• Nazi's and stuff

    From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 17 08:19:24 2022
    What monument has been taken down?

    For the last 8 years there have been demolished hundreds of monuments to
    Red Army soldiers who saved the world from German Nazi.

    I'm sure you are aware I am sure that there were many allied countries fighting the nazi's.

    Everyday many monuments are vandalized,

    What monuments? Give me an idea so I can look it up and see what you are talking about.

    the veteran Hitlerite collaborators are now proudly march along the streets in Ukraine and Baltic states. The current authority of this states discriminates everything connected with Russian people.

    There are no Hitlerite collaborators in any of the sates you mention. Why do you feel such a victim?

    The closest thing to a nazi today in the Russian Federtion and it's invasion of Ukraine, although it's different.

    I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv
    recently that was something about the friendship between Russia and
    Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the Russian
    invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship between
    Russia and Ukraine.

    You think too good about them,

    Why should I think bad of them?

    and it is not your guilt that you know nothing about the war with Red Army WW2 monuments.

    I know that Russia suffered much loss in WW2 at the hands of the nazi's. Ukraine was part of Russia at the time and they also fought the nazi's and suffered much loss.

    That is Russian proaganda that your state run TV portrays. It is
    untrue. Ukraine, Poland and the baltic state are not neo-nazi.

    Every of these states has a policy when a particular nation
    discriminates other nations.

    You have a rather severe victim malady. Russia is not such a victim.

    Once when you declare your country is for one "correct" nation only you are
    a Nazi. Every nation should have equal rights in every country of the world.

    Ukraine and the other states you mention have no policy "against" Russia and they are not nazi states. They are against Russia's current war. That does not make them nazi's.

    The most indicative is the fact that they have not been so anxious for
    the last 8 years of the Donbass siege. The coup in Kiev in 2014 was
    directed against Russia and it was an indulgence to whatever neo-Nazi
    did in Donbass.

    There was no coup. There was a popular uprising when Yanukovych went against the will of the people.

    PS: Are you an Ukrainian?

    No. I come from European stock, but not Ukrainian as far as I know.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 19 11:12:13 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 17.05.2022 18:19

    AI>>> What monument has been taken down?
    ak>> For the last 8 years there have been demolished hundreds of
    ak>> monuments to Red Army soldiers who saved the world from German
    ak>> Nazi.

    AI> I'm sure you are aware I am sure that there were many allied
    AI> countries fighting the nazi's.

    ak>> Everyday many monuments are vandalized,

    AI> What monuments? Give me an idea so I can look it up and see what
    AI> you are talking about.

    If you think that Russians like to collect such videos you are mistaken.
    Just believe me that they extremely hate exactly the fallen Red Army
    soldiers and glorify national Nazi collaborators. The current situation
    with Ukraine is just a pretext, and the situation was the same before
    the Ukrainian events.

    ak>> the veteran Hitlerite collaborators are now proudly march along
    ak>> the streets in Ukraine and Baltic states. The current authority of
    ak>> this states discriminates everything connected with Russian
    ak>> people.

    AI> There are no Hitlerite collaborators in any of the sates you
    AI> mention. Why do you feel such a victim?

    Every year you can see the marches of those old guys, whereas the
    monuments to Red Army soldiers are removed shamelessly. For every symbol
    of the USSR victory you will be fined.

    AI> The closest thing to a nazi today in the Russian Federtion and it's
    AI> invasion of Ukraine, although it's different.

    Don't mix the notions. A Nazi doctrine is always based on the supremacy
    of a particular nation in a particular country. Like "Ukraine is for a Ukrainian nation". Fascism is a totalitarian style of power -- it can be
    in any country. Besides, fascism is also exists in Ukraine now -- all
    the opposition was accused in connections with Russia and banned.

    AI>>> I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv
    AI>>> recently that was something about the friendship between Russia
    AI>>> and Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the
    AI>>> Russian invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship
    AI>>> between Russia and Ukraine.

    ak>> You think too good about them,
    AI> Why should I think bad of them?

    They burned people alive during WW2, they did it in 2014, they have been shelling Donbass for 8 years. They want to treat Russians in Ukraine as
    a conquered nation.

    ak>>> and it is not your guilt that you know nothing about the war with
    ak>>> Red Army WW2 monuments.

    AI> I know that Russia suffered much loss in WW2 at the hands of the
    AI> nazi's. Ukraine was part of Russia at the time and they also fought
    AI> the nazi's and suffered much loss.

    The modern Ukraine heroes fought on Hitler side, it is not a secret.

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    ak>> The most indicative is the fact that they have not been so anxious
    ak>> for the last 8 years of the Donbass siege. The coup in Kiev in
    ak>> 2014 was directed against Russia and it was an indulgence to
    ak>> whatever neo-Nazi did in Donbass.

    AI> There was no coup. There was a popular uprising when Yanukovych
    AI> went against the will of the people.

    Yanukovich had tens of millions supporters and he was removed exactly by
    a coup. Now these people are intimidated and they are afraid to tell
    anything against the current Ukraine regime. Soon we see the real state
    of things -- whom those people will blame for distraction of their land
    -- fucking unwanted defenders from the nationalistic battalions or the liberators from the defenders. It probably will be fun.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 19 05:23:32 2022
    What monuments? Give me an idea so I can look it up and see what
    you are talking about.

