Mike Roberts wrote to mark lewis <=-

if it affects our dogs, then it also affects us humans, doesn't it?

No Mark.. The Dogs do not have an enzyme to break it down properly.

we've never had any problems with our dogs and onions... it is one of the flavor "spices" that we add to their foods specifically to deter them from eating raw meats and similar... onions, garlic, peppers (spicy and sweet), etc... all of our dogs have lived to very ripe old ages...

Not going to tell You what to do, but I would stop that. I have been
told, LikeChocolate, Never feed it to a dog. Chocolates' effects may go away and is worseon susceptible dogs. But the Vet told me that Onions
have a cumulative affectand affect the Blood cells, You may not notice
a problem after immediatelyfeeding them onions. But they are very toxic and over a period of time, Shesaid it will give the dog an incurable
blood disease. The damage usuallyhappens slowly over a period of time.
But it is SERIOUS Damage. Those arebasicially the terms as she put it
to me. Chocolate, Green Grapes and Broccoliare generally all no no's.
But Onions, though the damage is not seen right awayis up near the top
of a list of things not to feed them.

Totally agree with you Mike.... the "foods" you mentioned will have adverse effects on canines. I'm rather surprised Mark is worried about "raw" foods being that many find it's the prefered diet. I show dogs and diet is a main concern. Even if you feed kibble, grains are taboo in a diet. I personally use two different kibbles, one from a small but reputable company in Florida and Acana Pacifica out of Canada. I suppliment with products from Nature's Farmacy which includes a tri-C vitamin, pro-biotics, a bone and joint additive along with a complete vitamin regime. Then come raw bones... (not the petstore kind) lol!! My dogs eat better than me... but I guess we all do that for our pups.




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Totally agree with you Mike.... the "foods" you mentioned will have adverse effects on canines. I'm rather surprised Mark is worried
about "raw" foods being that many find it's the prefered diet.

because i don't want my dogs getting a taste for my other animals and killing them... i definitely don't want them getting a taste for raw eggs, chickens, goose or duck... i won't mention rabbit and squirrel... if the dogs or the cats
do catch a rabbit or squirrel, we clean and cook it to give back to them... the
cats get huffy if we don't take their presents... i guess they like getting them back since they do eat the meat they are given... the dogs eat most anything i put down for them ;)

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Re: file this under what not
By: Bill Mcgarrity to Mike Roberts on Sat Apr 06 2013 10:57 am

Totally agree with you Mike.... the "foods" you mentioned will have adverse effects on canines. I'm rather surprised Mark is worried about "raw" foods being that many find it's the prefered diet. I show dogs and diet is a
main concern. Even if you feed kibble, grains are taboo in a diet. I

I suspect a lot of us are ignorant of what is bad for our dogs. I bought anewfie puppy, many many years ago. The breeder encouraged me quite heavily tofeed the dog a natural diet. Honestly, It was rather expensive and difficult toprepare. She did also give the option that if You did not do this, You wouldsign a paper saying You would only feed him High quality Kibble. No Gravy traintype stuff. I opted to feed him Iams Giant breed puppy food. She agreed thatwould be fine. It was not. This guy grew into a monster... Not Fat, but BIG.And he did it way too quickly. He ended up at 185 as an adult and as the vetsaid at the time, he was amazed because he was not a fat dog. At that point hewas the biggest newfoundland he had seen at his practice. However, he may nothave been fat, but he grew so fast, his joints and his body in general couldnot keep up with such rapid growth. I would never ever feed a dog that extraprotein, large breed or not. At the time the breeder thought that was great ifI was not going to feed him natural, she had the eggs, and oatmeal and groundbeef etc all cooked over the stove in a big pot. But it proved to not be thecase. He lived a long life, for a newfie, but he was sore in his later years,He made it to 9. Back then expectancy norm was about 5 or 6. I never new any ofthese foods that are commonly listed today. In fact I had another newf, whowhen a puppy was fussy and would not eat his food. I mean I had seen him go 3days without eating his dry food. I then tried some other things in his food.He loved Broccoli. I would regularly give him Broccoli, I had no idea. Nothingcame of it that I know of, but I did not know and many a day he did not eatunless broccoli was in his food. Same with a common food on the no no list isgreen grapes, I did not know that. My pugs love green grapes! No that I know,they don't get them anymore. But for some reason, animals, under nocircumstances, I was told by several vets, should get Onions or Avacados. MyParrot eats all table scraps. The vet said, feed him anything, He is going tooutlive You anyway, feed him regular food and he'll live even longer, but donot give him onions or avacados, so it must be something that could affectanimals across the board. I am just glad I was told and have seen the list manytimes now, on the net and other animal lovers etc.

On the same subject and what You said, I have heard vet programs on sirius andsome vets say if You want to do Your dog a favor and can afford it. Feed Yourdogs a straight meat diet. Nothing but meat. suggesting if one believes inevolution, that that is what their ancestors ate and what we should be feedingthem now. But many cannot afford it. But optimally they claimed it is whatwould be best for dogs. Most people in the business try to sell dog food thatappeals to the owners, not necessarily what the dog needs. These commercialswith kibble with Vegetables, they claim is utter nonsense and is just appealingto the owners.. 8(
Have a good One!
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Re: file this under what not
By: mark lewis to Bill Mcgarrity on Sat Apr 06 2013 04:12 pm

i guess they like getting them back since they do eat the meat they are given... the dogs eat most anything i put down for them ;)

I had a lab Mark, who I swear would eat anything, and I never did it, but If Iwere to put down a 40# bag of food, I would bet she would eat it until she orthe bag gave out. That girl just loved to eat, but I did find out later it wascuz she had diabetes so she was never satisfied. The signals were not tellingher she was not hungry even though she ate her meal.

