Quoting mark lewis to Ole Juul on 02-25-10 13:59 <=-

Yes, I've been reading... but a) have been about a week behind lately,
and b) Holodeck, for whatever reason, hasn't been getting most of the
traffic from this echo, so I'm even further behind for this echo.

So I've been checking out telnet commands. I can't find anything for uploading files.. (snip) the concensus is that it can't be done. :(

(snip)

so they whipped up some telnet terminals that incorporated zmodem and other protocols in the telnet client so that the file xfers would take place within the telnet connection stream much like BBS' have always
done on a dialup connection... the analogy is that the telnet stream is akin to the phone line copper connection...

(snip)

i've been away from those for many years, now... i don't know what is available that would have zmodem, at least, built into it... since
this is the DOS internet echo, i'm sure that someone would have an
idea... maybe nancy does if she's reading this... she does the dos

You should have on your board Richard's TelNetPort (TNPort) which he
wrote to fix the upload problem for the zmodem/telnet/dos combination.
If you don't have it any more, I can upload it to your files... :)

internet thing and downloads some of her offline mail packets from me using such...

Yup. DOS only, via telnet, and it's for ALL of my offline packets
through you, and from all the other BBSes I call as well... and the
uploads for the reply packets as well...

I am however intimately familiar FTP.

lemme think about stuff and read some more... FTP is also fallin by
the wayside in many cases... one thing because of its lack of
security... like telnet, everything is sent in the raw... one only need spy on the stream to see the usernames and passwords flowing by...

In the DOS setup hubby did for me, there's FTP too, he says he fixed the
buggy one in the WATTCP package (FTP07) for me. He says there's a
partially fixed version of that, same name, out there, but he couldn't
find it. Of course, none of these are secure, as you say.

there is sFTP which is secure but i don't/can't set it up here as there
is no software doing that available for the OS on this machine...

Hubby says you should be able to get a secure one for Linux, but he
doesn't think there's one for DOS or OS/2. He'd been thinking about
adding secure sockets to ours, but hasn't done so as of yet.

PS: If you know of a telnet client for Linux or BSD
which would work, I run those too.

there are definitely one or two available for linux... at least one
was written by the synchronet maintainer, IIRC... they're very telix like... i just hope that someone else chimes in with the names of
them... i just don't recall what they are :?

Can't help you there. :)

ttyl neb

... "...and never, never invoke anything you can't banish!"


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HI Nancy,

On Sat 2038-Mar-06 17:32, Nancy Backus (1:261/1381) wrote to Richard Webb:

that frontiernet may require more also, but I could be wrong... If
it would be helpful, I could ask him... :)

MIght be. There's an authentication layer on smtp now as
wlel, and an additional with pop3 as well as username and
pw. Any other at&T mail users here? IF so you know what
i"m talking about.

Ok, I asked him... He says the one he wrote allows for the
additional smtp and pop3 login information, although so far we
haven't had to use it. He figured that somewhere along the line it
could be needed. It's called POPSMT07.ZIP and should be on Waldo's
as I've uploaded it there.

WIll have a look, see if it's made it to his available files base yet. FIrst got to run out and get some coffee, totally brain faded when I went to the store yesterday afternoon and didn't get any <g>> NOw I"ve got to get lady dressed so she can run me up to the store, otherwise her morning coffee
will be delayed 2 hours while I make the trip on foot.

As it is their old bellsouth mail server mysteriously
appeared again day after I queried this echo on that one.

Go figure. :) Maybe it was only down temporarily, and
unintentionally? Every so often we have glitches with both of our
ISPs, where they don't seem to want to recognize us... then it
resolves on its own... ;)

YEp, I figure they don't know it still exists, at least the
phone drones don't.

HOwever, once I"ve slowed down a bit I"m hoping Ole finds me contact
info for that other outfit that ofers pop3 and smtp services for a
nominal fee, as I"d like to set up transex for fido packets as well via email tunneling, to have another method of fido contact between nodes, etc.

Backups are always a good thing... ;)

YEp, got that info from Ole as well, will make contact with
them here in a week or so.


