• New here (hope I can

    From bob klahn@1:124/311 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jan 31 02:06:00 2010
    Quoting bob klahn to Nancy Backus on 20 Jan 10 22:07:00 <=-

    When I do do any browsing, which admittedly isn't very
    often, but does happen once in a while, I use a version of
    Lynx for DOS... (My DOS computer does have some *nix
    commands on it, too, courtesy of my resident Wizard, who
    used a Unix mainframe at work at one time...) I can't do

    Ok, how about sharing?

    Not sure just what you are after... but, my Wizard
    suggested you look for something called The Berkeley
    Utilities... He found them on the web back in 2004, they
    are standard Unix commands for DOS, up-to-date as of Win98
    (so they recognize long file names). He says that if you
    can't find them he could send you a copy of them.

    Found them. opennetwork.com/berk.html

    Maybe make that the rule?

    It probably is sort of an unwritten one... but one doesn't
    necessarily know what anyone would glom onto... ;)

    any Java, though... but I rarely need it for what I'm
    doing. On the occasional time that I do, we just go to the
    Wizard's machine, which does have Java capabilities...

    Dos with Java? Or Windows or Linux?

    No, that's Windows(98) with Java... that's the machine
    that also has more protection on it, not being straight DOS
    and so less vulnerable.

    Any form of Windows, less vulnerable than Dos? Excuse me, I have
    to go lie down.



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  • From bob klahn@1:124/311 to KEVIN KLEMENT on Sun Jan 31 19:37:00 2010
    Hi Ole,

    Monday January 25 2010 22:46, Ole Juul wrote to Kevin
    Klement:

    Woa! Well so you're not running on a floppy then. :)

    Nope, My dosbox has a 40gb HDD, I tricked the BIOS into
    seeing the whole HDD with ez-bios. You know MS-DOS can't
    use anyting over 2gb.

    Romdos can. Though I really haven't gotten much into it. Google
    it and get the free version.

    ...

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  • From bob klahn@1:124/311 to OLE JUUL on Sun Feb 7 21:13:00 2010

    Nope, My dosbox has a 40gb HDD, I tricked the BIOS into
    seeing the whole HDD with ez-bios. You know MS-DOS can't
    use anyting over 2gb.

    Romdos can. Though I really haven't gotten much into it. Google
    it and get the free version.

    I know it's designed for embedded applications, but not sure
    what you get with it. I can only find the $495 version.
    Where do you get a free one?

    http://www.datalight.com

    Go to the products dropdown selection, go to romdos single user
    version.

    The single user version is the free version. You do have to sign
    up for a free account to download it.

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  • From bob klahn@1:124/311 to KEVIN KLEMENT on Sun Feb 7 21:13:00 2010
    Hi bob,

    Tuesday February 02 2010 21:14, bob klahn wrote to KEVIN
    KLEMENT:

    It is a version of DOS. From what I have seen on the
    website, I believe it is a direct outgrowth of MS Dos. I
    believe they used to sell MS Dos, but dropped the license.

    Ah...

    I guess I'll stick with MS-DOS ... It works. Anyhoo ez-bios
    setup my 20gb HDD just fine, into 2gb partitions.

    Romdos does bigger partitions, and has network stuff in it that
    sounds useful. I believe you can remote control it. Which sounds
    good for embedded operation.

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From Gene Buckle@1:138/142 to Bob Ackley on Wed Feb 17 06:59:51 2010
    Re: New here (hope I can
    By: Bob Ackley to Kevin Klement on Sun Feb 14 2010 05:03 am

    Of minimal interest is the fact that DRDOS will read CP/M formatted
    floppies without any special software.


    This is news to me, especially considering there are probably at least 60 different disk formats used by different brands & models of CP/M.

    I also don't recall seeing anything about CP/M in the OpenDOS (DR-DOS) source archives I've got.

    g.
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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to bob klahn on Mon Feb 1 15:23:42 2010
    Hi bob,

    Romdos can. Though I really haven't gotten much into it.
    Google it and get the free version.

    Romdos hu...

    Thanks for the tip Bob.


    Kevin
    klement@gypsy-designs.com

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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to bob klahn on Mon Feb 1 17:22:07 2010
    Hi bob,

    Sunday January 31 2010 19:37, bob klahn wrote to KEVIN KLEMENT:

    Romdos can. Though I really haven't gotten much into it.
    Google it and get the free version.

    Had a look, is romdos a OS?

    Kevin
    klement@gypsy-designs.com

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:261/1381 to bob klahn on Mon Feb 1 23:08:52 2010
    Quoting bob klahn to Nancy Backus on 31 Jan 10 02:06:00 <=-

    any Java, though... but I rarely need it for what I'm
    doing. On the occasional time that I do, we just go to the
    Wizard's machine, which does have Java capabilities...

