RICHARD WEBB wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

HI Wayne,

On Sat 2038-Apr-03 14:37, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

Skinhead owner goes a long way toward explaining that animals
behavior.

YEp, our first ROtt, Roxy which we adopted off the streets
of NEw oRleans belonged to a crack dealer, she saw him
gunned down. Crack dealer's cousin who fought pit bulls
took her in, but she wouldn't fight, so he turned her out on the
street. I"ve told the story in this echo before though, it's a long
sad tale. WE gave her the best years of her life, and even with the heartworm she lived to a ripe old age before hte strokes
robbed her of enjoyable and useful life.

Well I fibbed just a little on the Pit Bull I owned.
He actually growled twice in his life.

Once at the woman who struck her kid
and me when I FIRST went to give him a bath.

YEp, you've got to be assertive, Caesar's "calm assertive."
IT actually works.

Yeah, I'm kinda glad it works that way.
Dispite his gentle ways Spanky was all but an invulnerable
and had I brought him up another way could have been a real terror.

Roxy, as I said was adopted off the street. Being a blind
man there was one thing we had to get straight right away
since we lived inner city. That was that any time I
demanded when I noted she'd picked something up off the
street I be permitted to inspect what she had. IF it was
safe, it would be returned to her. IF not ...

This was especially important as I was a townhouse dweller,
no real yard to take her into for relief, so walks were the
order of the day, either to vacant lots or other places,
with the fanny pack with the baggies, etc.

So a couple weeks into this she was doing alright with the
"let daddy see it" which means open mouth and drop whatever
she had into my hand. She'd figured out what blindness
meant, that if she picked it up on the street and held it
quietly I"d never know she had it. Then when we got home
she could go stash it near her food bowl, retrieve it when I was
upstairs in my office. But, the didn't think about my
lady being home.

SHe picked up something on her nightly before bedtime walk
on this evening, and held it quietly. When we got home my
lady says "she's got something in her mouth." I went to
make her let me see it, as usual, but she decided she was
going to assert herself. I reached for it, she bit down on
my fingers, and I proceeded to thump on that dog for awhile
with hands and feet, spraying blood from my hand all over
the place in the process. She was cowering in the corner
finally, lady was grabbing me to pull me back and see my
hand. After that dog never argued when I did the "let me
see it" thing.

I never got bit by Spanky except once as a joke.
Just a tiny little pinch with the small front teeth to get my attention,
it was the canine version of a practical joke.

Nobody ever got bit by Spanky.

Schotze otoh has been with me since she was first weaned, as we bought
her from a breeder in MInnesota. SHe's never
disputed my status as alpha in this pack. Every once in
awhile she tries to assert herself as alpha female over my
lady, since Kathy is wheelchair bound often, and not real
strong nor agile.

Heck I'm largely bedridden these last 16 years and my Pit Bull
served as a companion dog for the disabled.

I'd often wished I could take him around to old persons homes and
hospitals as companion dogs sometimes are to cheer up the infirm and elderly.

British Staffordshire Bull Terriers are a disappeared breed as eveyone seems to want
the bigger and badder variety the American Staffordshire.

Quite a strikingly beautiful animal and smart like you wouldn't believe.

At times when he tried to communicate with me and if I didn't
catch on right away to what he was trying to get across to me
he gave me a look like what's up stupid?

Invariably I'd figure it out after a while.

HOwever, Kathy doesn't back down, and she knows that
if she challenges Kathy at all I'll be on her
like white on rice. There are the usual "this is my spot in the bed mommy, I"m alpha female" every night, but she moves
when Kathy grabs the choke chain and gives it a gentle tug.

Yeah, I found out you couldn't let the Pit Bull sleep on the bed
at face to face level or he'd begin to challenge my authority.

That said this terror of a Pit Bull got into the trash in the kitchen five times
in twelve years and that was the entire extent of his misbehavior.

OTOH the neighbors where SHOCKED when observing Spanky having picked up a pork chop
bone outside he was choking on having caught in his throat when I reached down hs
throat and dislodged it.

I came away from that without a scratch.

Man that dog was SMART and had excellent judgement.

I was ALWAYS so proud of him.

