Quoting Kurt Weiske to Mark Lewis on 11-13-15 09:43 <=-

Re: bluewave
By: mark lewis to Nathan Prugh on Thu Nov 12 2015 12:38 pm

his brother attempted to keep things going but was unable to do so
so BW became abandonware...

Since BBS operators are one of the larger users of abandoned software,
we should probably come up with a definition of abandonware.
No updates for 5 years, invalid email or mailing address? No
forwarding address available?

BW would meet all of the above... yet it still is quite workable, even
if no longer registerable... :)

And there are still those that do work with the software to keep it
usable, even if they are doing it without the sanction of the author(s),
who are, as stated, no longer reachable... :)

ttyl neb

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NANCY BACKUS wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

And there are still those that do work with the software to keep it usable, even if they are doing it without the sanction of the
author(s), who are, as stated, no longer reachable... :)

That's why I have the cracks available for all in my BBS filebase. I mean,
if the author didn't bother to make it freeware (or at least give out a key
to stop the nagging like InspectA), the least we, the users, can do is still use the program because we like it without unneeded and unnecessary restrictions.

Myself, I prefer Multimail, but that's because it works with more formats
than just Blue Wave, but again, that's just me.

--Sean


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Since BBS operators are one of the larger users of abandoned software, we should probably come up with a definition of abandonware.

Another thing we should do: Let's re-write this stuff! When I say we, I mean you all, cuz I'm no programmer.

I think one of the BBS Software authors could easily make the software, by incorporating their full screen editor (If they have one.)

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On 11/15/15, Sean Dennis said the following...

I think one of the BBS Software authors could easily make the softwar by incorporating their full screen editor (If they have one.)

Modern BBS software has this capability built in. The BBS software I
run, MBSE, has Blue Wave capability. I believe Mystic BBS has it also (I'm not sure).

Mystic has QWK support, so it will work with the blue wave reader but in QWK mode not the native BW format.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Modern BBS software has this capability built in. The BBS software I run, MBSE, has Blue Wave capability. I believe Mystic BBS has it also (I'm not sure).

But what I mean is, the BBS author could create offline mail software, built off their BBS software QWK/Full Screen Editor capabilities.

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Quoting Sean Dennis to Nancy Backus on 11-14-15 21:09 <=-

NANCY BACKUS wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

And there are still those that do work with the software to keep it
usable, even if they are doing it without the sanction of the
author(s), who are, as stated, no longer reachable... :)

That's why I have the cracks available for all in my BBS filebase. I mean, if the author didn't bother to make it freeware (or at least give out a key to stop the nagging like InspectA), the least we, the users,
can do is still use the program because we like it without unneeded and unnecessary restrictions.

To be fair here, I don't think the author was in a position to give or to refuse... Had he not been in that bad accident, and other things being
equal, he might well have eventually made it freeware... at least
there's not much nag... ;)

Myself, I prefer Multimail, but that's because it works with more
formats than just Blue Wave, but again, that's just me.

What does Multimail do besides QWK and BW....? Those being pretty much
all I have call for... ;)

ttyl neb

... Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

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Quoting Aaron Thomas to Sean Dennis on 11-16-15 20:48 <=-

Modern BBS software has this capability built in. The BBS software I run, MBSE, has Blue Wave capability. I believe Mystic BBS has it also (I'm not sure).

But what I mean is, the BBS author could create offline mail software, built off their BBS software QWK/Full Screen Editor capabilities.

That's been done, but not usually with BW... :)

ttyl neb

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Re: Re: bluewave
By: NANCY BACKUS to SEAN DENNIS on Mon Nov 16 2015 10:02 am

To be fair here, I don't think the author was in a position to give or to refuse... Had he not been in that bad accident, and other things being equal, he might well have eventually made it freeware... at least
there's not much nag... ;)

Interesting, there's a George Hatchew on FB that went to school in Michigan -- the Cutting Edge Computing mailing address was just down the road.
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18 Nov 15 13:57, you wrote to NANCY BACKUS:

To be fair here, I don't think the author was in a position to give
or to refuse... Had he not been in that bad accident, and other
things being equal, he might well have eventually made it freeware...
at least there's not much nag... ;)

Interesting, there's a George Hatchew on FB that went to school in

Michigan

if we're looking at the same profile, that one apparently graduated in 1966... somehow i suspect that that's a little old for the BW author but maybe not... reading thorough that timeline, there is a "thanks for the birthday posts" on Sept 8 2013 so that gives us a little more information to work with... the last
(public) activity on that account was April 6, 2014 when they updated their profile picture to that of the red Corvette Stingray...

then there's a "george hatchew ii" that also shows up but that one may be too young based on the few photos found...