    If you think that Russians like to collect such videos you are mistaken.

    I am not asking you to collect videos. I am asking you what monuments are you talking about. You don't seem to have an answer.

    Just believe me that they extremely hate exactly the fallen Red Army
    soldiers and glorify national Nazi collaborators.

    I can't "just believe". You are not believable. Give me a real life example.

    The current situation with Ukraine is just a pretext, and the situation was the same before the Ukrainian events.

    I know you want nazis, but you don't have any.

    There are no Hitlerite collaborators in any of the sates you
    mention. Why do you feel such a victim?

    Every year you can see the marches of those old guys, whereas the
    monuments to Red Army soldiers are removed shamelessly. For every symbol
    of the USSR victory you will be fined.

    You will be fined? Can you give me a real life example of this. It seems made up to fit your narrative.

    The closest thing to a nazi today in the Russian Federtion and it's
    invasion of Ukraine, although it's different.

    Don't mix the notions. A Nazi doctrine is always based on the supremacy
    of a particular nation in a particular country.

    I am not mixing anything. Today Russia looks like a nazi state because of their invasion and attrocities commited.

    Like "Ukraine is for a Ukrainian nation".

    What are you trying to say? Do you find it hard to believe that Ukrainians live in Ukraine?

    Fascism is a totalitarian style of power -- it can be in any country.

    Indeed. Russia is not the only totalitarian state today.

    Besides, fascism is also exists in Ukraine now -- all the opposition was accused in connections with Russia and banned.

    There are fascists and nazis in every country, including Russia. Let's hope that they don't increase in numbers.

    Why should I think bad of them?

    They burned people alive during WW2, they did it in 2014, they have been shelling Donbass for 8 years. They want to treat Russians in Ukraine as
    a conquered nation.

    Many people in Ukraine have Russian heritage and language but they are in Ukraine and they are Ukrainian (those that were born there). Russian are not a conquered nation in Ukraine. Russia came to Ukraine to conquer Ukraine.

    I know that Russia suffered much loss in WW2 at the hands of the
    nazi's. Ukraine was part of Russia at the time and they also fought
    the nazi's and suffered much loss.

    The modern Ukraine heroes fought on Hitler side, it is not a secret.

    That is a lie. Ukraine is not a nazi state and never fought on Hitlers side, Ukrainians are not nazis. That is russian propaganda.

    There was no coup. There was a popular uprising when Yanukovych
    went against the will of the people.

    Yanukovich had tens of millions supporters and he was removed exactly by
    a coup.

    It was a popular uprising. The people didn't want him as their leader so they ousted him. The people of Ukrain don't want Russia or Putin either as we can see clearly today.

    Now these people are intimidated and they are afraid to tell
    anything against the current Ukraine regime.

    Ukrainians are not intimidated and can speak their mind as we saw in 2014.

    Don't confuse Russians (who are afraid to speak their minds or the truth) with Ukrainians.

    Soon we see the real state of things -- whom those people will blame for distraction of their land -- fucking unwanted defenders from the nationalistic battalions or the liberators from the defenders. It probably will be fun.

    We can already see the real state of things. It's very clear what the Ukrainians want, and what they don't want.

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to All on Wed Oct 15 10:34:10 2025
    So, this came up in my Facebook feed today.

    "A woman allegedly gave her ex-lover a cooler that held the deceased remains of her miscarried fetus, saying, "here's your kid."".

    I am not sure what I find scarier..

    That she was only charged with harrasment (I would think this might be crossing the line into stalking. Though since the child aborted naturaly I guess there was no implied threat.

    or

    That the majority of the comments actually side with her, mostly because he did not believe she was pregnant.

    However, with her obvious tenuous hold on mental health, I don't think I would believe her on face value either.

    What do you think? Do you think the charges should have been more severe?

    Do you think she lost the plot?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RUG RAT on Thu Oct 16 09:05:54 2025
    What do you think? Do you think the charges should have been more severe?

    Not necessarily, but...

    Do you think she lost the plot?

    ... her mental health should probably be evaluated. I would also wonder
    what the relationship was like, i.e. maybe he was mentally abusive, but her reaction is extreme.


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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Mike Powell on Thu Oct 16 12:22:19 2025
    On Thu 16-Oct-2025 9:05a, Mike Powell@1:2320/105.0 said to Rug Rat:
    What do you think? Do you think the charges should have been more
    severe?

    Not necessarily, but...

    Do you think she lost the plot?

    ... her mental health should probably be evaluated. I would also wonder what the relationship was like, i.e. maybe he was mentally abusive, but
    her
    reaction is extreme.

    I would more wonder if she abused him. I think this was akin to coming home and finding your bunny boiling on the stove. This may not have been the first time she has tried the pregnancy bit, it just so happened that this time she really wasy.

    That brings up another point. When a woman acts out towards a man, everyone immediately wonders if he abuses her. If a man did something similar (IE - delivering a cooler with a dead animal, nobody questions if he was being abused in the relationship. It is throw him in jail and round file the key.

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