Schotze's main problem right now is not enough exercise, and that's a tough one for us. I"m hoping to find a used

Yeah due to limited mobility I tried to find a decent home for him at age
six but all I found were people wanting an attack dog or one to hunt
wild boar.

Forget that.
He was far too quality an individual to waste on such stupidity.

treadmill so that I can help her alleviate some of that.
WHen I"m not totally worn out at the end of a day we'll go
for a late night ramble once in awhile, but not often
enough, and that's one resolution that with warmer weather
coming I"m trying to do better at this year.

Kinda a dramatic deal with a dog that could rip your face off 18
inches from your face but after that I was alpha male and pack
leaded and why he looked to me
to free him from that monster Amstaff Pit.

YEp, know the feeling. Schotze could take a person out
quite easily, but when it comes to this pack she knows with
no doubt that the old blind man is alpha male. SHe has her
little games she tries to play every once in awhile, but
when push comes to shove and I cut it off she knows that
it's not to be pushed further.

Oh yeah, BTW, I too am rather fond of Rotties.
Generally rather sweet tempered and rather intelligent.

YOu bet. When Kathy was very sick a couple of years ago she had a bit
of a problem with wet clothing, but she'd be too
weak to get up often. When she'd need to be changed to dry
clothing and dry bedding Schotze would be lying in there on
the bed with her. Schotze would come into my office and bug me until I went back to check on Kathy and found her
situation.

Rotties are also the only dogs I know that pur when they're
petted like a cat. MIne does for sure.

Spanky used used to crack me up when dreaming, he'd woof a sound like a puppy under water and I'd even taught him not to bark as to not disturb the neighbors,
that took a whole two weeks of _requests_, he was really quite the accomodating gentleman.

I always used to say if you judge me by the behavior of my Pit Bull
you've really way too high of an opinon of me.

People should be as sweet and as well behaved.

I never replaced him as there never could be a replacement for that guy. Remarkable fellow and my best friend ever.

I lived in a bad drug neighborhood so I used to walk him a few blocks away
so people wouldn't get used to the fact he was a marshmellow.

However when I walked him down the bad streets I short leaded him, this amoung the
few times he was ever on a lead I short leaded him as to make him appear badass and people invariably drew back away from him.

What a joke, he'd do nothing more than walk up to give them a lick
had I not restrained him.

Really an incredibly tough dog with the gentlest of attitudes.

The British Staffordshire Bull Terrier really is strikingly beautiful IMO and remarkably intelligent.

We could communicate our thoughts by merely making eye contact.

Such a shame they only live an average of 12 years.

The police one time gave me a hassle for walking him off lead so I walked
him ocassionally on a cat lead I could have snapped without half trying.

Heck that animal could have snapped the heavy leather lead I had for him
had he desired to without much effort.

An incredibly powerful breed of animal and believe me when that AMSTAFF clamped down on my hand when I loosed Spanky from it's grip I believed every bit of their two
thousand pound per inch bite force.

The sweetest thing.

There we were both nursing our wounds from that encounter, his far worse than mine.
he'd been laying at the foot of the bed when he got up and walked up to my face and gave me a wet one on the cheek and laid back down.

He was thanking me for saving him from that monster dog.
I literally teared up.

It was worth the pain for I had him another two years before I had to have him put to sleep.


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HI Wayne,

On Sun 2038-Apr-04 05:32, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

<snip>

Roxy, as I said was adopted off the street. Being a blind
man there was one thing we had to get straight right away
since we lived inner city. That was that any time I
demanded when I noted she'd picked something up off the
street I be permitted to inspect what she had.

<snip>

I never got bit by Spanky except once as a joke.
Just a tiny little pinch with the small front teeth to get my
attention, it was the canine version of a practical joke.

Schotze will sort of grab at my arm, and tell me she wants
to play and roughhouse a bit. HEr favorite toys seem to be
those knotted ropes you see, but I quit buying them. I
recycled some that held up wire antennas, and the old stuff
got knotted up and turned into such a toy. sHe knows when
she wants to get too rambunctious I tell her "go get your
rope" and she'll come trotting back with it. AS I type this message she's got her head in my lap./ She's telling me
mommy's up and made her morning trip to the little room.

