Replying to a message of Richard Webb to all:

tHey say in this little note: "We have had an unacceptable
number of dogs test positive for heartworm that have been on
pone of the preventatives listed ... "

One has to wonder how they define 'unacceptable.' When I lived in Plattsmouth, the local vet had a map of the city posted on the waiting room wall - with push
pins
stuck in it to indicate the locations of heartworm infected dogs. There were a
bunch
of such pins - including one at my house as one of my dogs contracted heartworm
and
it cost me right about $500 to get him cured.

OF course heart guard is listed.

When querying our vet's office about this yesterday, we were
told the following:

IF we were to switch to this new formulation we could remain
on our monthly regimen. HOwever, we'd still need to treat
with the frontline for tick control.

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

The only thing I hear from my vets is a reminder when shots are due.

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HI Bob,

On Sat 2038-Apr-03 05:51, Bob Ackley (1:300/3) wrote to Richard Webb:

One has to wonder how they define 'unacceptable.' When I lived in Plattsmouth, the local vet had a map of the city posted on the
waiting room wall - with push pins
stuck in it to indicate the locations of heartworm infected dogs.
There were a bunch
of such pins - including one at my house as one of my dogs
contracted heartworm and
it cost me right about $500 to get him cured.

Would have tried with Roxy, she had the heartworm before we
got her, as she wasn't getting preventative all those years. YOu wouldn't think
now that MR. crack dealer could invest a
bit of his gains in heartworm preventative for his bluff now would ya? We talked to the vet after we relocated here
about what could be done, but the estimate was closer to $3k than $500. WE decided to let her enjoy her remaining days,
however many that would be.

OF course heart guard is listed.

When querying our vet's office about this yesterday, we were
told the following:

IF we were to switch to this new formulation we could remain
on our monthly regimen. HOwever, we'd still need to treat
with the frontline for tick control.

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

The only thing I hear from my vets is a reminder when shots are due.

Yep, I think somebody listened to the great sales pitch in
the sky and decided to pass it along to all their customers. gOt to go there next week and get such stuff anyway, I"ll
corner somebody and ask for straight answers, including what study, where it might be found online, etc.


Regards,
Richard
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On Sat Dec-25-2010 21:49, Carol Shenkenberger (1:275/100) wrote to Fred Burgess:

Now for your preventive that you use for heartworm/flea sounds like it
would work wonders for my beasties ... the beagle is allergic to just
about everything I give her (it seems that way), and frontline,

Look again, Classic symptoms of food allergy. Wheat, corn, or soy likely. Shift food to remove them (all if posible but if not,
start with wheat removal).

To that I would like to add that all of the dogs I owned did not digest corn.


Regards,

Roger
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Replying to a message of Fred Burgess to Bob Ackley:

On Oct 08, 2010 05:29pm, FRED BURGESS wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

On Aug 24, 2010 06:11am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

Replying to a message of Richard Webb to all:

DRug companies are finding that with *all* heartworm
preventatives there seems to be a 2-4% failure rate. drug
companies are paying to treat dogs who contract heartworm
while on their preventative anyway, but this is with *all*
preventatives, this two to four percent failure rate.

I was told by somebody else, and started using when my heart guard
ran out a product acquired from the local farm store. Can't think
of the name off top of my head Bob A. but will get it if
interested. DOc told me only disadvantage of using this stuff is
that if my Schotzi contracts heartworm the drug company won't back
me on it.

Several years ago I was paying for Iverheart tablets but the things
are just too expensive if one has several dogs. I explained that
to my vet (who has since retired for medical reasons) and he made
up a solution of preventive for me, I squirt 1/2 cc of the stuff
into each dog's mouth once a month. The bottle lasts about two
years (with 10-12 dogs) and costs about $65.

So I don't have to lay out $120/month for Frontline or about the
same amount for heartworm preventive - and the dogs don't have
fleas, ticks or heartworm.

I do have to find a cure for ear mites, though.

A little ointment may help there. Not sure, as my dogs haven't had mites since I got them (whew!)

Now for your preventive that you use for heartworm/flea sounds like
it would work wonders for my beasties ... the beagle is allergic to
just about everything I give her (it seems that way), and frontline, Advantic, Hartz, etc all make her break out.

Frontline and Iverhart make my wallet break out; note that I've been unemployed
for
25 months now and am on a fixed income. Was talking with the vet a
while back and he said Frontline is up to about $15/dose. I have twelve dogs, that's $180 ... a month, which is $30 more than I'm spending on dog food, plus another
$120/month for Iverhart (were I using it). I prefer a teaspoon of vinegar per quart of
water in the dogs' drinking water. Been using vinegar now for about five years
and no
fleas or ticks, and I live on a rural acreage. Note that it works for cats, too.

