waiting till the new month
for the latest ELst archive ?

Vincent
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On 2022 Jan 08 15:43:28, you wrote to All:

3. Check the rest of the content for your echo's is still correct including
using valid names as moderator, from and origin. If some one attempts to contact you via netmail will your system know the non real name and pass it
on to you? 'Waldo . . .' springs to mind.

Waldo's Majik Fingers is an alias, so yes... netmails to that name do appear in a valid mailbox... whether that mailbox is checked on a regular basis or not is another question/matter ;)

)\/(ark

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Hi Vincent,

On 2022-01-08 15:43:29, you wrote to All:

6. Any thing else I missed ?

Maybe the use of Distribution: could be a bit better defined. Currently it's rather a mess, these are the ones currently in use:

DISTribution: All FidoNet
DISTribution: All Fidonet Backbones
DISTribution: All Fidonet distribution paths
DISTribution: All Fidonet distribution paths.
DISTribution: All Official Fidonet Backbones
DISTribution: All Zones
DISTribution: Backbone
DISTribution: Backbone & FidoWeb
DISTribution: Direct
DISTribution: Everywhere
DISTribution: FIDO
DISTribution: FIDONet Backbone
DISTribution: Fidonet
DISTribution: Fidonet + Telegram
DISTribution: Fidonet Backbone
DISTribution: Fidonet Region 18
DISTribution: Fidonet Region 18 ONLY!
DISTribution: None
DISTribution: Not outside Fidonet
DISTribution: Region 14 Members Only
DISTribution: Region 16
DISTribution: Region 16 RC/NCs & invited guests only.
DISTribution: World
DISTribution: World-Wide
DISTribution: Worldwide
DISTribution: Worldwide + Telegram
DISTribution: Z1 Backbone
DISTribution: Z1,Z2,Z3,Z4-BACKBONE
DISTribution: {N/A}
DISTribution: {None on Record}

Most of them could/should be:

DISTribution: Fidonet

And if you have "None", why is that area in the Echolist!? ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2022 Jan 08 18:56:26, you wrote to Vincent Coen:

And if you have "None", why is that area in the Echolist!? ;-)

the echolist is not a list of active areas in fidonet... it is a list of echotags that may be available to be linked to in any FTN... if an echotag says its disctibution is "none" then it sounds like it is, quite simply, not distributed... there's nothing wrong with that...

)\/(ark

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Hi mark,

On 2022-01-08 15:28:24, you wrote to me:

And if you have "None", why is that area in the Echolist!? ;-)

the echolist is not a list of active areas in fidonet... it is a list of echotags that may be available to be linked to in any FTN... if an echotag says its disctibution is "none" then it sounds like it is, quite simply, not distributed... there's nothing wrong with that...

An echomail area that is not distributed is a local area. There's no need to tell the world about it through the elist...

Bye, Wilfred.
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On 2022 Jan 08 21:36:40, you wrote to me:

And if you have "None", why is that area in the Echolist!? ;-)

the echolist is not a list of active areas in fidonet... it is a list
of echotags that may be available to be linked to in any FTN... if an
echotag says its disctibution is "none" then it sounds like it is,
quite simply, not distributed... there's nothing wrong with that...

An echomail area that is not distributed is a local area. There's no need to tell the world about it through the elist...

that's your opinion, sir... i can think of several reasons to have an echotag listed in the echolist without it being distributed... if you can't think of any reasons, perhaps you need to review the last 30+ years of exactly why the echolist existed and what it was used for?

)\/(ark

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Saturday 08.01.22 - 15:54, mark lewis wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

..i can think of several reasons to have an echotag listed
in the echolist without it being distributed... if you
can't think of any reasons, perhaps you need to review the
last 30+ years of exactly why the echolist existed and
what it was used for?

What precludes another listing with a matching echotag to be
listed?

Basically, the ELIST can be used as a way to broadcast the
existence of local echos specific to one BBS?



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Hi mark,

On 2022-01-08 15:54:46, you wrote to me:

An echomail area that is not distributed is a local area. There's no
need to tell the world about it through the elist...

that's your opinion, sir... i can think of several reasons to have an echotag listed in the echolist without it being distributed... if you can't
think of any reasons, perhaps you need to review the last 30+ years of exactly why the echolist existed and what it was used for?

You mean the practice of listing non existent areas with provocative descriptions just to anoy others?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi mark,

On 2022-01-09 06:10:48, you wrote to August Abolins:

fido410 speaks of the format of the echolist... it even mentions one reason why a non-distributed echotag may be listed...

If you mean "Volume 4, Number 10 9 March 1987", I don't see it. Maybe you are mistaken about the exact number?

somewhere around here i have other documents that speak of maintaining echolist entries of echotags for the purposes of showing ownership and maintaining that ownership... i'm just the messenger so please don't anyone start on me about that... it is what it is... the support areas
for WORDSTAR, WORDPERFECT, NOVELL, and others come to mind...