THe only difficulty we really have with her because of
Kathy's medical situation is whenever I"m dealing with
Kathy's oxygen tanks instead of her concentrator. A few
weeks after Kathy first went on external oxygen I was
getting ready to trade tanks, empties for fulls with the
supplier who was due the next day. We'd asked him to bring
us an extra large supply as we had a whole weekend of
activity ahead and a meeting later that week to drive to,
which meant Kathy would be on bottled oxy quite a bit. I
had one bottle which had the seal broken off it because I"d
hooked her up to it during a thunderstorm, and another large bottle, these are the size you see in hospitals etc. that
have their own little two wheelers, so I went to crack each
tank open with the oxygen valve key to determine which one
aws the truly empty.
AS I cracked one open it was pointed right at Schotze, and
that hiss and the rush of air drove her crazy.

NOw every time I go to work with one of those tanks she goes crazy and tries to
attack the tank, telling me to not mess
with that thing.

I'd often wished I could take him around to old persons homes and
hospitals as companion dogs sometimes are to cheer up the infirm and elderly.

SAme here with Schotze. She's actually quite loving, and
all that bouncing off the door isn't about "let me rip your
arm off sucker" as it is "come here and pet me, play with
me."

British Staffordshire Bull Terriers are a disappeared breed as
eveyone seems to want
the bigger and badder variety the American Staffordshire.

YEp, the redneck dogfighter types like the bigger badder
ones. That's the bad thing about rotts, these folks think
that a rott would be a good fighting dog, but rotts aren't
fighters. NOw, caveat being that I don't think I"d come
messing around my audio truck when Schotze is outside, or
try to break in here were I a stranger. I don't think it
would be real beneficial to someone's health to do that.
SHe and I play a bit rough, but I encourage her to
understand that she's supposed to be a bit intimidating.

Yeah, I found out you couldn't let the Pit Bull sleep on the bed at
face to face level or he'd begin to challenge my authority.

SHe tries that, but she makes a game out of it, then backs
down. Once Kathy and I are settled in the bed she'll start
out over on my side of the bed, then late in the night
she'll be over lying on Kathy's legs. When Kathy's
hospitalized for a week or tow at a time she sleeps right in mama's spot though.

That said this terror of a Pit Bull got into the trash in the
kitchen five times
in twelve years and that was the entire extent of his misbehavior.

Schotze finds the trash irresistible. The kitchen trash is
barricaded by a stepstool and other stuff, my office trash
is kept in the closet over here, which means that if we do
poultry the bones go in my office trash. ROttweilers are by nature a bit aggressive when it comes to anything edible.
The guy who boards her occasionally for us always says she's "food aggressive."
I always have to remind him, she's
demand fed at home, food is always available to her, when
she wants it. So, he has to remember to put hers down
first, go down the row of other kennels, distribute food,
then start at opposite end a few minutes later, picking up
hers last. HE raises Britany spaniels.

OTOH the neighbors where SHOCKED when observing Spanky having picked
up a pork chop
bone outside he was choking on having caught in his throat when I
reached down hs
throat and dislodged it.

But of course you could, you're alpha male. Part of that
alpha thing with a pack also has to do with trust.

Schotze's main problem right now is not enough exercise, and that's a tough one for us. I"m hoping to find a used

Yeah due to limited mobility I tried to find a decent home for him
at age six but all I found were people wanting an attack dog or one
to hunt wild boar.

That wouldn't work I'm sure. I'd hate the thought of having to find a home for
Schotze.

I always used to say if you judge me by the behavior of my Pit Bull
you've really way too high of an opinon of me.

People should be as sweet and as well behaved.

Ditto for most Rotts I've encountered.

<snip>

However when I walked him down the bad streets I short leaded him,
this amoung the
few times he was ever on a lead I short leaded him as to make him
appear badass and people invariably drew back away from him.

I short lead Schotze often on walks when there are people
around, just because she's big and scary, but she's actually friendly. I encourage neighborhood children to pet her and
get to know her however. they know that if I"m around with
her she's safe to come and pet. Their parents are actually
more nervous about the encounter than the kids are.

Such a shame they only live an average of 12 years.