As I said above, for heartworm the vet makes me up a clear solution that I squirt 1/2 cc
of into each dog's mouth with a syringe once a month. He charges me $65 for the bottle.

Insofar as the rashes and scratching are concerned, talk to your vet and see if
something
like Benadryl (or generic equivalent) will work for it - more importantly, not hurt the dog.

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On Sat Jan-01-2011 14:59, Fred Burgess (1:226/0) wrote to Roger Nelson:

They will smell the vinegar, but still drink it. (-:

HEH! I can smell the vinegar :) Then again, I use Cider (apple)
for myself to help the metabolism ... works for me.

BUT, can you smell one part vinegar in 500 parts water?


Regards,

Roger
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following up a message from Richard Webb to all:

I'm sure many of you remember this little note i posted last April. I wrote:

Got an interesting little note from our veterinarian
yesterday admonishing us to switch from the heart guard
we've been using to a new product, which supposedly does
flea control, supplanting the Front line for that purpose.
ONly trouble is, for those of us who are rural, or semi
rural is that it doesn't do tick control.

They say in this little note: "We have had an unacceptable
number of dogs test positive for heartworm that have been on pone of
the preventatives listed ... "

OF course heart guard is listed.

<snip>
AS you know that's induced me to shift veterinarians when
they tried blowing smoke up my tailpipe on this when I asked for hard numbers and where we might look at the study. SO,
we've done the vinegar water, and bought a supply of
preventative while we debated what to do.

AS you all know, Schotzi injured herself SAturday night, and mommy's baby needed to see the doctor today for that reason.

ADvantages; NEw vet is on the town's square, about a mile
up the road. sHe and I can walk there, if she's able to
walk, which is coming back again. Lower rates too, small
storefront vet practice.

SO I tell this guy I've two good references on him, one a
local Brittany spaniel breeder and boarding kennel owner,
the other an associate from cert classes and emergency
preparedness work. THen I tell him that I liked her last
docs, and she liked them, but they tried to bs me on the
preventative thing.

THen I explain that I'm a northern country boy. NOrthern
country boys aren't like southern country boys. Southern
country boys'll put a pinch between cheek and gum and chew
the fat with ya all day, after all the weather's warm and
you'll get around to it. NOrthern country boys want the
straight dope NOW because daylight and warm weather are both in short supply and time's wasting so let's get a move on here.
SO what he tells me is the straight dope is this:

DRug companies are finding that with *all* heartworm
preventatives there seems to be a 2-4% failure rate. drug
companies are paying to treat dogs who contract heartworm
while on their preventative anyway, but this is with *all*
preventatives, this two to four percent failure rate.

I was told by somebody else, and started using when my heart guard ran out a product acquired from the local farm store.
Can't think of the name off top of my head Bob A. but will
get it if interested.
DOc told me only disadvantage of using this stuff is that if my Schotzi contracts heartworm the drug company won't back
me on it.

MEanwhile we've got another intestinal worm, treating with a kill 'em drug now,
a syringe given by mouth daily. ONe of
the heartworm preventatives he recommends kills it too.
HE advises no way to kill this intestinal parasite, native
to my environment. HE says I'd have to dig up over a foot
of topsoil in my yard to remove it.
<not happening>.

HIs advice, should I stay on the generic livestock heartwomr preventative is that I come in and get the deworming dosage
every 3-4 months.
IN short, that's what I learned in school today <grin>.

Also for those interested, generic livestock heartworm
preventative is an injectable, so if you're uncomfortable
giving your dog a shot it isn't for you.


Regards,
Richard
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On Sat Dec-25-2010 21:49, Carol Shenkenberger (1:275/100) wrote to Fred Burgess:

Now for your preventive that you use for heartworm/flea sounds like it
would work wonders for my beasties ... the beagle is allergic to just
about everything I give her (it seems that way), and frontline,

Look again, Classic symptoms of food allergy. Wheat, corn, or soy likely. Shift food to remove them (all if posible but if not,
start with wheat removal).

To that I would like to add that all of the dogs I owned did not digest corn

(Corn).

From what little I can tell from mty own experiences, corn tends (if a
problem with a dog) to result more in diharreha (sp?) but less evident in ear or skin issues. Wheat seems to be the more common culprit there.

I'm not even faintly suggesting all dogs have food allergies but the ones listed are very very classic for a wheat allergy. Both of my beagles happen
by chance to have issues with grains (not totally sure which, we just swapped all foods to grain free including treats and it's cleared up).

