• Good week

    From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Tue Mar 8 22:06:02 2011


    This same bunch of Texas republican state congresscritters will force RS>>women to get a vaginal sonogram before they can get an abortion.
    No exemptions for rape, incest or the health of the pregnant woman.
    No word on how to *PAY* for it either.

    Here's a good idea on "how to *PAY* for it":

    You want an abortion? *YOU* pay for it! Not taxpayers, not welfare....*YOU*!

    Since federal law bars the govt paying for abortions that's not
    a change.

    And put a federal, state, and local tax on abortion fees of
    over $100 each, PLUS the doctor's fees, and all abortions
    MUST be performed in an accredited hospital, with a minimum
    three-day stay under a doctor's care!

    IOW, dictate medicine for social engineering. Next you will call
    for death panels.

    There is about a $15,000 cost for an abortion right there,
    coming out of the pocket of the person's (and the father's
    if he can be identified) own pocket!

    Or the insurance carrier. Or do you want to control that private
    insurance companies also?

    BTW, I am a pro-life Catholic, just annoyed at your attempts to
    play god.

    If the girl is under 18, her parents pay the bill.

    Watch how fast girls suddenly discover all the methods of
    birth control, and how effective a birth control abstinence
    is!

    Except that abstinance only seems to fail quite regularly.

    Walker and his cronies are also saying they want to hire bounty hunters to RS>>go kidnap state senators that are still out of state, and legally can't be RS>>touched.

    The only thing wrong with whats going on now is that Walker
    hasn't gotten with the republican senators and told them to
    pass legislation, and he, Walker, sign it into law by
    Executive Order!

    Which would violate the state constitution. But you have no more
    respect for the state constitution than the federal
    constitution, do you.

    In Ohio, Kasich(sp?) is trying to destroy *ALL* public worker unions,

    inclduing the unions of the police he called "idiots" when they *GASP* RS>>wanted him to follow the same laws of the road the rest of those in Ohio RS>>do.

    Police have no business with any unions. Nor do any other
    public employees

    It's a constitutional right.

    Abortion restrictions and gay-marriages?

    See the above ideas for the abortions. As for *gay
    marraige*? I said once a long time ago here in Fido, and
    I'll say it again. It isn't about *equal rights*.....they
    (the homosexuals) already have all the rights everyone else
    have.

    Well, at least we know you are *NOT* a libertarian. The right to
    run their own lives applies here. IOW, MYOB.

    Its about money....and always has been about money. All the
    same `income' potential of a real marraige between a man
    and a woman. Its about recieving survivors benefits, etc
    etc of the same sort as a beneficiary or surviving spouse
    gets from the government.

    Now that is dumb. Homosexual couples already average higher
    income than heterosexual couples.

    And since they typically both work, and pay social security,
    they will actually lose benefits if they are married, as married
    couples, last I heard, had their social security cut if both
    collected.

    It isn't about equal rights and never has been. Its about
    adding a whole new `group' of individuals to an already
    over-strained public trough.

    Since heterosexual couples are far more likely to get public
    assistance, that's more nonsense.

    And Mike Huckabee, 2012 presidential hopeful and holier-than-thou RS>>slimeball is the Charlie Sheen of republican politics.

    Meanwhile Newt's scams continue.

    Both of those guys just piss you right off, don't they?

    Well, Newt is a criminal, and Huckabee is both stupid and venal.

    Actually, neither one would make a good president.

    True. You got one right.

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Tue Mar 8 22:09:44 2011


    Why don't you email her and ask her? Your silly idea that
    Republicans are all lock step is hilarious.

    Just those in politics. As the voting records in the US congress
    and some state governments well demonstrate.

    ...

    You want an abortion? *YOU* pay for it! Not taxpayers, not
    welfare....*YOU*!

    So why add the sonogram?

    Maybe so that the woman is fully informed about her
    decision.

    Maybe women who want to carry a baby to term should be required
    to have tests for genetic defects etc.

    ...

    Yeah, it's the teachers' fault, the banksters are all good, noble people
    with the purest of intentions. (sarcasm off)

    Uh... teachers are exempted from Walker's restrictions on
    collective bargaining. You really should educate yourself
    about your own state issues before you go off commenting on
    other states that no one in these echoes live in.

    And the Wisconsin public employee pensions are fully funded
    within 4/10ths of one percent. IOW, they are not a burden to the
    state during this recession.

    ...

    The only republican with any real chance against Obama in 2012 is Mitt
    Romney.