These areas are not in the current ELIST, for a good reaseon: because they are no longer active. There is no need to list those areas for ever with "Distribution: None". If anyone is interested in that historic information they can find out by looking at old elists...

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2022 Jan 09 13:56:56, you wrote to me:

An echomail area that is not distributed is a local area. There's no
need to tell the world about it through the elist...

that's your opinion, sir... i can think of several reasons to have an
echotag listed in the echolist without it being distributed... if you
can't think of any reasons, perhaps you need to review the last 30+
years of exactly why the echolist existed and what it was used for?

You mean the practice of listing non existent areas with provocative descriptions just to anoy others?

certainly not...

)\/(ark

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On 2022 Jan 09 14:04:52, you wrote to me:

Hi mark,

On 2022-01-09 06:10:48, you wrote to August Abolins:

fido410 speaks of the format of the echolist... it even mentions one
reason why a non-distributed echotag may be listed...

If you mean "Volume 4, Number 10 9 March 1987", I don't see it.

you don't see what? that publication or the reason why a non-distributed echotag may be listed?

Maybe you are mistaken about the exact number?

nope... did you not read the bottom of page 8 of that publication???

[spoon feeding mode]

When the "contact" is listed in parentheses it means that the
conference is NOT currently active but the person listed is
interested in STARTING a conference on the topic.

[/spoon feeding mode]

somewhere around here i have other documents that speak of
maintaining
echolist entries of echotags for the purposes of showing ownership and
maintaining that ownership... i'm just the messenger so please don't
anyone start on me about that... it is what it is... the support areas
for WORDSTAR, WORDPERFECT, NOVELL, and others come to mind...

These areas are not in the current ELIST, for a good reaseon: because they are no longer active. There is no need to list those areas for ever with "Distribution: None". If anyone is interested in that historic information they can find out by looking at old elists...

you are totally glossing over their status when they did exist... do we really need to spoon feed this stuff to you?

)\/(ark

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Hi mark,

On 2022-01-09 08:52:16, you wrote to me:

fido410 speaks of the format of the echolist... it even mentions one
reason why a non-distributed echotag may be listed...

If you mean "Volume 4, Number 10 9 March 1987", I don't see it.

you don't see what? that publication or the reason why a non-distributed echotag may be listed?

The latter...

Maybe you are mistaken about the exact number?

nope... did you not read the bottom of page 8 of that publication???

When the "contact" is listed in parentheses it means that the
conference is NOT currently active but the person listed is
interested in STARTING a conference on the topic.

Maybe that was a good idea in 1987, when Fidonet was totally different. But it is not current practice for the ELIST.


Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2022 Jan 09 17:46:26, you wrote to me:

Maybe you are mistaken about the exact number?

nope... did you not read the bottom of page 8 of that publication???

When the "contact" is listed in parentheses it means that the
conference is NOT currently active but the person listed is
interested in STARTING a conference on the topic.

Maybe that was a good idea in 1987, when Fidonet was totally different. But
it is not current practice for the ELIST.

i said it was one reason for listing non-distributed echotags... i didn't say anything about it being current practise... other reasons are for ownership and archives... there are others, as well... whether you agree with them or not is another matter...

)\/(ark

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Sunday 09.01.22 - 08:52, mark lewis wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

nope... did you not read the bottom of page 8 of that publication???

[spoon feeding mode]

When the "contact" is listed in parentheses it means that the
conference is NOT currently active but the person listed is
interested in STARTING a conference on the topic.

[/spoon feeding mode]

If that still stands today, shouldn't that rule be present in
the current elist how-to instead of an old .nws file from the
80s that many people wouldn't come across?

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On 2022 Jan 09 14:28:00, you wrote to me:

nope... did you not read the bottom of page 8 of that publication???

[spoon feeding mode]

When the "contact" is listed in parentheses it means that the
conference is NOT currently active but the person listed is
interested in STARTING a conference on the topic.

[/spoon feeding mode]

If that still stands today, shouldn't that rule be present in
the current elist how-to instead of an old .nws file from the
80s that many people wouldn't come across?

i'm guessing you have, by now, read my post to wilfred explaining that it was provided as a valid example of listing non-distributed echotags in the echolist ;)

)\/(ark

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On 2022 Jan 09 19:22:08, you wrote to me:

Maybe that was a good idea in 1987, when Fidonet was totally
different. But it is not current practice for the ELIST.

i said it was one reason for listing non-distributed echotags... i
didn't say anything about it being current practise... other reasons
are for ownership and archives...

Ownership of a dead area? What's the point?

one point would be to maintain the ownership of the tag...

The (current) ELIST is not for archiving. It's for listing active
areas IMHO...

noted even though it is a wrong thought...

there are others, as well...

Well please mention them. I don't see it...

i've mentioned several... are you missing mail?

whether you agree with them or not is another matter...

;)

:)

)\/(ark

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