Thanks!


Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Radio REscue net operations BBS (1:116/901)

* In a cyberspace transmission to Mark Lewis, Nancy Backus said:

Quoting mark lewis to Ole Juul on 02-25-10 13:59 <=-

Yes, I've been reading... but a) have been about a week
behind lately,
and b) Holodeck, for whatever reason, hasn't been getting
most of the
traffic from this echo, so I'm even further behind for this
echo.

I noticed some boards would get messages and some wouldn't
Perhaps there was a broken link in the chain. :)

<snip>

You should have on your board Richard's TelNetPort (TNPort)
which he
wrote to fix the upload problem for the zmodem/telnet/dos
combination.
If you don't have it any more, I can upload it to your
files... :)

I would be interested in seing that. I've been scouring
the internet for the last 10 years for DOS programs, so
there probably isn't any networking program out there which
I don't have.

Yup. DOS only, via telnet, and it's for ALL of my offline
packets
through you, and from all the other BBSes I call as well...
and the
uploads for the reply packets as well...

Good to know.

In the DOS setup hubby did for me, there's FTP too, he says
he fixed the
buggy one in the WATTCP package (FTP07) for me. He says
there's a
partially fixed version of that, same name, out there, but
he couldn't
find it. Of course, none of these are secure, as you say.

There are two WATTCP programs out ther .07 which is buggy, and
.065 which kind of works. However there are two other ones
which work properly. In the LXTCP package is LXFTP and that
works not too badly. It is indeed a fix of the WATTCP version.
The best though is the latest, which is in Mike Brutman's
mTCP suite. It is much faster than any of the others are
(so far) seems bug free.

there is sFTP which is secure but i don't/can't set it up here as

there

is no software doing that available for the OS on this machine...

Hubby says you should be able to get a secure one for
Linux, but he
doesn't think there's one for DOS or OS/2. He'd been
thinking about
adding secure sockets to ours, but hasn't done so as of
yet.

Nagy Daniels (of DOS mouse driver fame and more) has a version
of SSH for DOS called SSH2DOS. I use it occationally and it
appears to work as advertised. Generally, I don't need the
security so I don't bother. After all the biggest use is to
move files areound the house to different computers so
security is not an issue. The other use is in maintaining
web pages, and I keep a sharp eye on the web, so not much
can happen there either.

PS: If you know of a telnet client for Linux or BSD
which would work, I run those too.

there are definitely one or two available for linux... at least one

Yep, I've got lots. For BSD as well. It's interesting, but
int eh Unix world the telnet programs don't seem to normally
do downloads. What people traditionally do is adminster
other computers with telnet (nowadays SSH) and then use
something else, much faster and better suited, for file
transfer. The BBS use of telnet is a special situation
which seems to have arisen in recent times.

was written by the synchronet maintainer, IIRC... they're very telix like... i just hope that someone else chimes in with the names of them... i just don't recall what they are :?

That's all the information I need to find it. Thanks!
I'll have a look as I want as much functionality at
my available as possible. However, in this case it is
really just for the one purpose of getting a program to
Richard. Once he gets properly connected to the web
it will be a piece of cake. I'll send him single
executables like WGET and he can just type the name
(and URL) of the file and, voila, it will arrive.

Actually, Nancy, I did get the file there eventually. :)
I also set up a web page so that when he get's anything
going, I can put files there for him. I tried the
download of the file in question with LYNX and even
that worked very well.

Cheers,
Ole


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Quoting Richard Webb to Ole Juul on 02-22-10 03:51 <=-

On Sun 2038-Feb-21 21:40, Ole Juul (1:3634/12) wrote to Richard Webb:

Revisiting this one (as I ran through my other backup packets, I read it again)...

That is, unless you're using at&T which is now using the
yahoo mail server, and yahoo requires additional
authentication beyond user id and password, which is why I
asked.
WHich also makes the usual pop3 and smtp clients for dos now a
problem, as there's no way to get that data into them.
HEnce why I asked the question.