It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4 weeks to see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not that good).
xxcarol
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On Jan 02, 2011 09:50am, ROGER NELSON wrote to FRED BURGESS:

On Sat Jan-01-2011 14:59, Fred Burgess (1:226/0) wrote to Roger Nelson:

They will smell the vinegar, but still drink it. (-:

HEH! I can smell the vinegar :) Then again, I use Cider (apple)
for myself to help the metabolism ... works for me.

BUT, can you smell one part vinegar in 500 parts water?

Believe it or not, yes I can. I think I might have done a little more than 1 part :\ closer to 2 parts

Fred

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Replying to a message of Richard Webb to all:

DRug companies are finding that with *all* heartworm
preventatives there seems to be a 2-4% failure rate. drug
companies are paying to treat dogs who contract heartworm
while on their preventative anyway, but this is with *all*
preventatives, this two to four percent failure rate.

I was told by somebody else, and started using when my heart guard ran
out a product acquired from the local farm store. Can't think of the
name off top of my head Bob A. but will get it if interested. DOc
told me only disadvantage of using this stuff is that if my Schotzi contracts heartworm the drug company won't back me on it.

Several years ago I was paying for Iverheart tablets but the things are just too
expensive if one has several dogs. I explained that to my vet (who has since retired for medical reasons) and he made up a solution of preventive for me,
I squirt 1/2 cc of the stuff into each dog's mouth once a month. The bottle lasts about two years (with 10-12 dogs) and costs about $65.

So I don't have to lay out $120/month for Frontline or about the same amount for heartworm preventive - and the dogs don't have fleas, ticks or heartworm.

I do have to find a cure for ear mites, though.

--- FleetStreet 1.19+
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(Corn).

From what little I can tell from mty own experiences, corn tends (if a problem with a dog) to result more in diharreha (sp?) but less evident in ear or skin issues. Wheat seems to be the more common culprit there.

My German shepherd never digested corn, so when I noticed that, I stopped giving it to her. It was part of some table scraps I would mix in with her dog
food. Since she's gone, I'm now in charge of a female Dachshund/Chihuahua mix, a mini-Doberman and a Yorkshire terrier, who is one pain in the neck! I never heard a dog cry before we got the Yorkie.

I'm not even faintly suggesting all dogs have food allergies but the
ones listed are very very classic for a wheat allergy. Both of my
beagles happen by chance to have issues with grains (not totally sure which, we just swapped all foods to grain free including treats
and it's cleared up).

I currently give our three dogs a slice of bread as a treat from time to time. I break it up into small pieces and used to hand feed them until the mini Doberman's razor sharp teeth accidentally got too much of my right index finger. Now I throw the pieces of bread to them. No allergic reaction yet.

It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4 weeks to see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not
that good).
xxcarol

The three dogs here seem to prefer Ol' Roy complete nutrition than all others. They average in age from 3-6 years old.


Regards,

Roger

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I currently give our three dogs a slice of bread as a treat from time to tim I break it up into small pieces and used to hand feed them until the mini Doberman's razor sharp teeth accidentally got too much of my right index finger. Now I throw the pieces of bread to them. No allergic reaction yet.

It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4 weeks to see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not
that good).
xxcarol

The three dogs here seem to prefer Ol' Roy complete nutrition than all other They average in age from 3-6 years old.

Your dogs are probably normal. Most do not have an issue with wheator corn
or soy. The reaction however is not like a human who 'suddenly breaks out in hives and can't breathe' for dogs.

I can also toss a bit of bread to mine. 2-3 days later (maybe sooner) I'm watchng itchy skin, toe knawing and ear infections.
xxcarol
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HEH! I can smell the vinegar :) Then again, I use Cider (apple) FB>FB>> for myself to help the metabolism ... works for me.

BUT, can you smell one part vinegar in 500 parts water?

Believe it or not, yes I can. I think I might have done a little more
than 1 part :\ closer to 2 parts

But you've already got the odor of vinegar in your nostrils creating the mixture.


Regards,

Roger

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On Jan 04, 2011 06:44pm, ROGER NELSON wrote to FRED BURGESS:

HEH! I can smell the vinegar :) Then again, I use Cider (apple) FB>>FB>> for myself to help the metabolism ... works for me.

BUT, can you smell one part vinegar in 500 parts water?

Believe it or not, yes I can. I think I might have done a little more FB>> than 1 part :\ closer to 2 parts

But you've already got the odor of vinegar in your nostrils creating the mixture.

Heh, true that, but a few days later I can still smell it, and this time I didn't put in that much. I could still smell it from the dish .. mayhap I'm just thinking I'm smelling it?