That's about the same lifespan for ROtts. Schotze and I
don't do the eye contact thing, but certain words and
phrases communicate to her instantly what I want her to do,
and I"m also big on the hand gesture along with the voice
command, one *must* be accompanied by the other for her to
respond appropriately.


Regards,
Richard
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BOB ACKLEY wrote to RICHARD WEBB <=-

Replying to a message of Richard Webb to all:

tHey say in this little note: "We have had an unacceptable

number of dogs test positive for heartworm that have been on
pone of the preventatives listed ... "

One has to wonder how they define 'unacceptable.' When I lived in Plattsmouth, the local vet had a map of the city posted on the waiting room wall - with push pins
stuck in it to indicate the locations of heartworm infected dogs.
There were a bunch
of such pins - including one at my house as one of my dogs contracted heartworm and
it cost me right about $500 to get him cured.

My Pit Bull developed heartworm.

My girl and country farm girl she was found some kind of effectively
whitch doctor medicine practitioner giving out farm style doses of
cattle dewormers.

Stuff in a capsule 1/4 size a golf ball and ruptured smelled of turpintine.

Stuff that down a Pit Bulls mouth about 6 times and just find out
how tight they can clamp those jaws shut.

Yet eventually he'd submit on command.
Pit Bull, go figure.

OF course heart guard is listed.

When querying our vet's office about this yesterday, we were
told the following:

IF we were to switch to this new formulation we could remain
on our monthly regimen. HOwever, we'd still need to treat
with the frontline for tick control.

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

The only thing I hear from my vets is a reminder when shots are due.

Here in Florida essential every thirty days Heartguard Plus.

The only treatment for heartworm in a infected animal is
arsenic based and it's a bit dicey which might kill first.

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Replying to a message of Richard Webb to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE:

Schotze will sort of grab at my arm, and tell me she wants
to play and roughhouse a bit.

Stormy, a black lab mix and mother of most of the dogs still here, used
to grab my hand and pull me over to the driver's side door of the car.
The first time she did it I had no idea what the heck she was doing.
Of course, she wanted to go for a ride - she LOVED to ride in cars
and pickup trucks.

Had her neutered after the pups were weaned (one litter is enough).
The night after the surgery she chewed out the stitches and gave herself
a massive infection we couldn't control. 2 weeks (and nearly $700) later
she died.

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HI Bob,

On Mon 2038-Apr-05 07:35, Bob Ackley (1:300/3) wrote to Richard Webb:

Schotze will sort of grab at my arm, and tell me she wants
to play and roughhouse a bit.

Stormy, a black lab mix and mother of most of the dogs still here,
used to grab my hand and pull me over to the driver's side door of
the car. The first time she did it I had no idea what the heck she
was doing. Of course, she wanted to go for a ride - she LOVED to
ride in cars and pickup trucks.

CAn believe that one, seen similar. Schotze likes to go for a ride still.

Had her neutered after the pups were weaned (one litter is enough).
The night after the surgery she chewed out the stitches and gave
herself a massive infection we couldn't control. 2 weeks (and
nearly $700) later she died.

YEp, sounds like you needed one of those cone shaped things
they put on a dog to keep them from worrying at such a
wound, but I've only seem them used on the little lap dog
breeds at vet's offices.

Roxy had a real bad infection in a left rear leg, vet wanted to do surgery on it, but meanwhile Kathy and I were trying
other treatments, and that meant wrapping the wound with
some gauze, etc after treating it with antibiotic ointment.
It was always a wound because she'd be worrying at it
constantly. After a couple months of this, and a move out
of inner city NEw ORleans it cleared up though.


A big part of that was keeping her from worrying out it, and just the gauze wrap did that. WE wrapped it so that it was
difficult for her to get at, and after a few days she just
quit trying. She didn't like us wrapping it, but she
understood she didn't have a choice, I'd hold her head and
keep her calm while Kathy wrapped the wound.

Funny thing was there for awhile I'd come home from work and we'd have all sorts of medical stuff to do, Kathy's foot had been surgified and I was repacking and wrapping it every
night, and about twice a week we'd end up rewrapping the
dog's leg.