    Dos with Java? Or Windows or Linux?

    No, that's Windows(98) with Java... that's the machine
    that also has more protection on it, not being straight DOS
    and so less vulnerable.

    Any form of Windows, less vulnerable than Dos? Excuse me, I have
    to go lie down.

    No, no... after I saw the message elsewhere, I saw that what I'd said
    wasn't said clearly... Dos is of course less vulnerable. Consider that
    last sentence to read "his computer being Windows is more vulnerable
    than mine, which is straight DOS and so (mine is) less vulnerable".
    Better? <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to bob klahn on Mon Feb 8 13:34:52 2010
    Hi bob,

    Sunday February 07 2010 21:13, bob klahn wrote to KEVIN KLEMENT:

    Romdos does bigger partitions, and has network stuff in it
    that sounds useful. I believe you can remote control it.
    Which sounds good for embedded operation.

    Sounds kinna cool hu. After installing a bunch of third party programs into MS-DOS 6.22 I have the same thing. I not a /big/ fan of MS either, just been using their software for years now. :(

    Kevin
    klement@gypsy-designs.com

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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to Ole Juul on Mon Feb 8 13:36:39 2010
    Hi Ole,

    Thursday February 04 2010 17:57, Ole Juul wrote to Kevin Klement:

    The old DrDOS, IBM-DOS, and FreeDOS, are available for

    Never used DrDOS or the others you quoted. I do have quite a few /good/ freeware apps tho.

    free and very good. I try not to have any dealings with
    Microsoft because I can't accept their ethics, but

    Ethics eh ..

    DOS is pretty good anyway, and 6.22 is only 133568 bytes.

    I got no complaints with MS-DOS, been using it since v3. It works fine. For you you said your kinna anal about space.. so thats OK, were all anal about one thing or another. :)

    Kevin
    klement@gypsy-designs.com

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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to bob klahn on Mon Feb 8 14:09:46 2010
    Hi bob,

    Sunday February 07 2010 21:13, bob klahn wrote to OLE JUUL:

    http://www.datalight.com

    Just browsed it.. vcool.

    Kevin
    klement@gypsy-designs.com

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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Ole Juul on Sun Feb 14 04:57:56 2010
    Replying to a message of Ole Juul to Kevin Klement:

    Kevin Klement wrote to bob klahn:
    I guess I'll stick with MS-DOS ... It works. Anyhoo ez-bios
    setup my 20gb HDD just fine, into 2gb partitions.

    The old DrDOS, IBM-DOS, and FreeDOS, are available for
    free and very good.

    IBM is still selling PC-DOS, so it probably isn't free. I have version
    6.3, which is Y2K compatible. Norton had a pretty good DOS product
    too (NDOS), they included it with the old Norton Utilities package.

    I try not to have any dealings with
    Microsoft because I can't accept their ethics,

    M$ has never displayed any, beginning with the first version of DOS -
    which contained code lifted directly and without either permission or attribution from Digital Research's CP/M-86.

    ---
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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Kevin Klement on Sun Feb 14 05:03:44 2010
    Replying to a message of Kevin Klement to Ole Juul:

    Hi Ole,

    Thursday February 04 2010 17:57, Ole Juul wrote to Kevin
    Klement:

    The old DrDOS, IBM-DOS, and FreeDOS, are available for

    Never used DrDOS or the others you quoted. I do have quite a
    few /good/ freeware apps tho.

    I have DRDOS versions 5, 7 and (Novell DOS) 7, plus PC-DOS 6.3. The
    DRDOS product is smaller than the equivalent M$ product and runs better
    and faster. I never found any DOS - or Windows 3x - programs that
    wouldn't run just fine on the DR product.

    Of minimal interest is the fact that DRDOS will read CP/M formatted
    floppies without any special software.

    ---
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  • From Ole Juul@1:261/20 to Bob Ackley on Tue Feb 16 00:11:11 2010

    Hi Bob,

    Bob Ackley wrote to Ole Juul:
    Replying to a message of Ole Juul to Kevin Klement:

    The old DrDOS, IBM-DOS, and FreeDOS, are available for
    free and very good.

    IBM is still selling PC-DOS, so it probably isn't free. I have version 6.3, which is Y2K compatible. Norton had a pretty good DOS product
    too (NDOS), they included it with the old Norton Utilities package.

    Ah yes, I forgot that IBM was still selling, I though I had
    seen an older version for download though. No matter, I've
    got my own copy if I want to play with it.

    I try not to have any dealings with
    Microsoft because I can't accept their ethics,

    M$ has never displayed any, beginning with the first version of DOS -
    which contained code lifted directly and without either permission or attribution from Digital Research's CP/M-86.