    You don't get to say who would do best against The One.

    Yes, he does. It's his constitutional right. Or would you repeal
    that also?

    And the "Christian" right and Tea Party hate him.

    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Yeah, he does. Romney is the originator of Romneycare which is
    close enough to be the template for Obamacare. Including the
    mandate.

    "It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with
    so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to
    distinguish between political and social opposition; who
    transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to
    his political opinions." --Thomas Jefferson

    As you do so often.



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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sun Mar 27 02:53:40 2011

    ...

    Here's a few things to add.....Klahn ought to turn
    red-face3d over this:

    ...

    Commander in chief?Consistent with his socialist,
    we-are-all-one agenda, Barack Obama used a non-unanimous
    10-vote nod from the United Nations Security Council to
    justify commencing hostilities against Libya, bypassing

    If unanimous was your requirement we would not be in Iraq now.
    Which would be a good thing, come to think of it.

    Oh, and the UN vote was not the justification, but a procedural
    point.

    Congress, the Constitution, the will of the American public
    and a couple hundred years' worth of precedents. Since none

    Bush sent them down the garbage chute in 2003. OTOH, Reagan's
    invasion of Grenada also qualifies.

    of these have mattered in the past, why should they now?

    They stopped mattering when Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq.

    ...

    recently -- UN authority supersedes U.S. constitutional
    authority and sovereignty.

    Ah, you made that one up out of the whole cloth. Bush, OTOH, did
    claim his authority of commander in chief superceded the
    constitution. By which standard Obama could claim the same
    thing.

    ...

    state-sponsored terrorism. It was Gadhafi that ordered the
    1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland,
    which killed 270, most of whom were Americans. That said, a

    That alone justifies action against Gadhafi.

    number of countervailing arguments counsel against
    intervening in Libya's civil war with this, as Deputy

    Much more conseled against invading Iraq, but that didn't stop
    Bush from doing it, or you supporting it.

    For one, it is a civil war. U.S. policy -- at least
    ostensibly -- has been to refrain from engaging in
    conflicts where U.S. vital national interests are not at
    stake.

    Those two points are not connected in any realistic way.

    And there is and was no such policy in any real world.

    Whatever interests the U.S. has in Libya, the term
    "vital" certainly does not apply.

    Lockerbie says it does.

    Second, as a sovereign nation, the U.S. neither seeks nor
    is granted authority from a supra-national organization
    such as the UN to use American instruments of national
    power, including military force.

    Doesn't change the desirability of getting international
    support.

    Such authority must vest
    from within, and in the U.S. that mechanism is the
    Constitution. While the president has both the authority
    and duty to use force in protection of the United States
    from an actual or imminent attack, that is the extent of
    his unilateral authority.

    Didn't make any difference to you when Bush invaded Iraq. Why is
    it different now?

    Congress alone has the authority to approve the use of
    military force in all other circumstances as it did in the
    wake of 9/11. In the case of both Afghanistan and Iraq,
    President George W. Bush specifically approached Congress,
    asked for and was granted a resolution authorizing the use
    of military force.

    Not for the invasion of Iraq. Bush was granted a conditional
    resolution authorizing action. Since the conditions were not
    there the invasion was not legal. Yet you didn't complain about
    that.

    His successor -- not so much.

    Just as much so. Lockerbie alone is reason enough.

    Next, we have no idea whether the regime that replaces
    Gadhafi (if that happens) will actually be a change for the
    better.

    That is true in every place in the world every single day. It
    seems the government in power in Iraq is *WORSE* for US
    interests than Saddam was.

    While the words "democracy" and "freedom" are
    bandied about indiscriminately, no one knows what Libya
    will look like post-Gadhafi.

    No one knows what America will look like post 2012.

    In fact, the rebels are
    self-described Islamic "holy warriors" who have at least
    the verbal backing of al-Qa'ida. This fact alone should
    advocate for restraint.

    Do they?

    Moreover, as America nears the tenth anniversary of 9/11,
    we should pause to reflect upon the fact that our nation
    has been at war continuously for almost a decade. Should we

    Yes, it has. And that is because the Bush Administration took us
    into war in Iraq for oil. Gen Jay Garner, the first
    administrator the administration sent to Iraq wanted to have
    elections immediately, so the administration fired him.

    As a result, the US has been in Iraq for nearly 8 years, and in
    Afghanistan for almost 10 years.

    You didn't complain when Bush kept us there.