Regards,
Richard
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Replying to a message of Richard Webb to Bob Ackley:

Stormy, a black lab mix and mother of most of the dogs
still here, used to grab my hand and pull me over to the
driver's side door of the car. The first time she did it I
had no idea what the heck she was doing. Of course, she
wanted to go for a ride - she LOVED to ride in cars and
pickup trucks.

CAn believe that one, seen similar. Schotze likes to go for
a ride still.

Had her neutered after the pups were weaned (one litter is
enough). The night after the surgery she chewed out the
stitches and gave herself a massive infection we couldn't
control. 2 weeks (and nearly $700) later she died.

She's buried out in what is now my orchard ... under a dogwood tree,
really (I planted the tree there after I buried her).

YEp, sounds like you needed one of those cone shaped things
they put on a dog to keep them from worrying at such a
wound, but I've only seem them used on the little lap dog
breeds at vet's offices.

Those cone-shaped things are called 'Elizabethan collars' (after collars popular a couple of centuries ago in England) and cost about $15 a pop.
I recently had my newest arrival spayed and she destroyed one and I
had to have it replaced.

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HI Bob,

On Tue 2038-Apr-06 05:51, Bob Ackley (1:300/3) wrote to Richard Webb:

Replying to a message of Richard Webb to Bob Ackley:

Stormy, a black lab mix and mother of most of the dogs
still here, used to grab my hand and pull me over to the
driver's side door of the car.

<snip>

enough). The night after the surgery she chewed out the
stitches and gave herself a massive infection we couldn't
control. 2 weeks (and nearly $700) later she died.

She's buried out in what is now my orchard ... under a dogwood tree,
really (I planted the tree there after I buried her).

SOunds fitting <g>.

YEp, sounds like you needed one of those cone shaped things
they put on a dog to keep them from worrying at such a
wound, but I've only seem them used on the little lap dog
breeds at vet's offices.

Those cone-shaped things are called 'Elizabethan collars' (after
collars popular a couple of centuries ago in England) and cost about
$15 a pop. I recently had my newest arrival spayed and she destroyed
one and I had to have it replaced.

Thanks, always wondered what they called those things.

Btw, a friend of mine does dog rescues in FLorida, she uses
a formulation of vitamins and something else she makes up
from components bought in bulk, so she doesn't use the
traditional heart guard, etc. thing. sHe's going to ask
some people she knows if anybody else is hearing about this, or if my vet just read the slick brochure and apssed along
all the buzzwords and bs trying to sell me something. GOt
ot call her later on this morning to see waht she learned.


Regards,
Richard
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RICHARD WEBB wrote to ALL <=-

Hello all!

Got an interesting little note from our veterinarian
yesterday admonishing us to switch from the heart guard
we've been using to a new product, which supposedly does
flea control, supplanting the Front line for that purpose.
ONly trouble is, for those of us who are rural, or semi
rural is that it doesn't do tick control.

tHey say in this little note: "We have had an unacceptable
number of dogs test positive for heartworm that have been on pone of
the preventatives listed ... "

OF course heart guard is listed.

When querying our vet's office about this yesterday, we were told the following:

IF we were to switch to this new formulation we could remain on our monthly regimen. HOwever, we'd still need to treat
with the frontline for tick control.

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

It's only one anecdotal account but My Spanky was on both Heart Guard Plus and Frontline for his entire life.

No problems at all.

British Staffordshire Bull Terrier ( pit bull) and the sweetest guy you'd ever meet.

I also fed him raw turkey necks as treats thawing them overnight and thus he never
required a teeth cleaning.

Dogs are immune to salminela but this recomendation is only for larger dogs that can
take down a turkey neck in three minutes like my friend Spanky.

Not ever neutered and due to hip dyplasia on steroids the last 3 1/2 years on his
life for pain he was a docile wonder and my best friend.

Whatta guy!

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HI Wayne,

On Fri 2038-Apr-02 21:05, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

It's only one anecdotal account but My Spanky was on both Heart
Guard Plus and Frontline for his entire life.

THey're new to me with Schotze, our Rottie, 3 years old. I
think we had Roxy our old rottie on them after we got her,
but back in the '80's I had my Buddy on heartworm biscuits,
administered daily.

British Staffordshire Bull Terrier ( pit bull) and the sweetest guy
you'd ever meet.