    Actually that is good to know. I don't, but quite a few
    people like to run CP/M-86. I'm not very familiar with
    CP/M but one of these days I'll dig out a Kaypro that
    I was saving. I know there are different K's and different
    CP/Ms so it will be a learning curve to figure out what
    goes with what.

    Regarding DOSses, I've always been curious about PTS. It
    is actually quite cheap now. It used to be 50 bucks but
    last I looked, it was much cheaper. I've tried the demo
    but that has a 1 minute bootup delay and that makes it
    really hard to get a satisfying try. Still, the idea of
    writing the whole thing in assembler has enourmous
    appeal to me.

    Cheers,
    Ole




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  • From bob klahn@1:124/311 to KEVIN KLEMENT on Tue Feb 2 21:14:00 2010
    Hi bob,

    Sunday January 31 2010 19:37, bob klahn wrote to KEVIN
    KLEMENT:

    Romdos can. Though I really haven't gotten much into it.
    Google it and get the free version.

    Had a look, is romdos a OS?

    It is a version of DOS. From what I have seen on the website, I
    believe it is a direct outgrowth of MS Dos. I believe they used
    to sell MS Dos, but dropped the license.



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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to Bob Ackley on Tue Feb 23 13:31:57 2010
    Hi Bob,

    I have DRDOS versions 5, 7 and (Novell DOS) 7, plus PC-DOS
    6.3. The DRDOS product is smaller than the equivalent M$

    Ah..

    Lots eh. I've only used MS-DOS, as a matter of fact, that was my first OS. I pretty much started with computers in 1988. MS-DOS, a Hayes smartmodem 2400bps and a IBM 286.

    product and runs better and faster. I never found any DOS -
    or Windows 3x - programs that wouldn't run just fine on the
    DR product.

    Id try DR then, It's Norton's OS ... Right?

    I'm still using v4.5 of the Norton Utilities on my dos box.

    Kevin

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  • From bob klahn@1:124/311 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jan 20 22:07:00 2010


    Hi Nancy!

    Wow, I didn't expect anybody to be here. What a treat!

    Oh, there's a few of us diehards still around... :)

    Yup. Old ?Diehards too.

    ...

    When I do do any browsing, which admittedly isn't very
    often, but does happen once in a while, I use a version of
    Lynx for DOS... (My DOS computer does have some *nix
    commands on it, too, courtesy of my resident Wizard, who
    used a Unix mainframe at work at one time...) I can't do

    Ok, how about sharing?

    Maybe make that the rule?

    any Java, though... but I rarely need it for what I'm
    doing. On the occasional time that I do, we just go to the
    Wizard's machine, which does have Java capabilities...

    Dos with Java? Or Windows or Linux?

    ...



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  • From Ole Juul@1:261/20 to bob klahn on Wed Feb 3 01:53:20 2010
    bob klahn wrote to KEVIN KLEMENT:
    Nope, My dosbox has a 40gb HDD, I tricked the BIOS into
    seeing the whole HDD with ez-bios. You know MS-DOS can't
    use anyting over 2gb.

    Romdos can. Though I really haven't gotten much into it. Google
    it and get the free version.

    I know it's designed for embedded applications, but not sure
    what you get with it. I can only find the $495 version. Where
    do you get a free one?



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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to bob klahn on Wed Feb 3 13:21:37 2010
    Hi bob,

    Tuesday February 02 2010 21:14, bob klahn wrote to KEVIN KLEMENT:

    It is a version of DOS. From what I have seen on the
    website, I believe it is a direct outgrowth of MS Dos. I
    believe they used to sell MS Dos, but dropped the license.

    Ah...

    I guess I'll stick with MS-DOS ... It works. Anyhoo ez-bios setup my 20gb HDD just fine, into 2gb partitions.

    Kevin

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  • From Ole Juul@1:261/20 to Kevin Klement on Wed Feb 10 02:51:40 2010
    Kevin Klement wrote to bob klahn:
    Sounds kinna cool hu. After installing a bunch of third party programs into
    MS-DOS 6.22 I have the same thing. I not a /big/ fan of MS either, just been
    using their software for years now. :(

    I use _all_ third party. To me an MS-DOS 6.22 installation
    consists of IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, and COMMAND.COM for a total
    of 133,568 bytes. The rest is just a bunch of utilities
    that I've grown fond of. Not MS ones though. :) I suppose
    I could just as well use the IBM DOS or other kernel, I've
    just gotten used to the MS one. Don't know what people mean
    about networking functionality. I've got a packet driver
    of a few kilobytes. That's all I need. Anyway, regarding
    Microsoft, their DOS is perfectly well written and not
    something I would complain about. Some of their utilities
    are another matter though.

