People,

is there any ported version of Blue Wave into Linux and/or Mac?

Many thanks!

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Re: Blue Wave Linux
By: Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas to All on Sun Jul 22 2018 02:31 pm

is there any ported version of Blue Wave into Linux and/or Mac?

MultiMail is the closest you can get to the actual Blue Wave reader. The reader was never an opensource project so there is no updating it unfortunately.

MultiMail 0.51 was released in April of this year.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Re: Blue Wave Linux
By: Alan Ianson to Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas on Sun Jul 22 2018 08:31 am

MultiMail is the closest you can get to the actual Blue Wave reader. The reader was never an opensource project so there is no updating it unfortunately.

I will look into it then!..
Appreciated.

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Hello Gonzalo,

22 Jul 18 14:31 at you wrote to All:

is there any ported version of Blue Wave into Linux and/or Mac?

As Alan said, MultiMail is the only way to go for Linux these days and I'd assume Mac also.

I have successfully run Blue Wave using both DOSbox and DOSemu under Slackware 64 Linux 14.2 but most of the time it's faster to just use MultiMail since Qodem, my preferred terminal program under Linux, calls MM natively.

Later,
Sean

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On 07-23-18 08:40, Alan Ianson <=-
spoke to Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas about Blue Wave Linux <=-

Re: Blue Wave Linux
By: Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas to Sean Dennis on Mon Jul 23 2018 06:28
am

I used to be a Blue Wave user, but that long long ago as you can imagine. (Nostalgia there, yeah)

I was a Blue Wave user too many, many years ago. It still works
although the reply packets are y2k broken there are ways to fix that. You'd have to ask a BW
user how they do that today.

I have been a Blue Wave user since the mid 90's, and still use it
today.

There are two ways of fixing the Y2K problem with the QWK reader and REP packets. A link containing both methods, and a lot of other BW related
programs is: http://www.wpusa.dynip.com/files/BLUEWAVE/

My recommendation for anyone who wants to use BW is the first fix on
that page.

I don't know if BW can run under Linux, but there is an OS/2 version.
Since my current computer is a 64 bit computer, I cannot run it in
native form -- but choose to run it in a virtual window with Win XP.

I have heard good words about Multimail.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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Quoting Dale Shipp to Alan Ianson <=-

I don't know if BW can run under Linux, but there is an OS/2 version. Since my current computer is a 64 bit computer, I cannot run it in
native form -- but choose to run it in a virtual window with Win XP.

I use it in dosbox on my 64bit windows and linux computer. So that will
work as well!

Shawn

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Hello Dale,

24 Jul 18 02:02 at you wrote to Alan Ianson:

I don't know if BW can run under Linux, but there is an OS/2 version. Since my current computer is a 64 bit computer, I cannot run it in
native form -- but choose to run it in a virtual window with Win XP.

You've got to run it under DOSbox or DOSemu but it does work very nicely, much like the DOS-based BBS doors I've written.

I have heard good words about Multimail.

It's not a very actively developed program these days but it's mature and it's very good for what it does. The author recently did a big update of MM, especially making an "official" Win64 build and cleaning up and modernizing the codebase a bit.

If someone could make a Chrome OS app out of it, I'd be in heaven so then I could run it on my Chromebook. :)

Later,
Sean

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Dale Shipp wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

There are two ways of fixing the Y2K problem with the QWK reader and
REP packets. A link containing both methods, and a lot of other BW
related programs is: http://www.wpusa.dynip.com/files/BLUEWAVE/

Thanks for the link. I've downloaded a few of the files there and will be adding them to the filebase here.

My recommendation for anyone who wants to use BW is the first fix on
that page.

I notice there is no exe replacement in the first fix for OS2. Is the OS2 version also affected by this problem with rep packets? Maybe the other fix there is used for OS2?

I don't know if BW can run under Linux, but there is an OS/2 version. Since my current computer is a 64 bit computer, I cannot run it in
native form -- but choose to run it in a virtual window with Win XP.

It does run under linux. On my 64 bit linux I have problems with pkunzip.
DPMI is no longer supported (in a 64 bit OS, I think) so I have to remember
how to disable DPMI with pkunzip or maybe switch to unzip.