Fred

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HI Bob,

On Tue 2038-Aug-24 06:11, Bob Ackley (1:300/3) wrote to Richard Webb:

I was told by somebody else, and started using when my heart guard ran
out a product acquired from the local farm store. Can't think of the
name off top of my head Bob A. but will get it if interested. DOc
told me only disadvantage of using this stuff is that if my Schotzi contracts heartworm the drug company won't back me on it.

Several years ago I was paying for Iverheart tablets but the things
are just too expensive if one has several dogs. I explained that to
my vet (who has since retired for medical reasons) and he made up a solution of preventive for me, I squirt 1/2 cc of the stuff into
each dog's mouth once a month. The bottle lasts about two years
(with 10-12 dogs) and costs about $65.

So I don't have to lay out $120/month for Frontline or about the
same amount for heartworm preventive - and the dogs don't have
fleas, ticks or heartworm.

YEp, we use your vinegar regimen for the fleas, and this
stuff is for livestock, mainly swine which also are subject
to hw I'm told. Vet says it's as effective as other
products, about 1/2 cc per month, injected. As vet noted
though, company won't back it if dog gets hw.

I do have to find a cure for ear mites, though.

WE're lucky, don't have those.

Regards,
Richard
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On Dec 26, 2010 07:03am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to FRED BURGESS:

Replying to a message of Fred Burgess to Bob Ackley:

On Oct 08, 2010 05:29pm, FRED BURGESS wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

On Aug 24, 2010 06:11am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

Replying to a message of Richard Webb to all:

DRug companies are finding that with *all* heartworm

Several years ago I was paying for Iverheart tablets but the things
are just too expensive if one has several dogs. I explained that
to my vet (who has since retired for medical reasons) and he made
up a solution of preventive for me, I squirt 1/2 cc of the stuff
into each dog's mouth once a month. The bottle lasts about two
years (with 10-12 dogs) and costs about $65.

So I don't have to lay out $120/month for Frontline or about the
same amount for heartworm preventive - and the dogs don't have
fleas, ticks or heartworm.

I do have to find a cure for ear mites, though.

A little ointment may help there. Not sure, as my dogs haven't had
mites since I got them (whew!)

Now for your preventive that you use for heartworm/flea sounds like
it would work wonders for my beasties ... the beagle is allergic to
just about everything I give her (it seems that way), and frontline,
Advantic, Hartz, etc all make her break out.

Frontline and Iverhart make my wallet break out; note that I've been unemployed for
25 months now and am on a fixed income. Was talking with the vet a
while back and he said Frontline is up to about $15/dose. I have
twelve dogs, that's $180 ... a month, which is $30 more than I'm
spending on dog food, plus another
$120/month for Iverhart (were I using it). I prefer a teaspoon of
vinegar per quart of
water in the dogs' drinking water. Been using vinegar now for about
five years and no
fleas or ticks, and I live on a rural acreage. Note that it works for cats, too.

As I said above, for heartworm the vet makes me up a clear solution
that I squirt 1/2 cc
of into each dog's mouth with a syringe once a month. He charges me
$65 for the bottle.

Insofar as the rashes and scratching are concerned, talk to your vet
and see if something
like Benadryl (or generic equivalent) will work for it - more
importantly, not hurt the dog.

I have tried Benadryl (and generics) and it has not help :( ... vet said
unless they do a very expensive allergy test he can't be sure.

I like the vinegar plan, are you using white or apple vinegar? I have both so I could use either? They might like the flavor of the apple better :)

Thanks

Fred

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On Dec 27, 2010 08:29pm, CAROL SHENKENBERGER wrote to ROGER NELSON:

On Sat Dec-25-2010 21:49, Carol Shenkenberger (1:275/100) wrote to Fred
Burgess:

Now for your preventive that you use for heartworm/flea sounds like

it

would work wonders for my beasties ... the beagle is allergic to just
about everything I give her (it seems that way), and frontline,

Look again, Classic symptoms of food allergy. Wheat, corn, or soy
likely. Shift food to remove them (all if posible but if not,
start with wheat removal).

To that I would like to add that all of the dogs I owned did not digest
corn

(Corn).

From what little I can tell from mty own experiences, corn tends (if a problem with a dog) to result more in diharreha (sp?) but less evident
in ear or skin issues. Wheat seems to be the more common culprit there.

I'm not even faintly suggesting all dogs have food allergies but the
ones listed are very very classic for a wheat allergy. Both of my
beagles happen by chance to have issues with grains (not totally sure which, we just swapped all foods to grain free including treats and
it's cleared up).