-- the Cutting Edge Computing mailing address was just down the road.

if one of the above is the BW george hatchew, it almost begs the question of the accident... the report(s) that were posted said that it was very severe and
it didn't seem like GH would survive or if they did they would have problems for the rest of their life... martin pollard might have more information if anyone can find him these days...

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?"
- The twelfth Doctor

... Flirt with me like that again and I'll follow you anywhere.
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19 Nov 15 10:42, I wrote to you:

[trim]

-- the Cutting Edge Computing mailing address was just down the road.

if one of the above is the BW george hatchew, it almost begs the question of the accident... the report(s) that were posted said that it was very severe and it didn't seem like GH would survive or if they did they would have problems for the rest of their life... martin pollard might have more information if anyone can find him these days...

following up on this, i've found some more references but this one seems to be the most likely... it appears to have been taken from a FAQ that i haven't found another copy of (yet)...

[quote]

http://www.kannoncom.com/~jhanoian/readers/mail-faq.htm

"9. What's the deal with Blue Wave and registrations?

After a series of setbacks which included automobile accidents, illnesses, and people pirating the Blue Wave reader by generating their own keys, George Hatchew has quit development. The reader can still be registered via the authorized European or Austrailian agents, but George has withdrawn from industry contact."

[/quote]

of course, we now know that official registration is no longer available...

[time passes]

ahh! here we go... a link to the FAQ i reference above...

http://winramturbo.com/fidonet/faqs/mailread.txt

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?"
- The twelfth Doctor

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Quoting Kurt Weiske to Nancy Backus on 11-18-15 14:05 <=-

Re: Re: bluewave
By: NANCY BACKUS to SEAN DENNIS on Mon Nov 16 2015 10:02 am

To be fair here, I don't think the author was in a position to give or to
refuse... Had he not been in that bad accident, and other things being
equal, he might well have eventually made it freeware... at least
there's not much nag... ;)

Interesting, there's a George Hatchew on FB that went to school in Michigan -- the Cutting Edge Computing mailing address was just down
the road.

Dunno... possible... :) Get him to friend you, and ask him if he'll
release BW to the bbs community, if it's the same guy...? never know,
though, it might just be a similarly named cousin or something... ;)

ttyl neb

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Quoting Mark Lewis to Kurt Weiske on 11-19-15 10:47 <=-

To be fair here, I don't think the author was in a position to give
or to refuse... Had he not been in that bad accident, and other
things being equal, he might well have eventually made it freeware...
at least there's not much nag... ;)

Interesting, there's a George Hatchew on FB that went to school in
Michigan

if we're looking at the same profile, that one apparently graduated in 1966... somehow i suspect that that's a little old for the BW author
but maybe not...

That's possible... it would make him about my age, which would make
sense from what I remember about the earlier days, when things were in
active development... :)

reading thorough that timeline, there is a "thanks for
the birthday posts" on Sept 8 2013 so that gives us a little more information to work with... the last (public) activity on that account
was April 6, 2014 when they updated their profile picture to that of
the red Corvette Stingray...
then there's a "george hatchew ii" that also shows up but that one may
be too young based on the few photos found...

Could be a son... or a nephew... :)

-- the Cutting Edge Computing mailing address was just down the road.

if one of the above is the BW george hatchew, it almost begs the
question of the accident... the report(s) that were posted said that
it was very severe and it didn't seem like GH would survive or if
they did they would have problems for the rest of their life...

I seem to remember also, though, that he may have recovered at least
somewhat from the accident, but that he got a job working at some
software firm where they would own any new work he did while working for
them, so that was another factor in his putting any further development
for Cutting Edge on hold, possibly permanently... Although, I could
have my timeline a little mixed there... the accident might have come
second... it's been quite a while now... :)

martin pollard
might have more information if anyone can find him these days...

Another person who's gone missing in the interim...

ttyl neb

... It is the child in man that is the source of his creativity

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Re: Re: bluewave
By: NANCY BACKUS to MARK LEWIS on Sat Nov 21 2015 05:36 pm

I seem to remember also, though, that he may have recovered at least somewhat from the accident, but that he got a job working at some
software firm where they would own any new work he did while working for them, so that was another factor in his putting any further development for Cutting Edge on hold, possibly permanently...

Most software companies allow for a statement of independent work, especially if it's out in the open and predates your employment.
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