I have heard good words about Multimail.

It works well and has been maintained and supported for a long time now.
It's handy for me on linux.. no unzip or pkunzip issues.. :)


Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hello Alan,

24 Jul 18 16:18 at you wrote to Dale Shipp:

It does run under linux. On my 64 bit linux I have problems with
pkunzip. DPMI is no longer supported (in a 64 bit OS, I think) so I
have to remember how to disable DPMI with pkunzip or maybe switch to unzip.

I've used BW/DPMI just fine under DOSbox and DOSemu with Slackware 64 14.2. I think your DOS emulator is misconfigured. If I can find the right config file, I'll share it here.

Later,
Sean

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On 07-24-18 10:33, Shawn Highfield <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Blue Wave Linux <=-

I don't know if BW can run under Linux, but there is an OS/2 version. Since my current computer is a 64 bit computer, I cannot run it in
native form -- but choose to run it in a virtual window with Win XP.

I use it in dosbox on my 64bit windows and linux computer. So that
will work as well!

There is another dos emulator that I like better than DosBox. It is
called vDOS, a link to info and download page is: https://www.vdos.info/download.html

DosBox was mainly written to support games. The program vDos has some
other features which I find nice, e.g. you can configure it to print
something.

It is worth mentioning that both DOSBOX and vDOS have BlueWave
exhibiting two problems that it does not show when run in a 32-bit
environment.

One of these is minor and cannto (to my knowledge) be fixed. That is
that when BW is run in its usual environment, it does not alter the
date/time stamp of the QWK file. In fact it uses that fact to help
display the files and their read/personal info in the listing of QWK
files. When run with either DOS emulator, the date/time stamp is
changed -- presumably because they detect that the file has been touched
and changed.

The second one is more serious, but a fix has been issued. There is a
fairly long discussion on the forum Vogons about this. The solution is
given in the post as quoted below, but you will probably need to go to
that forum to get the link to the fix.

[quote]
The problem was easier to find with the DOSBox debugger than I thought
it would be. Blue Wave appears to have a flaw where it uses the DOS
"FindFirst" function INT 21/4E with a malformed filespec. Using the
example mail packet the program comes with, it tries to find "C:\BWAVE\WORK\WELCOME.XTI*.BAK". MSDOS 5/6 and the WinXP NTVDM are
unforgiving and return error code 3 (invalid path), leading to a benign
result. DOSBox is more lenient, and finds the "WELCOME.XTI" work packet,
which the program proceeds to delete. Maybe the intent was to clean out
.BAK files in the work folder; but that seems redundant because the
program deletes *.* from there when it finishes recompressing the
packet. It's probably just a mistake that wasn't noticed until DOSBox
shed some light on it.

I adapted a little interrupt watchdog program to work around this
situation in DOSBox. It monitors the FindFirst function, and if it sees
a filespec with an extension of XTI* it will override with an error code
3 result. Run BWAVEFIX.COM from the BWAVE folder; it runs BWAVE.EXE as a
child program. The child exit errorlevel is reflected through the
parent, and the parent command line is given to the child, so the
program is friendly to batch files. Assembler source code is included in
the attached archive.

ATTACHMENTS
BWAVEFIX.ZIP
(1.55 KiB) Downloaded 101 times
[/quote]

http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=18242&hilit=bluewave&start=20


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On 07-24-18 16:18, Alan Ianson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Blue Wave Linux <=-

My recommendation for anyone who wants to use BW is the first fix on
that page.

I notice there is no exe replacement in the first fix for OS2. Is the
OS2 version also affected by this problem with rep packets? Maybe the other fix there is used for OS2?

I really do not know. I am using the first fix, which is a replacement
for the exe file. I don't even know if the OS/2 version had the Y2K
problem, nor whether or not the second fix (my bwrepfix, which is really
a bandaid) would work if it did. What that fix does is to put a batch
file around the Bwave program to intercept the call to packing up the
REP file and repair the defective file.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


... Shipwrecked on Hesperus in Columbia, Maryland. 01:41:37, 26 Jul 2018
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Re: Blue Wave Linux
By: Sean Dennis to Alan Ianson on Wed Jul 25 2018 04:27 pm

I've used BW/DPMI just fine under DOSbox and DOSemu with Slackware 64 14.2. I think your DOS emulator is misconfigured. If I can find the right config file, I'll share it here.