It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4 weeks
to see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not that good). xxcarol

Harmless is good, expensive is bad, considering I have 4 dogs and only the beagle seems to be have any problems. When I got her, I was told she was allergic to the pine bedding that they had her in. Well, the only pine I have near me is in the front yard and 80 feet away from her (neighbor's tree). At the time she was 8 wks old she had a pine allergy, they were feeding her IAMS, when I got her home, I switched to Purina puppy and the allergies went away. Now all four get Pedigree and in just the last year she started to scratch
more (she is 4 yrs old now), so I don't know what is up with her. I really think she is doing it for attention.

Just like my Border mix female, she does stuff she knows that will get her in trouble (like pooping on my bed) if she feels she is being ignored.

Fred

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On Dec 28, 2010 09:17am, ROGER NELSON wrote to CAROL SHENKENBERGER:

(Corn).

From what little I can tell from mty own experiences, corn tends (if a CS>> problem with a dog) to result more in diharreha (sp?) but less evident CS>> in
ear or skin issues. Wheat seems to be the more common culprit there.

My German shepherd never digested corn, so when I noticed that, I
stopped giving it to her. It was part of some table scraps I would mix
in with her dog food. Since she's gone, I'm now in charge of a female Dachshund/Chihuahua mix, a mini-Doberman and a Yorkshire terrier, who
is one pain in the neck! I never heard a dog cry before we got the Yorkie.

You want to hear a dog cry? Listen to both my beagle and the male border mix.
All the time. My sister comes over and that's ALL the beagle does, it's like she is tell her how mean I am too her, that is misses her sissy (my sister), and that I won't spend 24/7 rubbing her belly (guess that would be considered mean?)

Fuddy (border mix) comes up to me and just starts whining if he thinks I'm going someplace and that I'm not going to take him. He feels he has to go
with me everywhere I go. As a pup, he wanted nothing to do with me, now he under my feet consistently, stopping right in front of me, I've actually tripped over him and dropped a 40lb bag of dog food on his foot because of
this ... ARGH!!!

I'm not even faintly suggesting all dogs have food allergies but the
ones listed are very very classic for a wheat allergy. Both of my
beagles happen by chance to have issues with grains (not totally sure
which, we just swapped all foods to grain free including treats
and it's cleared up).

I currently give our three dogs a slice of bread as a treat from time
to time. I break it up into small pieces and used to hand feed them
until the mini Doberman's razor sharp teeth accidentally got too much
of my right index finger. Now I throw the pieces of bread to them. No allergic reaction yet.

It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4 weeks to CS>> see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not
that good).
xxcarol

The three dogs here seem to prefer Ol' Roy complete nutrition than all others. They average in age from 3-6 years old.

I was given some (about 2lbs) of Dad's and they seem to like it, it looks like the Pedigree I've been feeding them for 4 yrs now. I did notice that my Boxer/Lab mix would have seizures when we gave her a certain type treat, so that stopped for all four of them, she has had only one since then (2 yrs ago last treat), and had one this past summer shortly after having some pizza
crust my sister and I were giving them. So I assumed it was the yeast in it, so no more pizza for them, and she hasn't had any since (that I have seen).

OMG! The first time she had one in front of me I FREAKED out. I didn't know what was happening. I called my sister and she came over (after it was over
[2 hrs later]), but all I could do was hold on to my girl and pet her telling her how good she is and that I loved her. It lasted what seemed to be hours but really only 3-5 minutes. They still freak me out, but not like the first one.

Fred

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I currently give our three dogs a slice of bread as a treat from time

to tim

I break it up into small pieces and used to hand feed them until the

mini

Doberman's razor sharp teeth accidentally got too much of my right

index

finger. Now I throw the pieces of bread to them. No allergic reaction

yet.

It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4

weeks to

see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not
that good).
xxcarol

The three dogs here seem to prefer Ol' Roy complete nutrition than all

other

They average in age from 3-6 years old.

Your dogs are probably normal. Most do not have an issue with wheator
corn
or soy. The reaction however is not like a human who 'suddenly breaks
out in
hives and can't breathe' for dogs.

My dogs normal? (-: Two of them are the sweetest dogs I've had the pleasure of taking care of, while the Yorkie is a pain in the rear.

I didn't know hives did that to you. A few years ago I had a battle with poison ivy and in the early part of last year I had a case of shingles. I discovered later on that shingles is a chicken pox virus that stays dormant in the system until the host passes the age of 50. I had chicken pox when I was eight years old.

I can also toss a bit of bread to mine. 2-3 days later (maybe sooner) I'm watchng itchy skin, toe knawing and ear infections.
xxcarol

Never observed that here. Any particular brand name bread you are using?


