...

Yes, it will and Judge Vinson's ruling will be upheld by at least a
5-4 majority.

I don't think it will be, IMO it's iffy. If Obama gets to
put somebody else on the SC
before it gets there it Obamacare will be declared
Constitutional. A travesty, of course, but it will happen.

When Mr Ackley realizes, if Obamacare is unconstitutional so is
Medicare, then when Medicare goes his military health care will
follow, he will change his mind.

Those who have been screaming about health insurance and
"pre-existing conditions" don't
want insurance, they want another WELFARE program. They

Yeah... all those people who favor the coverage for pre-existing
conditions and health insurance, the majority of the American
population.

have no concept of what insurance is, and aren't interested
in learning anything about it.

Insurance is a means of guaranteing health care will be
provided. All the rest of Ackley's BS about risk management is
insurance industry boiler plate intended to justify denying
coverage to people who need it.

Ackley thinks he gets to define the terms. If you disagree you
are evil.




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Those who have been screaming about health insurance and "pre-existing
conditions" don't
want insurance, they want another WELFARE program. They have no concept
of what
insurance is, and aren't interested in learning anything about it.

Exactly. This has nothing to do with improving health care
for the masses. It has everything to do with growing
government control and power.

Yes, let thousands of infants die, let tens of thousands of
children and adults die. Better to not have health care than to
have national health care.

From usccb.org, the website of the US Conference of Catholic
Bishops.

United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

3211 FOURTH STREET NE ò WASHINGTON DC 20017-1194 ò 202-541-3000

WEBSITE: WWW.USCCB.ORG/HEALTHCARE ò FAX 202-541-3339

January 26, 2010

United States House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Representative:

On behalf of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
(USCCB), we strongly urge Members of Congress to come together
and recommit themselves to enacting genuine health care reform
that will protect the life, dignity, consciences, and health of
all. The health care debate, with all its political and
ideological conflict, seems to have lost its central moral focus
and policy priority, which is to ensure that affordable,
quality, life-giving care is available to all. Now is not the
time to abandon this task, but rather to set aside partisan
divisions and special interest pressures to find ways to enact
genuine reform. Although political contexts have changed, the
moral and policy failure that leaves tens of millions of our
sisters and brothers without access to health care still
remains.

Full Letter:
www.usccb.org/healthcare/HC-Letter-to-Congress-012610.pdf


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On 2/2/2011 13:08, BOB KLAHN -> BOB ACKLEY wrote:

Ackley thinks he gets to define the terms. If you disagree you
are evil.

The exact same thing can be said of you.

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Yeah, stick with the GOP plan.

"Die quickly."

I see you subscribe to the Grayson school of
misinformation. Al Grayson lost his House seat for a reason.

The real GOP plan is Die Quietly.

The GOP plan is to make it possible to buy insurance across
state lines, making it easier for people to set up personal
medical savings accounts, tort reform to reduce frivolous
and overpriced lawsuits, and reducing government
interference with individual decisions.

All of which does zero good for the uninsured, who are
predominatly the working poor.

What good are Health Savings Accounts to those who no money to
put into it, and don't pay enough taxes to benefit from tax
credits?

You can already buy insurance across state lines. What they want
is to make the lowest state standards the national standard. For
congress to mandate all states allow insurance at the lowest
standard is a major usurpation of states rights.

Tort reform is just a way to save money for the insurance
companies. Until they will tell you how much money frivolous
lawsuits actually cost this country it's all a fraud. Their real
intention is to limit legitimate lawsuits.

Oh, and countries with national health care don't have our
malpractice problems, without tort reform. Most malpractice
suits are to cover future medical bills for the malpractice.
Since National Health care guarantees coverage, there is no such
cost burden.

The majority of Americans support national health care. Most
even support Obamacare, with limited reservations. Most just
want it tweaked, not abolished.



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Ackley thinks he gets to define the terms. If you disagree you
are evil.

The exact same thing can be said of you.

You really need to come up with some higher quality BS.



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The GOP plan is to make it possible to buy insurance across state
lines,

It has always been possible to do that - PROVIDED that (a)
the insurance product
has been approved by the states' insurance commissioner and
(b) the insurance company
is licensed to do business in the state and (c) the
agent(s) is/are licensed to sell the
product in the state.

I have been saying that for a long time. Watch EH ignore him on
that.

My former employer, Central States Life & Health Insurancer
of Omaha (which, despite it's
name, doesn't deal in life or health insurance any more;
www.cso.com) sold policies through independent agents all
over the country. Each agent was licensed to sell

As does United Health care, who used to be my insurance company
through my employer.

...

What you can't do is run across a state line, buy a policy
that's not approved in your state
written by a sompany not licensed to do business in oour
state from an agent not licensed to sell insurance in your
state, and then expect to be covvered for anything. The

True. Except maybe in the state where they are licensed.
Michigan is just a mile north of me.

...

making it easier for people to set up personal medical savings accounts,

Not THAT is a great idea.

It is very easy now to set up a personal medical savings
account. It's only useful to those who have money to put into
it, and pay enough in taxes to benefit from the tax credits.
Those people are more likely to have insurance anyway.

tort reform to reduce frivolous and overpriced lawsuits,

When the insurance companies tell us just how much frivolous
lawsuits cost I'll be interested in that. Current reports who
tort reform will save very little.

They don't even have to do that. All they need to do is
adopt the 'everyplace on the planet
except the United States' system that the loser in a civil
lawsuit pays the winnder's costs.

They tried that in Florida. The doctors wound up paying more of
the legal bills than the plaintiffs.

In the case of contingency lawsuits, the lawyer should be
on the hook for the same percentage
of those costs as s/he would have received from the spoils
had s/he won the case (and I'd
make it joint liability for all of it - if the client can't
pay anything the lawyer gets to pay it
all).

Which denies the injured access to a lawyer. Bad doctors and
dishonest insurance companies would love that.

Note that no industrialized country with national health care,
IOW all of them except the US, has the malpractice problem we
have. That is largely due to the fact that most malpractice
awards cover the cost of projected future health care. Since
that's covered by national health care, there are no such
judgements.

IOW, Obamacare is instant tort reform.

and reducing government interference with individual decisions.

Another good idea.

Irrelevant to this discussion though. And not one the right
actually believes in.



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