• Why Obama Care will survive

    From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Thu Dec 30 15:53:28 2010

    Obamacare... national health care, passed under Obama, much as
    proposed by Richard Nixon 40 years ago.

    Seven of the 24 lawsuits against the law have been dismissed.
    Most of the rest are awaiting motions or decisions on motions.
    Only two appear to have serious standing so far. Both only on
    the matter of the mandate.

    All of the lawsuits considered by most to have a real chance
    focus on the mandate.

    Actually, almost all the suits involve the mandate. One of these
    seems to be closely watched.

    Obamacare, and I believe Democrats should embrace the name, will
    surive those lawsuits. What the right misses is, those lawsuits
    will pretty much guarantee the survival of the law.

    If those lawsuits fail, and they will surely go to the supreme
    court, that's it, the law will stand. Game over.

    If one of the lawsuits prevails, and that will still go all the
    way to the supreme court, that will only eliminate the mandate.
    As much as the mandate is a critical part of the bill, it will
    survive without it.

    What the right misses about this is, the mandate is the only
    part of the bill that the public opposes. Most of the rest of
    the bill provides things the American people do support for the
    most part, or are indifferent to.

    The people support banning insurance refusal for pre-existing
    conditions.

    The people do believe children should be covered.

    The people do believe the elderly should be able to consult with
    their doctors or other health care professionals about end of
    life care.

    The public does support Hospice care.

    All this dispite the fact that the right has lied about much of
    this.

    And if it ever gets close to the bill being declared
    unconstitutional on it's basis, the American people will wake
    up to the fact that if National Health Care is unconstitutional,
    so is Medicare.

    If the republicans put this country in a position where Medicare
    is at risk of being declared unconstitutional the republicans
    will face holy hell.

    So, if the mandate stands, game over.

    If the mandate fails, Obamacare stands without it. That and the
    republicans will be faced with growing millions losing health
    care coverage, and they will have to come up with some way to
    provide it.

    Obama care will survive, and coverage will be provided to the
    entire population, either by the mandate, or some other means.

    I have always opposed the mandate, not because it's morally
    wrong, but because it's dumb. There is no way the government is
    going to come up with any standard by which they are going to
    establish a value of "affordable coverage" that actually means
    anything to a lot of people. If you fine someone for not haveing
    coverage, and that person doesn't have coverage because he's too
    poor to afford it, the fine just makes his poverty worse.

    However, some means will have to be found to provide care for
    all if this is to remain a decent country. And it will,
    eventually. How many will die before then is the question those
    opposing national health care will have to live with.



    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

    ... Don't tell me you are pro-life if you don't support health care for all. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
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