Regards,

Roger

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Replying to a message of Fred Burgess to Bob Ackley:

On Oct 08, 2010 05:29pm, FRED BURGESS wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

On Aug 24, 2010 06:11am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

$120/month for Iverhart (were I using it). I prefer a teaspoon of
vinegar per quart of
water in the dogs' drinking water. Been using vinegar now for about five years and no
fleas or ticks, and I live on a rural acreage. Note that it works for cats, too.

That doesn't work here in the deep south, Bob, and when I asked my vet about it, she told me she never heard of it. The only conclusions I can draw from this is that what works for you doesn't work for me because of our living areas
and down here whatever fleas are in the yard where the dogs are, are killed off
by the freezing temperatures we have been experiencing. The Capstar tablets I give them will kill whatever fleas are on their bodies for up to 48 hours and the tablets are inexpensive and begin working inside of 30 minutes.


Regards,

Roger

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HI Roger,

On Wed 2038-Dec-29 07:15, Roger Nelson (1:3828/7) wrote to Bob Ackley:

That doesn't work here in the deep south, Bob, and when I asked my
vet about it, she told me she never heard of it. The only
conclusions I can draw from this is that what works for you doesn't
work for me because of our living areas and down here whatever fleas
are in the yard where the dogs are, are killed off by the freezing temperatures we have been experiencing. The Capstar tablets I give
them will kill whatever fleas are on their bodies for up to 48 hours
and the tablets are inexpensive and begin working inside of 30
minutes.

INteresting!!! THe vinegar thing seems to work here in
Tennessee. But then, my vet in NEw ORleans told me a lot of things that work up north don't work down there, because
temps are often warm enough year round that fleas, tics and
other creatures are able to continuously reproduce and
mutate.
HEre in Tn. we still get some good freezes over the winter.


Regards,
Richard
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Replying to a message of Fred Burgess to Bob Ackley:

I like the vinegar plan, are you using white or apple vinegar? I have both so I could use either? They might like the flavor of the apple better :)

I don't think it makes any difference, I use white vinegar, $2.19/gallon and that lasts nearly two months (for twelve dogs). My original source for it was Jerry Baker's pamphlet 'Vinegar Secrets.' I use a slightly stronger solution, 2
tablespoons per gallon (1.67 teaspoons/quart) rather than the original 1 teaspoon
per quart.

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On Dec 29, 2010 07:15am, ROGER NELSON wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

Replying to a message of Fred Burgess to Bob Ackley:

On Oct 08, 2010 05:29pm, FRED BURGESS wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

On Aug 24, 2010 06:11am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

$120/month for Iverhart (were I using it). I prefer a teaspoon of
vinegar per quart of
water in the dogs' drinking water. Been using vinegar now for about
five
years and no
fleas or ticks, and I live on a rural acreage. Note that it works for BA>> cats, too.

That doesn't work here in the deep south, Bob, and when I asked my vet about it, she told me she never heard of it. The only conclusions I
can draw from this is that what works for you doesn't work for me
because of our living areas and down here whatever fleas are in the
yard where the dogs are, are killed off by the freezing temperatures we have been experiencing. The Capstar tablets I give them will kill whatever fleas are on their bodies for up to 48 hours and the tablets
are inexpensive and begin working inside of 30 minutes.

$50 is inexpensive? That's what it cost me for a pack of 6 tablets and that didn't help with the fleas on my dogs. I think it actually made the beagle start to scratch and chew her hind end more. Here in Columbus we had a very bad flea problem all summer. At least now with the cold weather it's died
down some now. Now to finish cleaning out the house and doing a smoker for
the ones left in the house.

Fred

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On Tue Jan-04-2011 21:17, Fred Burgess (1:226/0) wrote to Roger Nelson:

But you've already got the odor of vinegar in your nostrils creating the mixture.

Heh, true that, but a few days later I can still smell it, and this
time I didn't put in that much. I could still smell it from the
dish .. mayhap I'm just thinking I'm smelling it?

Your brain is probably telling your nose it's there and not vice versa.


Regards,

Roger
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It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4 weeks to see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not that good). xxcarol

Harmless is good, expensive is bad, considering I have 4 dogs and only the beagle seems to be have any problems. When I got her, I was told she was

If you can feed her separate, it won't be much to trial it on her if you
think it will help.

Now all four get Pedigree and in just the last year she started to scratch more (she is 4 yrs old now), so I don't know what is up with her. I really think she is doing it for attention.

Just like my Border mix female, she does stuff she knows that will get her i trouble (like pooping on my bed) if she feels she is being ignored.

