• Egypt...

    From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Tue Feb 8 11:14:54 2011


    Glenn Beck is off his medication again, and is yelling about this huge

    How do you know this, Otto?

    He's a leftie. He follows the leftie method of trashing
    anyone who says things he doesn't like or agree with.

    Roy Witt asked a real hard question I'm waiting for either
    Otto or the Klahn to respond to; There have recently been
    calls for the `lynching' of Justice Clarence
    Thomas.......where is their outrage???!!!

    Already responded to. Never even heard of it before that post.

    ...

    They are strangely silent on the subject involving Justice
    Thomas. Gosh... ...it looks suspiciously like they are only
    *selectively* outraged, and only at the pillorying of
    certain people. You don't think their *outrage* is....uh
    ....false! do you?

    What an incredibly stupid thing for him to say.



    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Tue Feb 8 11:17:20 2011

    So he knew the answer to SH's question all along. This is a
    tacit admission Ross S was right.

    How do you know this, Otto?


    He's a leftie. He follows the leftie method of trashing anyone who
    says things he doesn't like or agree with.

    ...

    Here's something on that for you to chew on:


    Mr. Kristol, Stand for Truth

    Bill Kristol has opened the french doors of his ivory
    tower, stepped out and deigned to address the great
    unwashed conservative quarter. High above the people and
    reality, he admonishes those on the right for not embracing
    the catastrophic events unfolding in the Middle East.


    In his opinion piece, Stand for Freedom, he dismisses or
    summarily denies the concrete facts on the ground. Of
    course, we all want freedom. Of course, we support voices
    yearning to be free. We fought for and believed The Bush
    Doctrine, and still do. But there is far more at work here,
    as evidenced by the fierce behind-the-scenes jockeying and
    arm-twisting by the on-the-ascent Muslim Brotherhood, an
    organization created at the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

    The left wing lemmings are eating up this discourse like
    maggots on dead flesh, but that is their only joy, so let
    them have it.


    But Kristol is so wrong, inexcusably so. Glenn Beck nailed
    it. The advance of Islamic supremacism is exactly what is
    at play here. And we are right to be cautious. Nobody
    expects Mubarak to survive -- we only care about what comes
    after. There is Kristol-lite and there is reality.


    Muslim Brotherhood: Egyptians demanding restoration of
    Islamic law


    And yet William Kristol writes:


    The United States has played a role in helping those
    transitions turn out (reasonably) well. America needn't be
    passive or fretful or defensive. We can help foster one
    outcome over another. As Krauthammer puts it, "Elections
    will be held. The primary U.S. objective is to guide a
    transition period that gives secular democrats a chance."¥


    Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of
    how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign
    of health that a political and intellectual movement does
    not respond to a complicated set of developments with one
    voice.


    But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants
    about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from
    Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the
    connections between caliphate-promoters and the American
    left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and
    the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just
    as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.


    Nor is it a sign of health when other American
    conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that
    they side with the dictator against the democrats.


    Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans,
    of short- sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives,
    of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American
    conservative tradition.


    We welcome freedom. We are not siding with dictators, but
    fighting against the tyranny of Islamic totalitarianism,
    and so should you, Mr. Kristol. Shame on you.


    We are not naive. We saw these same Western liberals usher
    in the reign of the Ayatollah Khomeini and that, too,
    changed the world forever, for the worse.


    Much worse.


    It was not so long ago, after all, when conservatives
    understood that Middle Eastern dictatorships such as
    Mubarak's help spawn global terrorism. We needn't remind
    our readers that the most famous of the 9/11 hijackers,
    Mohammed Atta, was an Egyptian, as is al Qaeda's number
    two, Ayman al Zawahiri.


    Indeed. Islam produces jihad, Mr. Kristol. Islam produces
    fundamentalism. The quran commands it, demands it. Millions
    of jihadis are reading the same playbook. Blaming Mubarak
    or US policy for jihad is like blaming a woman for being
    raped (ah, if only she didn't have that vagina, all would
    be well).


    The idea that democracy produces radical Islam is false:
    Whether in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian
    territories, or Egypt, it is the dictatorships that have
    promoted and abetted Islamic radicalism. (Hamas, lest we
    forget, established its tyranny in Gaza through
    nondemocratic means.)


    Is that so? So please, Mr. islamic scholar Kristol, explain
    all of the jihadists and home grown terrorists born and
    raised in Western nations. Think, man.


    Quoting Robert Spencer, "Muslims are the first immigrant
    group that has ever come to this country with a ready-made
    model of society and government they believe to be superior
    to what we have here."


    What irks me is that Kristol is dead wrong on Beck's
    presentation. Finally, someone had the gonads to speak to
    Islamic supremacism and its global project, and Kristol has
    the gall to smack him down. How the Weekly Standard has
    failed the right! Mnay of us have been covering this for
    years, perplexed and disturbed that no one in the
    mainstream media dare touch it.


    The left always aligns itself with the totalitarian
    ideology of the day (ie Stalinism, communism, national
    socialism [nazism]), and so it is with Islamic supremacism.
    Those of us covering the anti-America, anti-war, anti
    israel movement have documented this for years. CODE PINK,
    ANSWER, Al Awda, Socialist Workers Party, International
    Solidarity Movement (ISM), CAIR, ISNA, If Americans Knew
    (IAK), Friends of Sabeel-North America (FOSNA), Muslim
    American Society (MAS), Students for Justice in Palestine
    (SJP).


    Trust me, Mr. Kristol, Beck did not "invent" that.


    There is nothing that Beck said was inaccurate. It's all
    there. You don't have to look for ghosts. There is vast
    historical, political, judicial evidence of the global
    jihad and its ties. As for the existence of the violent
    goals of the caliphate, read the quran and hadith. Or
    better yet, take a quick look at the past millennium and
    the 270 million victims of jihadi wars, land
    appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements.


    An American conservatism that looks back to 1776 cannot
    turn its back on the Egyptian people. We should wish them
    well, and we should work to help them achieve as good an
    outcome as possible.


    This prig is lecturing us on 1776? We live it. Every day. I
    have for the past nine years since 911. I strongly
    recommend Mr. Kristol step back and read Ibn Warraq, Wafa
    Sultan, Sir Martin Gilbert, Mark Durie, Jewish history, the
    Muslim Brotherhood project, the news accounts of the jihad
    in Thailand, Somalia, the Philippines, Ethiopia, China,
    Beslan, Moscow, London, Madrid, Israel, Lebanon, Sudan,
    Tunisia, Kenya ....... you get the picture.

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    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to JEFF BINKLEY on Wed Feb 9 12:30:26 2011

    ...

    Their boys in the House and Senate keep promising to make their RS>>priority getting jobs back, so what are they doing next?

    They are also getting ready to defund Obamacare, which will
    help employment.

    One of the big advantages all the other industrialized countries
    have over the US is National Health Care.

    With medical care heading for 20% of GDP, if it isn't already
    there, our economy will suffer another major blow.

    Defunding Obamacare will take the US back to a more primitive
    system. That and put millions more off insurance, and result in
    higher insurance premiums in the next few years.

    See, the current run up in insurance premiums is not due to
    Obama care, but to healthy young people dropping out of the
    insurance pool when they lose their jobs. That makes the insured
    population more older and less healthy. Under Obamacare everyone
    must have insurance, so the burden will be spread more evenly.
    The end result will be lower premiums.

    Without Obamacare that won't happen, and the premiums that
    should come down won't. End result, higher premiums.


    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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