• Welfare state

    From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Sun Mar 13 04:33:54 2011



    This should make the Dems happy..... and the rest of us
    afraid...

    It should make you afraid, because it's your fault.

    Note that they conflate social welfare with welfare. They define
    social welfare as anything that isn't military.

    They also declare a conflict between increasing earned wages and
    decreasing welfare, not even coming up with the idea that the
    way to reduce welfare *IS* to increase earned wages.

    They do mention the economic problems as a contributor to the
    problem, but fail to make it clear that the recession, following
    8 years of Bush league economics, is the actual cause of the
    problem.

    We democrats want to end welfare, by having enough jobs to
    employ all who need a job. Do that and welfare becomes moot,
    except for the very few who are so severly handicapped they will
    never be able to work.

    Oh, and they strongly imply social security is welfare, and a
    major cause of the problem.

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    http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508

    Welfare State: Handouts Make Up One-Third of U.S. Wages

    Published: Tuesday, 8 Mar 2011 | 3:59 PM ET
    By: John Melloy
    Executive Producer, Fast Money

    Government payouts, including Social Security, Medicare and
    unemployment insuranceùmake up more than a third of total
    wages and salaries of the U.S. population, a record figure
    that will only increase if action isnÆt taken before the
    majority of Baby Boomers enter retirement.



    Even as the economy has recovered, social welfare benefits
    make up 35 percent of wages and salaries this year, up from
    21 percent in 2000 and 10 percent in 1960, according to
    TrimTabs Investment Research using Bureau of Economic
    Analysis data.

    ôThe U.S. economy has become alarmingly dependent on
    government stimulus,ö said Madeline Schnapp, director of
    Macroeconomic Research at TrimTabs, in a note to clients.
    ôConsumption supported by wages and salaries is a much
    stronger foundation for economic growth than consumption
    based on social welfare benefits.ö

    The economist gives the country two stark choices. In order
    to get welfare back to its pre-recession ratio of 26
    percent of pay, ôeither wages and salaries would have to
    increase $2.3 trillion, or 35 percent, to $8.8 trillion, or
    social welfare benefits would have to decline $500 billion,
    or 23 percent, to $1.7 trillion,ö she said.

    Last month, the Republican-led House of Representatives
    passed a $61 billion federal spending cut, but Senate
    Democratic leaders and the White House made it clear that
    had no chance of becoming law. Short-term resolutions
    passed have averted a government shutdown that could have
    occurred this month, as Vice President Biden leads
    negotiations with Republican leaders on some sort of
    long-term compromise.

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    ôYouÆve got to cut back government spending and the
    Republicans will run on this platform leading up to next
    yearÆs election,ö said Joe Terranova, Chief Market
    Strategist for Virtus Investment Partners and a ôFast
    Moneyö trader.



    Terranova noted some sort of opt out for social security or
    even raising the retirement age.

    But the country may not be ready for these tough choices,
    even though economists like Schnapp say something will have
    to be done to avoid a significant economic crisis.

    A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released last week
    showed that less than a quarter of Americans supported
    making cuts to Social Security or Medicare in order to
    reign in the mounting budget deficit.

    Those poll numbers may be skewed by a demographic shift the
    likes of which the nation has never seen. Only this year
    has the first round of baby boomers begun collecting
    Medicare benefitsùand here comes 78 million more.

    Social welfare benefits have increased by $514 billion over
    the last two years, according to TrimTabs figures, in part
    because of measures implemented to fight the financial
    crisis. Government spending normally takes on a larger part
    of the spending pie during economic calamities but how can
    the country change this make-up with the root of the crisis
    (housing) still on shaky ground, benchmark interest rates
    already cut to zero, and a demographic shift that calls for
    an increase in subsidies?

    At the very least, we can take solace in the fact that
    weÆre not quite at the state welfare levels of Europe. In
    the U.K., social welfare benefits make up 44 percent of
    wages and salaries, according to TrimTabsÆ Schnapp.