Pits often have an undeserved reputation, as do ROttweilers. oURs is very loving, and when Kathy's ill she's Kathy's
"call the nurse" bell, nurse being me <g>. I can be in here working, and if mama has a problem Schotze comes to get me.

I also fed him raw turkey necks as treats thawing them overnight and
thus he never
required a teeth cleaning.

SHe gets good beef bones. RAw poultry I guess they could
have, cooked no way because of what it does to the bones.

Regards,
Richard
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RICHARD WEBB wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

HI Wayne,

On Fri 2038-Apr-02 21:05, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

It's only one anecdotal account but My Spanky was on both Heart
Guard Plus and Frontline for his entire life.

THey're new to me with Schotze, our Rottie, 3 years old. I
think we had Roxy our old rottie on them after we got her,
but back in the '80's I had my Buddy on heartworm biscuits,
administered daily.

British Staffordshire Bull Terrier ( pit bull) and the sweetest guy
you'd ever meet.

Pits often have an undeserved reputation, as do ROttweilers. oURs is
very loving, and when Kathy's ill she's Kathy's
"call the nurse" bell, nurse being me <g>. I can be in here working,
and if mama has a problem Schotze comes to get me.

I also fed him raw turkey necks as treats thawing them overnight and
thus he never
required a teeth cleaning.

SHe gets good beef bones. RAw poultry I guess they could
have, cooked no way because of what it does to the bones.

I kept red meat away from Spanky due to the fact it's supposed to make
them aggressive.

Thawed raw turkey necks OTOH never presented a problem and boy
did that critter chow down on them!

You're right, you can't cook them as the bone or catilage hardens
and the dog's throat might become injured but as I say dogs do not
get slaminella<sp>

One day I was walking Spanky off lead as per usual when we came across a mother and her son.

She'd just struck her son a good one upside the face,
Spanky sat, bared his teeth and gave an impressive snarl just
as she had her arm drawn back to strike the child again.

The woman froze in shock and threatened to call the police to which
I replied go ahead I'll report your child abuse.

I lavished praise on Spanky for his good judgement afterwords.

I had a pit bull that didn't like violence, kinda weird in a way.

He often showed similarly good judgement in other situations however
once again it was weird watching him get his snout torn apart by a feral
cat that lived under the house as he wagged his tail he was so friendly.

Outside of that woman striking her child I'd never seen him even growl
before or since.

Sure in the hands of irresponsible owners such a breed can be highly
dangerous as far as I could tell they're nearly invulnerable to pain and injury.

One time my landlord who was terrified of the dog slammed
the door of his Ford F-150 on Spanky's snout as he attempted to climb in
to go for a ride.

Jim felt so bad about it he called the dog over and petted him for
the first time ever and he was over his fear of that animal
in that moment.

I had one neighbor that would take the dog for a ride in his car just
because Spanky loved it so much.

Not so much a watch dog as I often said he'd be the easiest dog in the
world to steal, just open a car door and in he'd hop.

Boy do I ever miss the guy.

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RICHARD WEBB wrote to ROGER NELSON <=-

Hi Roger,

On Fri 2038-Apr-02 19:52, Roger Nelson (1:3828/7) wrote to Richard
Webb:

Got an interesting little note from our veterinarian
yesterday admonishing us to switch from the heart guard
we've been using to a new product, which supposedly does
flea control, supplanting the Front line for that purpose.
ONly trouble is, for those of us who are rural, or semi
rural is that it doesn't do tick control.
<snip>
HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

Not me and we have three different veterinary doctors from three
different hospitals taking care of our dogs at one time or another.

<hmmmm> INteresting, to say the least. I"m going to ask
some more pointed questions when I show up over there MOnday to get her drugs for this mont, i.e. heart guard and
frontline.

FWIW, I found the first dose of Frontline administered on the back of the head and neck area lasted the claimed month however from the second dose forward Spanky easily had no flea problems for two months after that second and subsequent
doses.

Nice as the dog invariably slept in bed with me.

Damn I miss that incredibly well mannered Pit Bull!


Not so much the one that attacked him one day and loosing Spanky
from that 90 LB Amstaff Pit lost me the use of my left hand for 6
months.

Skinhead owner goes a long way toward explaining that animals behavior.