I wonder if the pop/smtp thingy that the wizard (I think) wrote (or at
least modified for me) has the ability... It may well... I think that frontiernet may require more also, but I could be wrong... If it would
be helpful, I could ask him... :)

ttyl neb

... ERROR: LPT1: not found. Use pencil and paper.


* Origin: (1:3634/12)

HI there,

On Mon 2038-Mar-01 22:28, Nancy Backus (1:3634/12) wrote to Richard Webb:

Revisiting this one (as I ran through my other backup packets, I
read it again)...

That is, unless you're using at&T which is now using the
yahoo mail server, and yahoo requires additional
authentication beyond user id and password, which is why I
asked.
WHich also makes the usual pop3 and smtp clients for dos now a
problem, as there's no way to get that data into them.
HEnce why I asked the question.

I wonder if the pop/smtp thingy that the wizard (I think) wrote (or
at least modified for me) has the ability... It may well... I think
that frontiernet may require more also, but I could be wrong... If
it would be helpful, I could ask him... :)

MIght be. There's an authentication layer on smtp now as
wlel, and an additional with pop3 as well as username and
pw. Any other at&T mail users here? IF so you know what
i"m talking about.

As it is their old bellsouth mail server mysteriously
appeared again day after I queried this echo on that one.
HOwever, once I"ve slowed down a bit I"m hoping Ole finds me contact info for that other outfit that ofers pop3 and smtp
services for a nominal fee, as I"d like to set up transex
for fido packets as well via email tunneling, to have
another method of fido contact between nodes, etc.

... ERROR: LPT1: not found. Use pencil and paper.

- Origin: (1:3634/12)

Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Radio REscue net operations BBS (1:116/901)

Quoting Ole Juul to Nancy Backus on 01 Mar 10 02:57:00 <=-

You should have on your board Richard's TelNetPort (TNPort) which he
wrote to fix the upload problem for the zmodem/telnet/dos combination.
If you don't have it any more, I can upload it to your files... :)

I would be interested in seing that. I've been scouring
the internet for the last 10 years for DOS programs, so
there probably isn't any networking program out there which
I don't have.

Check out what Mark has on Waldo's... He does have it available
webside, if it's on the bbs. Hubby remembers our putting it there along
with some other files... at Mark's request... so it should be there.

ttyl neb

... Murphy's Fifth Corollary: Every solution breeds new problems.
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
* Origin: The Holodeck BBS telnet://holo.homeip.net:2323 (1:261/1381)

Quoting Richard Webb to Nancy Backus on 02 Mar 10 04:56:50 <=-

WHich also makes the usual pop3 and smtp clients for dos now a
problem, as there's no way to get that data into them.
HEnce why I asked the question.

I wonder if the pop/smtp thingy that the wizard (I think) wrote (or
at least modified for me) has the ability... It may well... I think
that frontiernet may require more also, but I could be wrong... If
it would be helpful, I could ask him... :)

MIght be. There's an authentication layer on smtp now as
wlel, and an additional with pop3 as well as username and
pw. Any other at&T mail users here? IF so you know what
i"m talking about.

Ok, I asked him... He says the one he wrote allows for the additional
smtp and pop3 login information, although so far we haven't had to use
it. He figured that somewhere along the line it could be needed. It's
called POPSMT07.ZIP and should be on Waldo's as I've uploaded it there.

As it is their old bellsouth mail server mysteriously
appeared again day after I queried this echo on that one.

Go figure. :) Maybe it was only down temporarily, and
unintentionally? Every so often we have glitches with both of our ISPs,
where they don't seem to want to recognize us... then it resolves on its
own... ;)

HOwever, once I"ve slowed down a bit I"m hoping Ole finds me contact
info for that other outfit that ofers pop3 and smtp services for a
nominal fee, as I"d like to set up transex for fido packets as well via email tunneling, to have another method of fido contact between nodes, etc.

Backups are always a good thing... ;)

ttyl neb

... Apologize... It's the best way to get in the last word!!
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20
* Origin: The Holodeck BBS telnet://holo.homeip.net:2323 (1:261/1381)