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    From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Sun Apr 17 05:34:14 2011

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    In fact, it is easier to make the historical case that the
    Bible was written by people who knew Jesus while the claim
    that the Koran was written by anyone that knew the Prophet
    Mohammad is nearly impossible to substantiate. Parts of

    The earliest known New Testament piece is a fragment written
    about 150 AD or CE whichever you prefer. That would be about 120
    years after his death, and resurection as Christians hold. It is
    certainly not original to anyone who knew Jesus, and it's
    actually impossible to know if it is a copy from someone who
    knew Jesus. This is especially true since there is no historical
    record that Jesus existed.

    In looking this up I was surprised to find that forgeries were
    already common by 160 AD/CE.

    That and all the ancient texts of that time were written in
    Greek, yet Jesus and all his apostles were Jews who spoke
    Aramaic or Hebrew, and were ruled by Rome where Latin was the
    language.

    Oh, and all the prominent early texts were found in Egypt.

    the Bible have been determined as having been written
    within the life times of people that would have known Jesus
    personally.

    The are believed to have been so, but no texts from that time
    have been authenticated.

    On the other
    hand, there is no proof that the Koran was written any time
    closer than 100 years after Mohammad's death, long after
    anyone that might have known him would have been dead.

    Again, the oldest known Christian text is dated 120 years after
    the time Jesus would have died.

    OH, and that fragment contains only a few words in the same
    order as they would be in a portion of John.

    There is no "proof" of anything before that.

    While I do not know a lot about Islamic history I have been
    Studying Christianity for a long time.

    ...

    Christian reforms have brought tolerance and peace between
    factions of Christianity as well as between Christians and

    Not in Northern Ireland all that much. Not between many fundies
    and Catholics.

    people of other beliefs while there has been no such
    tolerance infused into Islam.

    Actually, Muslims tolerate each other about as well as
    Christians tolerate each other.

    Remember, the Muslims who were massacred in those internment
    camps were massacred by Christians, not Jews or other Muslims.

    Do not make the mistake that this really isn't about
    religion, though. It most certainly is. This incident
    cannot be divorced from Islam as some sort of aberrant
    behavior. Unfortunately, it is just one small incident of
    thousands

    Since the only significant source ofanti-US terror identified as
    Islamic is actually Wahabi, that is what you have to consider.

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From Richard Webb@1:116/901 to BOB KLAHN on Mon Apr 18 12:48:42 2011
    Hello Bob,

    On Sun 2039-Apr-17 05:34, BOB KLAHN (1:123/140) wrote to ALL:

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    The earliest known New Testament piece is a fragment written about
    150 AD or CE whichever you prefer. That would be about 120 years
    after his death, and resurection as Christians hold. It is
    certainly not original to anyone who knew Jesus, and it's
    actually impossible to know if it is a copy from someone who knew
    Jesus. This is especially true since there is no historical record
    that Jesus existed.

    I cannot recall the title, but about 8 years ago I read a
    book by a rabinical scholar who learned ARamaic (the
    language spoken by JEsus et al) to be able to translate the
    dead sea scrolls.
    IN it, he states that of the four gospels JOhn's was the
    latest, as JOhn was the one farhtest removed from the life
    of JEsus of course, figures parallel to those you cited were given as well.

    In looking this up I was surprised to find that forgeries were
    already common by 160 AD/CE.

    INdeed, iirc he mentioned these as well.

    Regards,
    Richard
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