    - Ole



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  • From Kevin Klement@1:342/77 to Ole Juul on Wed Feb 10 13:45:07 2010
    Hi Ole,

    Wednesday February 10 2010 02:51, Ole Juul wrote to Kevin Klement:

    Microsoft, their DOS is perfectly well written and not
    something I would complain about. Some of their utilities
    are another matter though.

    Microsoft... the people who brought you Edlin.

    Kevin

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  • From Ole Juul@1:261/20 to Kevin Klement on Wed Feb 10 22:53:29 2010
    Kevin Klement wrote to Ole Juul:

    Microsoft... the people who brought you Edlin.

    Hehe, Actually, Edlin still has some uses. Like sed,
    it can edit from a script, which is pretty cool.
    What other editors can be used in a batch file
    without intervention?

    I know, it's pretty clunky. It was my first editor
    however, but I've forgotten the commands. It's
    funny how many BBSs still use line editors though.
    I wonder what't up with that?

    Cheers,
    Ole



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  • From andrew clarke@3:633/267.1 to Bob Ackley on Thu Feb 25 11:13:02 2010
    On Sun 2010-02-14 04:57, Bob Ackley (1:300/3) wrote to Ole Juul:

    IBM is still selling PC-DOS, so it probably isn't free. I have version 6.3, which is Y2K compatible. Norton had a pretty good DOS product
    too (NDOS), they included it with the old Norton Utilities package.

    Norton's NDOS was just a rebranded version of JPSoft's 4DOS (version 4.x iirc).
    4DOS is just a COMMAND.COM replacement. It was released as open source a few years ago.

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  • From Ole Juul@1:261/20 to Kevin Klement on Thu Feb 4 17:57:44 2010
    Kevin Klement wrote to bob klahn:
    I guess I'll stick with MS-DOS ... It works. Anyhoo ez-bios setup my 20gb HDD
    just fine, into 2gb partitions.

    The old DrDOS, IBM-DOS, and FreeDOS, are available for
    free and very good. I try not to have any dealings with
    Microsoft because I can't accept their ethics, but
    I make one small concession and keep using their old
    DOS - but not their other, or newer, peograms. Their
    DOS is pretty good anyway, and 6.22 is only 133568 bytes.
    That makes it workable is some pretty small spaces so,
    for most people, there is not much reason to use
    RomDOS. If space is a problem, most people just go to
    v3.2 (or 3.3) which is only 77793 bytes. That's a lot
    of functionality in a small package!



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  • From bob klahn@1:124/311 to BOB ACKLEY on Thu Feb 25 22:04:00 2010

    Replying to a message of Ole Juul to Kevin Klement:

    Kevin Klement wrote to bob klahn:
    I guess I'll stick with MS-DOS ... It works. Anyhoo ez-bios
    setup my 20gb HDD just fine, into 2gb partitions.

    The old DrDOS, IBM-DOS, and FreeDOS, are available for
    free and very good.

    IBM is still selling PC-DOS, so it probably isn't free. I
    have version 6.3, which is Y2K compatible. Norton had a
    pretty good DOS product too (NDOS), they included it with
    the old Norton Utilities package.

    Actually, that was 4Dos licensed to Norton. It is part of Norton
    Utilities, ver 8 can be downloaded here.

    www.tinyurl.com/y8jeck3

    I have a copy in my backup image from my beloved Toshiba T1900
    486sx20 that finally died a year or so ago.

    I try not to have any dealings with
    Microsoft because I can't accept their ethics,

    M$ has never displayed any, beginning with the first
    version of DOS - which contained code lifted directly and
    without either permission or attribution from Digital
    Research's CP/M-86.

    Not to mention stacker disk compressor.


    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:261/1381 to bob klahn on Sat Jan 23 03:15:27 2010
    Quoting bob klahn to Nancy Backus on 20 Jan 10 22:07:00 <=-

    When I do do any browsing, which admittedly isn't very
    often, but does happen once in a while, I use a version of
    Lynx for DOS... (My DOS computer does have some *nix
    commands on it, too, courtesy of my resident Wizard, who
    used a Unix mainframe at work at one time...) I can't do

    Ok, how about sharing?

    Not sure just what you are after... but, my Wizard suggested you look
    for something called The Berkeley Utilities... He found them on the web
    back in 2004, they are standard Unix commands for DOS, up-to-date as of
    Win98 (so they recognize long file names). He says that if you can't
    find them he could send you a copy of them.

    Maybe make that the rule?

    It probably is sort of an unwritten one... but one doesn't necessarily
    know what anyone would glom onto... ;)

    any Java, though... but I rarely need it for what I'm
    doing. On the occasional time that I do, we just go to the
    Wizard's machine, which does have Java capabilities...

    Dos with Java? Or Windows or Linux?

    No, that's Windows(98) with Java... that's the machine that also has
    more protection on it, not being straight DOS and so less vulnerable.

    ttyl neb

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