Never underestimate the trouble a doggie can get into if feeling ignored!
xxcarol
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Hello all!


Got an interesting little note from our veterinarian
yesterday admonishing us to switch from the heart guard
we've been using to a new product, which supposedly does
flea control, supplanting the Front line for that purpose.
ONly trouble is, for those of us who are rural, or semi
rural is that it doesn't do tick control.

tHey say in this little note: "We have had an unacceptable
number of dogs test positive for heartworm that have been on pone of the preventatives listed ... "

OF course heart guard is listed.

When querying our vet's office about this yesterday, we were told the following:

IF we were to switch to this new formulation we could remain on our monthly regimen. HOwever, we'd still need to treat
with the frontline for tick control.

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?



Regards,
Richard
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[...]

Got an interesting little note from our veterinarian
yesterday admonishing us to switch from the heart guard
we've been using to a new product, which supposedly does
flea control, supplanting the Front line for that purpose.
ONly trouble is, for those of us who are rural, or semi
rural is that it doesn't do tick control.

tHey say in this little note: "We have had an unacceptable
number of dogs test positive for heartworm that have been on pone of the preventatives listed ... "

OF course heart guard is listed.

When querying our vet's office about this yesterday, we were told the following:

IF we were to switch to this new formulation we could remain on our
monthly regimen. HOwever, we'd still need to treat
with the frontline for tick control.

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

Not me and we have three different veterinary doctors from three different hospitals taking care of our dogs at one time or another.


Regards,

Roger

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Hi Roger,

On Fri 2038-Apr-02 19:52, Roger Nelson (1:3828/7) wrote to Richard Webb:

Got an interesting little note from our veterinarian
yesterday admonishing us to switch from the heart guard
we've been using to a new product, which supposedly does
flea control, supplanting the Front line for that purpose.
ONly trouble is, for those of us who are rural, or semi
rural is that it doesn't do tick control.

<snip>

HOwever, if we don't switch then we should go to an every
twenty days cycle for the heart guard.

Anybody else hearing this?

Not me and we have three different veterinary doctors from three
different hospitals taking care of our dogs at one time or another.

<hmmmm> INteresting, to say the least. I"m going to ask
some more pointed questions when I show up over there MOnday to get her drugs for this mont, i.e. heart guard and
frontline.

Regards,
Richard
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[...]

I use a slightly stronger solution, 2 tablespoons per gallon (1.67 FB>BA> teaspoons/quart) rather than the original 1 teaspoon per quart.

Ok, thanks, I'll give it a try ... Anything to help them be more comfortable.

They will smell the vinegar, but still drink it. (-:


Regards,

Roger

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[...]

INteresting!!! THe vinegar thing seems to work here in Tennessee.

You answered my problem below.

But then, my vet in NEw ORleans told me a lot of things that work up
north don't work down there, because temps are often warm enough year
round that fleas, tics and other creatures are able to continuously reproduce and mutate.

That's exactly right. I paid an exterminator to come out here and spray the entire yard and inside the house. They forgot to tell me that this was only a temporary solution and I'd have to get them back many more times. For what they charged me, that wasn't going to happen, so I took matters into my own hands.

HEre in Tn. we still get some good freezes over the winter.

Had a few of them here as well, with temps dropping into the Twenties. It is warming up a bit now. It never fails to amaze me that locals down here gripe about the weather this time of year when they know that we are going to have three days of cold and three days of pleasant weather this time of year.


Regards,

Roger

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[...]

All of my dogs are over 35lbs, with the largest being 75 now ... wow!
she was just a small thing when I got her :)

Large breeds seem to spring up overnight.

What are you using to spray the kennels with? Way back when I was a wee lad, Hartz worked wonders, but not anymore. I have tried Zodiac, BioSpot and Sargent. Nothing seems to work for me. Unless I am way off base and doing something really wrong.

You aren't off base. I tried using the same stuff you use until I remembered something I read in a story earlier this year about some guys who made a bomb using a can of RAID, a shotgun shell, a rat trap, super glue, a length of 3/4" PVC pipe and a nail. I use RAID (wear goggles and a surgical mask) insect killer on the kennels, but I strongly advise you and all other living things staying out of the house for at least an hour OR you could do that after dragging the kennels outside. Mine are relatively small because of the breed of dogs here, so I can do it either way. You won't need anything but the can of Raid, goggles and mask. The kennels are inside here because we bring the dogs in at night. During inclement weather, they have a dry doghouse to stay in large enough for the three of them and it is waterproof.