    -- or can we even afford to -- embark on a third commitment
    of manpower and resources, much less one that is undefined
    and open-ended?

    Funny, you didn't ask if we could afford Iraq. Get our troops
    ouot of Iraq and we have the means to deal with Libya.

    Supposedly, no "boots on the ground" were to be committed,
    but as we go to press 2,200 Marines from the 26th Marine
    Expeditionary Unit are stationed just off the Libyan coast.

    There is a fleet there, isn't there? And Marines on the fleet.

    In the first few days of this conflict alone, we have
    already lost a plane and spent hundreds of Tomahawk
    missiles -- are we prepared to commit to this effort to the
    point that we're willing to sacrifice American lives as
    well?

    We lost American lives at Lockerbie.

    We lost over 4500 American lives in Iraq, with far less
    justification, and on the basis of lies from the administration.

    In 2007, both Barack Obama and his levelheaded sidekick Joe
    Biden believed that the president's authority to use
    military force is limited to repelling an imminent or
    ongoing attack on the U.S., and that Congress alone has the
    authority to authorize the use of military force in all
    other circumstances.

    He has learned, hasn't he.

    "The president does not have power under the Constitution
    to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation
    that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat
    to the nation," said Barack Obama then. Likewise, Joe Biden
    chimed in, "I made it clear to the president that if he
    takes this nation to war without congressional approval, I
    will make it my business to impeach him. That is a fact."

    For some reason you did not object when he invaded Iraq.

    These claims were made when they were "Candidate Obama" and
    "Senator Biden," respectively -- that is, before either
    decided that their heartfelt words on the campaign trail or
    a TV talk show were never meant to be applied to themselves
    at some future point.

    Didn't bother you in Iraq.

    Finally, it's worth highlighting how utterly disagreeable
    is the military operation label "Odyssey Dawn." An odyssey
    is a very long, convoluted saga -- not an event wrapped up
    in a few days, as this effort has been promoted, thus far.
    We're hoping that the Pentagon has a good sense of humor
    and irony.

    Or just bad literary judgement.

    Otherwise and unwittingly, it may have aptly coined the
    beginning of yet another endless military journey. It might
    be nice to rid the world of Moammar Gadhafi.

    Another? You admit Bush was guilty of reckless military
    judgement? Amen amen amen!

    But before we commit American lives and resources toward
    doing so, shouldn't we first pause to ask the question: At
    what cost?

    You didn't do that for Iraq.

    Quote of the Week
    "We don't know whether the current U.S. president is
    mindful of what he is uttering, or if he is unconscious and
    confused." --Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei

    He said a lot worse about Bush, but you feel that was worth
    quoting.

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Wed Apr 20 00:23:24 2011


    ...

    2. The AP is punked by a group of hoaksters whose blog
    reported that GE would repay more than $3 billion in tax
    credits (corporate welfare) they got from the Obama
    administration. Not only did GE get tax credits for moving
    jobs offshore, CEO Jeff Immelt got a seat on Obama's jobs
    advisory panel.

    Lie number 1. In the late '90s the republican congress passed a
    bill allowing corporations, including GE, to avoid taxes by
    shifting profits overseas. In 2004 the republican congress
    passed another such tax dodge.

    Obama didn't give GE those tax dodges, they were beyond his
    control.

    3. In a surprise move - out of left field, really - a
    democrat president proposes that the government raise taxes
    on the rich - rich to be defined by said governemt. Like
    the classless Clinton before him, Obama reminds us that he
    is rich.

    And Obama's plan would increase taxes on Obama. Remember, 100%
    of the post WWII increase in the debt burden, the debt as
    percent of GDP, accumulated under 3 anti-tax republican
    presidents.


    4. Seems that the most transparent presidency in history
    (that was his promise, right?) is concealing visits with
    lobbyists by meeting with them at a coffee shop across the
    street from the White House. White House visitors' logs

    Obama is going to a coffee shop across the street from the
    Whitehouse?

    ...

    5. American fighter jets are again dropping bombs on Libya
    - this after Obama told Americans that other countries
    would take over the Libya operation.

    Nato did take over. And the US is a member of NATO. The US has
    solid justification and a very good moral cause for taking down
    Kadaffi.

    6. Nancy Pelosi says, in effect, that it's too bad that we
    have elections, echoing Obama's sentiments that he wishes
    he had the powers of China's dictator. Didn't one of the
    moonbats here lose what passes for his mind when G.W. Bush
    expressed similar ideas?