    ôNo matter how bad the situation is in the US, we stand far
    better on these issues (debt, demographics,
    entrepreneurship) than other countries,ö said Steve Cortes
    of Veracruz Research. ôOn a relative basis, America remains
    the world leader and, as such, will also remain the world's
    reserve currency.ö

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Sun Mar 13 04:35:04 2011
    Tuesday March 08 2011 at 17:10, you wrote to All:

    Welfare State: Handouts Make Up One-Third of U.S. Wages

    That should be no surprise. Heck, half of the South is
    probably making up that one-third figure. I know down in
    Atlanta, for a certain part of the population, life
    consists of livin' welfare check-to-welfare check and
    slingin' dope (well, smokin' it too). Up here, a lot of
    rednecks that are too lazy to look for work are sucking off
    the government teat too.

    And people wonder why the US is damn near bankrupcy.

    12 years of Reagan/Bushonomics, 8 years of Bushonomics.

    That's 20 years of Voodoo economics. That's why the US is damn
    near bankruptcy.



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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to BOB ACKLEY on Sun Mar 13 20:12:44 2011

    ...

    About a decade ago an official with the Futurist Society
    noted that in this country
    one person in three was dependent on government for their
    income. They included
    people working for the government under contract and for
    companies working on government
    projects.

    Which is about the same as he cited, but far more are working on
    govt projects and for the govt than on welfare.

    BTW, that being before the Bush meltdown. Now there are a lot
    more people in need, on the bottom with no way up.



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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to CRYSTAL WALTERS on Sun Mar 13 20:13:50 2011
    That should be no surprise. Heck, half of the South is probably making up SD>> that one-third figure. I know down in Atlanta, for a certain part of the SD>> population, life consists of livin' welfare check-to-welfare check and SD>> slingin' dope (well, smokin' it too). Up here, a lot of rednecks that are

    Well considering that us dope slingin welfare check livin
    southerners (Biloxi is as far south as you can go besides
    key west or texas and still be in the USA) seem to have our
    economy wrecked by natural disaster every few years like
    clockwork, I'd say we do pretty well for ourselves.c

    Doesn't matter. The right wingers are of the "Government should
    do nothing" school of thought.



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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Sun Mar 13 20:17:08 2011

    ...


    I was talking about the multi-generational professional
    welfare receipients that make up a majority of people in
    Atlanta.

    Don't know much about Alabama, but either that's not true, or
    it's a real indictment of the quality of life in the South.

    Even the 9th ward of New Orleans, the one they cleaned out by
    letting it drown, only had about 10% of the population living on
    welfare.

    ...

    What I'm talking about are the people who could go out and
    do something for themselves but refuse to do so because
    it's easier to just suck on the government teat...

    It's always easier when there are no jobs. When there are jobs
    the much higher quality of life pulls people right off welfare.
    Send our jobs overseas then bitch because Americans aren't
    working... damn!

    ...

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to MARK HOFMANN on Sun Mar 13 20:19:58 2011

    ...

    That should be no surprise. Heck, half of the South is probably making up
    that one-third figure. I know down in Atlanta, for a certain part of the
    population, life consists of livin' welfare check-to-welfare check and
    slingin' dope (well, smokin' it too). Up here, a lot of rednecks that are
    too lazy to look for work are sucking off the government teat too.

    And people wonder why the US is damn near bankrupcy.

    I have always said, starvation is a great motivator for
    people to get jobs. Some people just have no motivation
    unless they are backed completely into a corner. Sad, but
    true. I can't relate to that, personally.

    I can't. But then again, I've always had a job available. I had
    the good luck to get into work when jobs were plentiful. People
    who graduated from what ever level of school they finished at,
    high school or college, as of 2001 or later, have never known a
    single good economy year in this country their entire lives in
    the workforce.

    IN the late '60s and the late '90s we did, and occasionally
    inbetween times, but not since 2001.


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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to CRYSTAL WALTERS on Tue Mar 22 05:46:08 2011

    Oh, I wasn't talking about you, Crystal. :)

    Ah, that's cool, don't mind me. I teend to not pick up on
    some things like that, it's my "Ass Burgers" syndrome, LOL.
    Seriously tho.

    Do you have Asberger's syndrome?



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