Regards,

Roger

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Replying to a message of Fred Burgess to Roger Nelson:

All of my dogs are over 35lbs, with the largest being 75 now ... wow!
she was just a small thing when I got her :)

My smallest dogs are about 35 lbs. Buddy, Sam and Brownie - the three biggest -
are all over 100 lbs. Most of the others are 50-60 lbs.

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On Oct 08, 2010 05:29pm, FRED BURGESS wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

On Aug 24, 2010 06:11am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

Replying to a message of Richard Webb to all:

DRug companies are finding that with *all* heartworm
preventatives there seems to be a 2-4% failure rate. drug
companies are paying to treat dogs who contract heartworm
while on their preventative anyway, but this is with *all*
preventatives, this two to four percent failure rate.

I was told by somebody else, and started using when my heart guard ran
out a product acquired from the local farm store. Can't think of the
name off top of my head Bob A. but will get it if interested. DOc
told me only disadvantage of using this stuff is that if my Schotzi
contracts heartworm the drug company won't back me on it.

Several years ago I was paying for Iverheart tablets but the things are
just too
expensive if one has several dogs. I explained that to my vet (who has
since retired for medical reasons) and he made up a solution of
preventive for me, I squirt 1/2 cc of the stuff into each dog's mouth
once a month. The bottle lasts about two years (with 10-12 dogs) and
costs about $65.

So I don't have to lay out $120/month for Frontline or about the same
amount for heartworm preventive - and the dogs don't have fleas, ticks
or heartworm.

I do have to find a cure for ear mites, though.

A little ointment may help there. Not sure, as my dogs haven't had
mites since I got them (whew!)

Now for your preventive that you use for heartworm/flea sounds like it
would work wonders for my beasties ... the beagle is allergic to just
about everything I give her (it seems that way), and frontline,
Advantic, Hartz, etc all make her break out. She has to wear her party
hat on a daily basis now because she chews herself raw. If I leave her
outside for too long she finds something and scratches herself to where
she's bleeding, doesn't seem to mind that she's bleeding, just stands
there smiling like she did something good. I don't know what to do
with her. Allergy drugs don't seem to help her (benadryl, what I was
told to use) seems to make it worse for her. Help?!

Fred

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Now for your preventive that you use for heartworm/flea sounds like it
would work wonders for my beasties ... the beagle is allergic to just
about everything I give her (it seems that way), and frontline,

Look again, Classic symptoms of food allergy. Wheat, corn, or soy likely. Shift food to remove them (all if posible but if not, start with wheat removal).
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On Dec 30, 2010 09:51pm, CAROL SHENKENBERGER wrote to FRED BURGESS:

It's harmless and not that expensiv to try a grain free for 3-4

weeks

to see (costs less than the vet allergy tests which are often not

that

good). xxcarol

Harmless is good, expensive is bad, considering I have 4 dogs and only
the
beagle seems to be have any problems. When I got her, I was told she was

If you can feed her separate, it won't be much to trial it on her if you think it will help.

I have to get food tonight for this coming week, so I'll pick up some for her.
The only problem is that I have an auto-feeder and they eat a couple bites
and walk away when they get done. I'll have to figure a way for her not to
get into the feeder ...

Now all four get Pedigree and in just the last year she started to
scratch
more (she is 4 yrs old now), so I don't know what is up with her. I
really
think she is doing it for attention.

Just like my Border mix female, she does stuff she knows that will get
her i
trouble (like pooping on my bed) if she feels she is being ignored.

Never underestimate the trouble a doggie can get into if feeling
ignored! xxcarol

No doubt! She is sweet as can be if she feels loved, but ignore her for 2 seconds and she's into everything.

Fred

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On Dec 31, 2010 06:32am, ROGER NELSON wrote to FRED BURGESS:

[...]

I use a slightly stronger solution, 2 tablespoons per gallon (1.67 FB>>BA> teaspoons/quart) rather than the original 1 teaspoon per quart.

Ok, thanks, I'll give it a try ... Anything to help them be more
comfortable.

They will smell the vinegar, but still drink it. (-:

HEH! I can smell the vinegar :) Then again, I use Cider (apple) for myself
to help the metabolism ... works for me.

Fred

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On Dec 31, 2010 07:13am, BOB ACKLEY wrote to FRED BURGESS:

Replying to a message of Fred Burgess to Roger Nelson:

All of my dogs are over 35lbs, with the largest being 75 now ... wow!
she was just a small thing when I got her :)

My smallest dogs are about 35 lbs. Buddy, Sam and Brownie - the three biggest -
are all over 100 lbs. Most of the others are 50-60 lbs.

Bet the larger ones think they are lap dogs :) Mollie (75lb) thinks she can still fit in my lap. Maybe if I were 7' tall ;)

Fred

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