    And when did she ever say that? I sure hope he has a link to it.

    Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope Hope

    OTOH, when did Obama say that?

    7. Indicating that he has heard the clarion call of the
    New Politics of Civility (Cigar Willy, co chair), Rep. Ed
    Markey says that Republicans want to destroy "the whole
    wide world," and, worse yet, that they want to destroy the
    internet.

    Speaking the truth might well be uncivil.

    8. People who attended the High Level Budget Summit at the
    Oval Office say that the one area where Obama would not
    compromise is federal funding for abortion.

    People who attended the high level budget summit and lied about
    it.

    Federal funding for elective abortion is forbidden under
    current law, and that law was not changed under Obama. Even
    National Health Care is covered by that law.

    SH> Like Cigar
    Willy before him, Obama will keep one promise - that is, he
    will continue to fund the killing of unborn babies under
    the guise of women's health - or is it women's reproductive
    freedom these days?

    Lie number 2. Or is it lie number 3?

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From WAYNE CHIRNSIDE@1:123/140 to BOB KLAHN on Wed Apr 20 08:33:00 2011
    BOB KLAHN wrote to ALL <=-


    ...

    2. The AP is punked by a group of hoaksters whose blog
    reported that GE would repay more than $3 billion in tax
    credits (corporate welfare) they got from the Obama
    administration. Not only did GE get tax credits for moving
    jobs offshore, CEO Jeff Immelt got a seat on Obama's jobs
    advisory panel.

    Lie number 1. In the late '90s the republican congress passed a
    bill allowing corporations, including GE, to avoid taxes by
    shifting profits overseas. In 2004 the republican congress
    passed another such tax dodge.

    Obama didn't give GE those tax dodges, they were beyond his
    control.

    3. In a surprise move - out of left field, really - a
    democrat president proposes that the government raise taxes
    on the rich - rich to be defined by said governemt. Like
    the classless Clinton before him, Obama reminds us that he
    is rich.

    And Obama's plan would increase taxes on Obama. Remember, 100%
    of the post WWII increase in the debt burden, the debt as
    percent of GDP, accumulated under 3 anti-tax republican
    presidents.


    4. Seems that the most transparent presidency in history
    (that was his promise, right?) is concealing visits with
    lobbyists by meeting with them at a coffee shop across the
    street from the White House. White House visitors' logs

    Obama is going to a coffee shop across the street from the
    Whitehouse?

    ...

    5. American fighter jets are again dropping bombs on Libya
    - this after Obama told Americans that other countries
    would take over the Libya operation.

    Nato did take over. And the US is a member of NATO. The US has
    solid justification and a very good moral cause for taking down
    Kadaffi.

    That's good to hear.

    I've not looked into this latest.

    Still too much sickness of the soul from the last adventure.

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Sat Apr 30 12:24:26 2011

    It's been a good week in politics:

    But not for republicans. They are turning on each other. And
    Breitbart, far right wing icon, has turned on them in spades.

    1. Two in one, as we celebrate the mainstream press losing
    what passes for its mind. Howard Fineman tells MSNBC's
    Lawrence O'Donnell that Obama's low approval ratings are
    the fault of the GOP congress.

    Since the GOP congress has even lower approval ratings...

    ABC's Cokie Roberts, a
    woman for whom I used to have great respect, says that
    conservatives want Obama to be a Muslim so they don't have
    to admit their dislike of a black man.

    It is either that or admit the republicans are so enamored of
    pure power they are willing to sink this country in their
    attempt to gain it. The right, note the differentiation between
    conservatives and right wingers, either are prejudiced against
    Muslims, against Blacks, or are just willing to exploit bigotry
    to gain power. Not a whole lot of difference there in any case.

    It takes a special
    breed of rationalization to be a liberal these days.
    Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

    Yes, liberals play too nice.

    2. Obama says that there is no silver bullet to bring the
    price of gas down and then attacks oil companies for making
    a profit. Obama must've lost the silver bullet that
    existed during GW's eight years.

    You mean the years when gas first broke $4/gal back in 2008? I
    just paid $3.99/Gal, with some stations selling for $4.09/gal,
    still less than the 2008 peak. Which, BTW, is not inflation
    adjusted.

    Guess that's when the silver bullet got melted down to make
    coins to pay for the gas?