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HI Wayne,

On Sat 2038-Apr-03 09:00, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

Not me and we have three different veterinary doctors from three
different hospitals taking care of our dogs at one time or another.

<hmmmm> INteresting, to say the least. I"m going to ask
some more pointed questions when I show up over there MOnday to get her drugs for this mont, i.e. heart guard and
frontline.

FWIW, I found the first dose of Frontline administered on the back
of the head and neck area lasted the claimed month however from the
second dose forward Spanky easily had no flea problems for two
months after that second and subsequent
doses.

I've found this to be true with the frontline as well. She
sleeps with us too, so it's important to keep her free of
such critters.


<snip>

Not so much the one that attacked him one day and loosing Spanky
from that 90 LB Amstaff Pit lost me the use of my left hand for 6
months.

I've never had to deal with that with SChotze, thankfully.
There's one pit/rottie cross around here that comes around
whenever she's in heat. WE're trying to get her to do the
mommy thing once, then we'll have her fixed. I"m not
worried about good akc registerd rottie pups going to people who will mistreat or mishandle them, because any that I
don't find good homes for can go to pilot guide dogs in
their puppy program.

Skinhead owner goes a long way toward explaining that animals
behavior.

YEp, our first ROtt, Roxy which we adopted off the streets
of NEw oRleans belonged to a crack dealer, she saw him
gunned down. Crack dealer's cousin who fought pit bulls
took her in, but she wouldn't fight, so he turned her out on the street. I"ve told the story in this echo before though, it's a long sad tale.
WE gave her the best years of her life, and even with the
heartworm she lived to a ripe old age before hte strokes
robbed her of enjoyable and useful life.

Regards,
Richard
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RICHARD WEBB wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

HI Wayne,

On Sat 2038-Apr-03 09:00, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

Not me and we have three different veterinary doctors from three
different hospitals taking care of our dogs at one time or another.

<hmmmm> INteresting, to say the least. I"m going to ask
some more pointed questions when I show up over there MOnday to get her drugs for this mont, i.e. heart guard and
frontline.

FWIW, I found the first dose of Frontline administered on the back
of the head and neck area lasted the claimed month however from the
second dose forward Spanky easily had no flea problems for two
months after that second and subsequent
doses.

I've found this to be true with the frontline as well. She
sleeps with us too, so it's important to keep her free of
such critters.

<snip>

Not so much the one that attacked him one day and loosing Spanky
from that 90 LB Amstaff Pit lost me the use of my left hand for 6
months.

I've never had to deal with that with SChotze, thankfully.
There's one pit/rottie cross around here that comes around
whenever she's in heat. WE're trying to get her to do the
mommy thing once, then we'll have her fixed. I"m not
worried about good akc registerd rottie pups going to people who will mistreat or mishandle them, because any that I
don't find good homes for can go to pilot guide dogs in
their puppy program.

Skinhead owner goes a long way toward explaining that animals
behavior.

YEp, our first ROtt, Roxy which we adopted off the streets
of NEw oRleans belonged to a crack dealer, she saw him
gunned down. Crack dealer's cousin who fought pit bulls
took her in, but she wouldn't fight, so he turned her out on the
street. I"ve told the story in this echo before though, it's a long
sad tale. WE gave her the best years of her life, and even with the heartworm she lived to a ripe old age before hte strokes
robbed her of enjoyable and useful life.

Well I fibbed just a little on the Pit Bull I owned.
He actually growled twice in his life.

Once at the woman who struck her kid
and me when I FIRST went to give him a bath.


Bared his teeth and snarled the former owner being a Marine MP
and my girlfriend training him to be a guard dog.

Knowing he was afraid of heights I snatched him up and dumped him in the tub for a bath.
Snarled at me and bared his teeth.

I tossed a cup of could clear water in his face.

He snarled again and bared his teeth.

Then we had a staring match that must have lasted two to two and a half minutes.

I thought my eyeballs were going to shatter from dryness due to not blinking.

The Pit Bull blinked FIRST and looked away, finally and from that point forward he would
never act unless I gave him instruction nor growl and bare teeth
to anyone but the child abuser.