Dogs do tend to eat everything. My parents had a dog many years ago who was noton a natural diet, but my mother would put the dogs favorites in the foodsometimes. She thought she was doing him good to put apples veggies etc. Butone thing she put in that he hated was carrots. That dog would wolf down thatbowl of food and without missing a beat, actually spit the pieces of carrotright out on the floor next to his dish. Little pile of carrots to clean upright next to the dish. It was not long before he did not get carrots anymore;-)

You remind me too, when You talk about wild animals, I can always tell and itkind of grosses me out. Usually in the early evening when the boys go out. If Igo out, I will see one of them looking funny. You can tell, something is off.They have that innocent look on their face, and still look like the cat that atthe canary. Then it hits me, I check his mouth and the dog will spit out thisbig old toad or frog, and it hops away unharmed. 8) But it grosses me out thatthey were running around with a toad in their mouth, like they are saving itfor later as a snack or a toy.
Have a good One!
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mark lewis wrote to Bill Mcgarrity <=-

Totally agree with you Mike.... the "foods" you mentioned will have adverse effects on canines. I'm rather surprised Mark is worried
about "raw" foods being that many find it's the prefered diet.

because i don't want my dogs getting a taste for my other animals and killing them... i definitely don't want them getting a taste for raw
eggs, chickens, goose or duck... i won't mention rabbit and squirrel...
if the dogs or the cats do catch a rabbit or squirrel, we clean and
cook it to give back to them... the cats get huffy if we don't take
their presents... i guess they like getting them back since they do eat the meat they are given... the dogs eat most anything i put down for
them ;)

Well, I can see why you'd be concerned being the area you're in due to an overkill issue but in actuality, all the foods you mentioned above are excellent for pet health. To each their own.... :)


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Mike Roberts wrote to Bill Mcgarrity <=-

@TZ: 412c

I suspect a lot of us are ignorant of what is bad for our dogs. I
bought anewfie puppy, many many years ago. The breeder encouraged me
quite heavily tofeed the dog a natural diet. Honestly, It was rather expensive and difficult toprepare. She did also give the option that if You did not do this, You wouldsign a paper saying You would only feed
him High quality Kibble. No Gravy traintype stuff. I opted to feed him Iams Giant breed puppy food. She agreed thatwould be fine. It was not. This guy grew into a monster... Not Fat, but BIG.And he did it way too quickly. He ended up at 185 as an adult and as the vetsaid at the time,
he was amazed because he was not a fat dog. At that point hewas the biggest newfoundland he had seen at his practice. However, he may
nothave been fat, but he grew so fast, his joints and his body in
general couldnot keep up with such rapid growth. I would never ever
feed a dog that extraprotein, large breed or not. At the time the
breeder thought that was great ifI was not going to feed him natural,
she had the eggs, and oatmeal and groundbeef etc all cooked over the
stove in a big pot. But it proved to not be thecase. He lived a long
life, for a newfie, but he was sore in his later years,He made it to 9. Back then expectancy norm was about 5 or 6. I never new any ofthese
foods that are commonly listed today. In fact I had another newf,
whowhen a puppy was fussy and would not eat his food. I mean I had seen him go 3days without eating his dry food. I then tried some other
things in his food.He loved Broccoli. I would regularly give him
Broccoli, I had no idea. Nothingcame of it that I know of, but I did
not know and many a day he did not eatunless broccoli was in his food. Same with a common food on the no no list isgreen grapes, I did not
know that. My pugs love green grapes! No that I know,they don't get
them anymore. But for some reason, animals, under nocircumstances, I
was told by several vets, should get Onions or Avacados. MyParrot eats
all table scraps. The vet said, feed him anything, He is going
tooutlive You anyway, feed him regular food and he'll live even longer, but donot give him onions or avacados, so it must be something that
could affectanimals across the board. I am just glad I was told and
have seen the list manytimes now, on the net and other animal lovers
etc.

There are many lists that specify those foods that are a no-no when it comes to canines. Usually everything on the list dogs will go nuts over. Just goes to prove canines, like humans, will always love the things that will kill them when it comes to food. I call it the "McDonald's Effect"... lol!!

Protien is important when puppies are growing and should be somewhere in the vicinity of 26-28% level whereas as an adult, it's 18-20%. Activity and if a bitch is lactating will require more as expected. Speaking of veggies, my boy gets two cups of green beans every night as a filler. It's very little calories and helps as a digestive agent although with all the other supplements I give both of them, they really never have an issue with being "irregular".

On the same subject and what You said, I have heard vet programs on
sirius andsome vets say if You want to do Your dog a favor and can
afford it. Feed Yourdogs a straight meat diet. Nothing but meat. suggesting if one believes inevolution, that that is what their
ancestors ate and what we should be feedingthem now. But many cannot afford it. But optimally they claimed it is whatwould be best for dogs. Most people in the business try to sell dog food thatappeals to the owners, not necessarily what the dog needs. These commercialswith
kibble with Vegetables, they claim is utter nonsense and is just appealingto the owners.. 8( Have a good One!

Here is a list I normally will follow when it comes to meat...

Chicken - whole or any parts! (backs, necks, wings, etc.)
Turkey - whole or any parts (wings, necks, etc.)
Cornish game hens (whole)
Beef (any cuts)
Oxtail
Pork (necks, ribs, any cuts)
Rabbit
Fish (canned sardines in WATER, not oil, or Jack mackerel)
Quail
Buffalo, kangaroo- almost anything you can think of!

As I said, I feed high quality kibble without any "meal". I use two suppliers only due to my research in their processing. I swear by them. :)

Enjoy your day!!!


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