    3. Notwhithstanding the fact that no Wisconsin recount has
    reversed an eletion in 30 years, JoAnne Kloppeburg is
    insiting on one. Wonder what this meaningless stunt will
    cost the taxpayers of Wisconsin?

    Since 10,800 republican votes were *DISCOVERED* on the computer
    of one republican stalwart, and have not been found anywhere
    else, and since those votes were just enough to kill a free
    recount, and since the democratic portion of that vote turned
    out to be exactly 3456, funny sequence there, that recount is
    hardly meaningless.

    It also turns out the same county clerk had a very similar error
    in an election in 2006.

    OTOH, since the republicans clearly stole Florida for Bush in
    2000, which was the second time they took the presidency that
    way, suspicion is clearly justified in any case.

    4. In repsonse to Obama's drone attacks in their country,
    Pakistan's political leaders will not allow NATO resupply
    convoys to cross their border. Remember when Obama was
    going to bring peace, love and brotherhood to the middle
    east?

    Since when is Pakistan in the Middle East? Iraq was Bush's mass
    murder war for oil. Afghanistan was the war that was justified.
    Pakistan was an unindicted co-conspirator with the Taliban.

    5. Google skips Easter.

    Did they?

    6. Some leftie moonbat woman paid $7,6000 to heckle Obama
    in San Francisco.

    How much is 7,6000?

    So, you are saying Obama is too much to the middle? Nice of you
    to admit it.

    7. Scripps Howard and the University of Ohio conduct a
    poll finding that more than 50 percent of registered
    democrats believe President Bush knew the 911 attacks were
    coming (this number includes Otto, by the way). Any takers
    on how many of these deluded morons scoff at the birthers?

    They only believe that because they make the mistake of
    believing GW Bush actually knew anything about what was
    happening in his administration then.

    It is established fact that the hijacking of airliners was
    warned about early on in his administration. Using airliners as
    weapons was predicted before that. Richard Clarke said they had
    warnings of an imminent attack, but he was not allowed to talk
    to Bush, or even the cabinet level officials, until just shortly
    before the attack.

    IOW, Bush didn't know, but he should have.

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Sat Apr 30 21:46:10 2011
    ...

    5. American fighter jets are again dropping bombs on Libya
    - this after Obama told Americans that other countries
    would take over the Libya operation.

    Nato did take over. And the US is a member of NATO. The US has
    solid justification and a very good moral cause for taking down
    Kadaffi.

    That's good to hear.

    I've not looked into this latest.

    Still too much sickness of the soul from the last adventure.

    Problem with giving in to sickness of the soul, you wind up
    standing by while innocents die.


    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to STAN HARDEGREE on Mon May 2 22:33:44 2011
    It's been a good week in politics:

    1. The Agence Presse France is reporting that this week's
    tornados in the South were caused not by global warming but
    by wind. Who knew??

    A tornado is wind spinning very fast. So, wind is cause by wind?
    Bit circular isn't it? (double meaning intended.)

    If he had bothered to actually read the report he would have
    learned it's a bit more complicated than that, and the experts
    are just saying they aren't certain.

    2. Donald Trump owns the President of the United States
    then takes full credit for the owning.

    Trump gets trumped, veers off onto suggesting a Magna Cum Laude
    grad of Harvard Law, wasn't good enough to get into the colleges
    he graduated from.

    OTOH, maybe that's just a reflection of SH's hidden preference
    for slavery.

    3. A North Carolina judge has ordered the release of
    ...
    that lawyers for Rielle Hunter asked the coiffed sissy boy

    Notice the inordinate fixation on his sexuality?

    some questions that were embarrassing to him and sissy
    boy's lawyers ...

    Yep, he does seem to display a fixation on male sexuality.

    4. So Robert Dinero dares to take on Donald Trump over the
    birther issue. Now, a man who wears his hair like Trump
    does probably doesn't give a tinker's damn what some actor
    - or anybody else - thinks about him. Trump responds that

    Trump certainly does care. Any publicity is good in his mind.

    when you are dealing with Dinero, thoughts of Albert
    Einstein don't come readily to mind. How'd THAT work out
    for you, Robert?

    For Donald Trump to say that about anyone just puts them on
    Trumps level.

    5. Moral pipsqeak Jimmy Carter accuses the United States
    of crimes against humanity because Obama is not sending
    food to Kim Jong Il.

    Bet you dollars to doughnuts Kim Jong II is not going hungry.

    And Jimmy Carter is much more respected than SH ever thought of
    being.