Kinda a dramatic deal with a dog that could rip your face off 18 inches from your face but after that I was alpha male and pack leaded and why he looked to me
to free him from that monster Amstaff Pit.


Oh yeah, BTW, I too am rather fond of Rotties.
Generally rather sweet tempered and rather intelligent.


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HI Wayne,

On Sat 2038-Apr-03 14:37, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

Skinhead owner goes a long way toward explaining that animals
behavior.

YEp, our first ROtt, Roxy which we adopted off the streets
of NEw oRleans belonged to a crack dealer, she saw him
gunned down. Crack dealer's cousin who fought pit bulls
took her in, but she wouldn't fight, so he turned her out on the
street. I"ve told the story in this echo before though, it's a long
sad tale. WE gave her the best years of her life, and even with the heartworm she lived to a ripe old age before hte strokes
robbed her of enjoyable and useful life.

Well I fibbed just a little on the Pit Bull I owned.
He actually growled twice in his life.

Once at the woman who struck her kid
and me when I FIRST went to give him a bath.

YEp, you've got to be assertive, Caesar's "calm assertive."
IT actually works.

Roxy, as I said was adopted off the street. Being a blind
man there was one thing we had to get straight right away
since we lived inner city. That was that any time I
demanded when I noted she'd picked something up off the
street I be permitted to inspect what she had. IF it was
safe, it would be returned to her. IF not ...

This was especially important as I was a townhouse dweller,
no real yard to take her into for relief, so walks were the
order of the day, either to vacant lots or other places,
with the fanny pack with the baggies, etc.

So a couple weeks into this she was doing alright with the
"let daddy see it" which means open mouth and drop whatever
she had into my hand. She'd figured out what blindness
meant, that if she picked it up on the street and held it
quietly I"d never know she had it. Then when we got home
she could go stash it near her food bowl, retrieve it when I was upstairs in my
office. But, the didn't think about my
lady being home.

SHe picked up something on her nightly before bedtime walk
on this evening, and held it quietly. When we got home my
lady says "she's got something in her mouth." I went to
make her let me see it, as usual, but she decided she was
going to assert herself. I reached for it, she bit down on
my fingers, and I proceeded to thump on that dog for awhile
with hands and feet, spraying blood from my hand all over
the place in the process. She was cowering in the corner
finally, lady was grabbing me to pull me back and see my
hand. After that dog never argued when I did the "let me
see it" thing.

Schotze otoh has been with me since she was first weaned, as we bought her from
a breeder in MInnesota. SHe's never
disputed my status as alpha in this pack. Every once in
awhile she tries to assert herself as alpha female over my
lady, since Kathy is wheelchair bound often, and not real
strong nor agile. HOwever, Kathy doesn't back down, and she knows that if she challenges Kathy at all I'll be on her
like white on rice. There are the usual "this is my spot in the bed mommy, I"m
alpha female" every night, but she moves
when Kathy grabs the choke chain and gives it a gentle tug.

Schotze's main problem right now is not enough exercise, and that's a tough one
for us. I"m hoping to find a used
treadmill so that I can help her alleviate some of that.
WHen I"m not totally worn out at the end of a day we'll go
for a late night ramble once in awhile, but not often
enough, and that's one resolution that with warmer weather
coming I"m trying to do better at this year.

Kinda a dramatic deal with a dog that could rip your face off 18
inches from your face but after that I was alpha male and pack
leaded and why he looked to me
to free him from that monster Amstaff Pit.

YEp, know the feeling. Schotze could take a person out
quite easily, but when it comes to this pack she knows with
no doubt that the old blind man is alpha male. SHe has her
little games she tries to play every once in awhile, but
when push comes to shove and I cut it off she knows that
it's not to be pushed further.

Oh yeah, BTW, I too am rather fond of Rotties.
Generally rather sweet tempered and rather intelligent.

YOu bet. When Kathy was very sick a couple of years ago she had a bit of a problem with wet clothing, but she'd be too
weak to get up often. When she'd need to be changed to dry
clothing and dry bedding Schotze would be lying in there on
the bed with her. Schotze would come into my office and bug me until I went back to check on Kathy and found her
situation.

Rotties are also the only dogs I know that pur when they're
petted like a cat. MIne does for sure.



Regards,
Richard
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