• Moral requirements

    From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ALL on Wed Feb 16 14:04:02 2011


    Just a bit found online. From Oct 2001.

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    War in Afghanistan

    ...

    Although the Taliban had refused to turn Osama bin Laden over
    to the United States, it had offered 1) to negotiate, 2) to put
    him on trial in an Islamic court and 3) to turn him over to a
    third country if the United States provided evidence of his
    guilt. These offers were rejected out of hand by the Bush
    administration as nothing more than delaying tactics. Since the

    ...

    While the U.S. arguments are strong, the curt refusal to
    negotiate makes the United States look to many in the Islamic
    world like a bully; and in a war on terrorism, Muslim public
    opinion matters. And while there is no possibility of a fair
    trial in Kabul (he was a major military and financial supporter
    of the Taliban), the idea of bin Laden trying to defend himself
    before an Islamic court is very attractive. In a fair trial
    before unbiased Islamic jurists, he would face conviction for
    violating Islamic principles in attacking innocent civilians.
    Such a conviction would do more to undermine terrorism in the
    Muslim world than anything the United States could do on its
    own.

    We will never know what would have happened if the United
    States had called the Taliban's bluff and suggested some
    ...

    countries and jurists about such a scenario. Alternatively, bin
    Laden could be tried by an international criminal tribunal.

    Even if war is justly engaged in as a last resort, it must also
    be waged in a just manner. The intention should be to seek
    justice, not revenge; direct attacks on civilians must be
    avoided, and the force used must be proportionate to the ends to
    be achieved.

    ...

    this struggle primarily in military terms, but the war on
    terrorism cannot be won simply with bullets. The United States
    needs the support not only of the elites governing Muslim
    countries, but also of Muslim public opinion. That is why it was
    foolish for the administration to wait a month before accepting
    invitations to appear on Al Jazeera, an independent all-news
    satellite channel based in Qatar, which could be used to send
    our message to the Muslim world. This war will not be won in the
    mountains of Afghanistan. It will be won when Muslims are
    convinced that the United States acts justly.



    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 15:36:09 2011
    "BOB KLAHN -> ALL" <1:123/140> wrote in news:192$CONTROVERSIAL@JamNNTPd:

    Just a bit found online. From Oct 2001.

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    War in Afghanistan

    ...

    Although the Taliban had refused to turn Osama bin Laden over
    to the United States, it had offered 1) to negotiate, 2) to put
    him on trial in an Islamic court and 3) to turn him over to a
    third country if the United States provided evidence of his
    guilt. These offers were rejected out of hand by the Bush
    administration as nothing more than delaying tactics.

    And conservative republican congressman Dana Rohrabacher had this to say
    about the Taliban:

    "[Rohrabacher] says the Taliban are devout traditionalists--not terrorists
    or revolutionaries. He believes a Taliban takeover [of Afghanistan] would
    be a positive development."

    --Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November/December 1996 issue

    http://www.ocweekly.com/2002-09-12/features/rogue-statesman/

    Just the same old same old.
    "Sure he's a murderous thug, but he's *OUR* murderous thug."

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ROSS SAUER on Thu Feb 17 22:37:38 2011

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    And conservative republican congressman Dana Rohrabacher
    had this to say about the Taliban:

    "[Rohrabacher] says the Taliban are devout
    traditionalists--not terrorists or revolutionaries. He
    believes a Taliban takeover [of Afghanistan] would be a
    positive development."

    I really don't care what Dana Rohrabacher has to say.

    ...

    Just the same old same old.
    "Sure he's a murderous thug, but he's *OUR* murderous thug."

    Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?



    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

    ... Help! I can't find the ANY key
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  • From Ross Sauer@1:123/789 to BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 18 00:57:05 2011
    "BOB KLAHN -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in news:201 $CONTROVERSIAL@JamNNTPd:

    Just the same old same old.
    "Sure he's a murderous thug, but he's *OUR* murderous thug."

    Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

    Yes, it does sound silly.

    But it's been the US' foreign plicy since the end of WW2.

    Just look at the brutal dictators the US to this day supports.

    The Saudi royal family is one good example.

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to ROSS SAUER on Sat Feb 19 18:03:40 2011

    Just the same old same old.
    "Sure he's a murderous thug, but he's *OUR* murderous thug."

    Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

    Yes, it does sound silly.

    But it's been the US' foreign plicy since the end of WW2.

    No, Ross, your diversion to that is what is silly. Try to focus.

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    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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