    6. After being punked by Donald Trump, our bright and

    SH has this fixation on male sexuality, doesn't he.

    Trump got trumped.

    articulate president tells reporters that there is too much
    important stuff going to to worry about "sideshows and
    carnival barkers" like Trump. On Friday, Obama dedicated
    himself to the important matter of watching an inbred royal
    get married over in England.

    Yeah, would have been so much better to watch his brother, the
    combat vet, rather than the rescue helicopter pilot.

    7. Democrats predictably call birthers racist. "No person
    except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
    States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,
    shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall
    any person be eligible to that office who shall not have
    attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen
    Years a resident within the United States." Man, that
    James Madison sure hated black people, huh?

    He sure owned enough of them. That plus advocating that, if
    emancipation did happen, those blacks he so loved should not be
    allowed to live around white people.

    OTOH, what does James Madison have to do with the fact that
    Birthers demand proof from one president they never demanded
    from any other? Where was George Romney born? Was he really a
    natural born citizen? Very few even questioned that, now did they.

    Yet when Obama released a legal Hawaiian birth certificate the
    birthers demanded more.

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to BOB KLAHN on Tue May 3 01:54:06 2011
    "BOB KLAHN -> STAN HARDEGREE" <1:123/140> wrote in news:322$CONTROVERSIAL@JamNNTPd:

    It's been a good week in politics:

    1. The Agence Presse France is reporting that this week's
    tornados in the South were caused not by global warming but
    by wind. Who knew??

    A tornado is wind spinning very fast. So, wind is cause by wind?
    Bit circular isn't it? (double meaning intended.)

    If he had bothered to actually read the report he would have
    learned it's a bit more complicated than that, and the experts
    are just saying they aren't certain.

    There is more and more evidence that global climate change is giving
    storms more energy, in the form of warmer air.

    There have been record-breaking temperatures in several states, and in
    one of them, Texas, this has led to wildfires.

    2. Donald Trump owns the President of the United States
    then takes full credit for the owning.

    Trump gets trumped, veers off onto suggesting a Magna Cum Laude
    grad of Harvard Law, wasn't good enough to get into the colleges
    he graduated from.

    Eugene Robinson, the Pulitzer-prize winning columnist has nailed it,
    Trump is pandering to racism.

    OTOH, what does James Madison have to do with the fact that
    Birthers demand proof from one president they never demanded
    from any other? Where was George Romney born? Was he really a
    natural born citizen? Very few even questioned that, now did they.

    Yet when Obama released a legal Hawaiian birth certificate the
    birthers demanded more.

    Now they are demanding his school records, even a DNA test.

    Pam Geller still thinks Malcolm X is Obama's real father.

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Sun Jul 3 18:51:40 2011
    It's been a good week in politics.

    1. So uber weirdo Olbermann can call President Bush a
    terrorist and a war criminal without penalty, but Mark
    Halperin has to go because he said Obama acted like a dick
    during a press conference? Is it any wonder that Faux
    "news" beats the hell out of MSNBC?

    And this is what SH considers significant? He doesn't mention
    why it was said, what should have happened, or anything to give
    anyone an idea what's going on.

    2. Speaking of that, CNN airs a 40-year-old statement from
    Roger Ailes that talked about the possibility of a 24-hour

    And nothing to give anyone an idea what it's all about.

    ...

    3. Cigar Willy says that he would like to have
    grandchildren but that the matter is out of his control.
    Really?

    And he considers this significant?

    4. On a more serious note, June was the deadliest month in
    a year for our men at arms. Of course, with the departure
    of President Bush, the MSM have lost interest in the body

    The MSM seems to be going to the right in trying to keep the
    troops in combat.

    ...

    5. One in four Americans don't know who we declared
    independence from in 1776. I wonder if these people also
    think that U.S. senators represent districts within states?

    After a generation of the right hacking away at American schools
    it's no wonder.

    Anyone notice, the repubican solution to the debt in Minnesota
    is to take $700 million from the schools, but not one bit of a
    tax increase on the uber-rich? Minnesota is already $1Billion
    down on school funding. Now $700M more? The republicans don't
    even blink at that.

    6. After refusing to meet with congresspeople over the
    debt, Obama calls for bipartisan action on the debt. He is
    not a serious man.

    It was the repubicans who walked out on the talks, when the
    democrats wanted to discuss the tax breaks on corporate jets.
    That is not serious. Why would Obama meet with anyone who sets
    preconditions that he gives all, and they give nothing?


    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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