I think it was working when Slackware 14.2 was released. It stopped working here recently because something (I don't remember the details) was removed from the kernel, for security reasons.

There is a command line switch for pkunzip to disable DPMI, "-)" I think but haven't tried that yet.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hello Gonzalo.

03 Sep 18 20:26, you wrote to me:

I am currently using multimail, all well so far.
By the way: I have wrapped Bluewave to work on MacOsX and it does the
job all right. I have been using the very latest paatched version for
the 2K effect. tested a few QWK packages from synchronet, and back to
the flavour of the old days....

I am currently sharing that version as follows on my BBS (unicyber.co.uk:2223):

Awesome! I have tried to log on into your system, but I have been unable to (it does not accept me)... I will drop you a netmail with the details.

Flavio

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Re: Blue Wave Linux
By: Flavio Bessa to Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas on Tue Sep 04 2018 06:11 am

Awesome! I have tried to log on into your system, but I have been
unable to (it does not accept me)... I will drop you a netmail with the details.

Apologies:!!
telnet bbs.unicyber.co.uk 2323

let me know

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BW_mac .zip A 3.1M Blue Wave Mail
(with expanded README.TXT)
Not supported by authors
Use at your own risk!
THis is a Draft-Trial for MacOsX

Multimail is also available https://multimail.sourceforge.io/.



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Re: Re: Blue Wave Linux
By: ptaylor to Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas on Mon Oct 01 2018 10:00 pm

BW_mac .zip A 3.1M Blue Wave Mail
(with expanded README.TXT)
Not supported by authors
Use at your own risk!
THis is a Draft-Trial for MacOsX

Multimail is also available https://multimail.sourceforge.io/.

Yeah, I am also using that one, but I did that workaround. A bit of a nostalgia thing and also anybody who is interested can have some fun.. --->RainManHood<---
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Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas wrote to Nighthawk <=-

I am reading and looking around but not much progress at the moment.

What do you mean? Downloading echomail for me or for my system?

I am currently using multimail, all well so far.
By the way: I have wrapped Bluewave to work on MacOsX and it does the
job all right. I have been using the very latest paatched version for
the 2K effect. tested a few QWK packages from synchronet, and back to
the flavour of the old days....

I am currently sharing that version as follows on my BBS (unicyber.co.uk:2223):

This is really awesome! I tried to sign in into your system a few months ago,
but I was unable to, it said my account could not be created.

I will give it a try again later on.

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Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas wrote to Nighthawk <=-

Awesome! I have tried to log on into your system, but I have been
unable to (it does not accept me)... I will drop you a netmail with the details.

Apologies:!!
telnet bbs.unicyber.co.uk 2323

let me know

I will.

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and prosper... `-.__________,' Always UnionNET Addicted!


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Hello Gonzalo.

I tried to connect to your system, but it says that my name is either duplicate
or invalid.

Could you check on your database and delete my account, if it exists?

Flavio

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Re: Blue Wave Linux
By: Flavio Bessa to Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas on Sun Nov 11 2018 12:37 pm

Flavio,

You got 2 user accounts.
I have deactivated y deleted both of them.

Whenever you wish, have another go.

thanks!

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Hello Gonzalo.

11 Nov 18 19:33, you wrote to me:

You got 2 user accounts.
I have deactivated y deleted both of them.

Whenever you wish, have another go.

Just did that, dropped you an email to confirm my access.

Flavio

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Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas wrote to Nighthawk <=-

Flavio,

You got 2 user accounts.
I have deactivated y deleted both of them.

Whenever you wish, have another go.

Thanks a lot, it's working now.


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What mail reader are you using on Linux?

On 02:37 13/12 , Flavio Bessa wrote:

Gonzalo Fernandez Ordas wrote to Nighthawk <=-

Flavio,

You got 2 user accounts.
I have deactivated y deleted both of them.

Whenever you wish, have another go.

Thanks a lot, it's working now.

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and prosper... `-.__________,' Always UnionNET Addicted!

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