"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16cd56@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

I can't speak to the frequency of it, but my last post to the list that wasn't a reply about something Walter Koenig said regarding the show,
never
showed up, and when I emailed a moderator I was told that it didn't hit
their system. This has been a problem here for several years now --
someone
who has a better archive and was posting here more often can tell you when this particular problem popped up, though I remember it was after when I
lost my sight that that message came through, and I was out of commission
for about a year after that happened in terms of using the computer, so it was more recently than the summer of 2004.
I get the impression that the server goes down from time to time or locks
up, and then nothing gets through, so that could be a reason as well. Like
I
said before, moderated newsgroups are a kludge on normal usenet traffic,
so
sometimes less than optimum things happen. I'm on another mailing list
that's moderated simply to eliminate crossposting, and that newsgroup gets about two orders of magnitude more spam than I get on any other newsgroup, simply because messages have to go through an email process to get
moderated, so like I said above, it's often a less than optimum process. Furthermore, it's also of almost no importance. This is a free forum
without
advertizing and only volunteer effort, and no one is going to lose their home, dinner, clothing, or water over it, so it's just window dressing.
And
Jay's response to you was because he finally got some time to respond and
you were rather offensive about it all, so let's not get all victimy here. The simple truth is that you had something go not right, you thought it
was
enemy action instead of happenstance, and so, from what you've said, you
then decided they were persecuting you for some reason and got defensive.

It actually goes beyond that, as there's background here that you're
simply not aware of given that some of it occurred behind-the-scenes
in email exchanges going back a long time ago; situations that I found
to be particularly distasteful which I simply haven't forgotten about
over time. It's pointless to go into specifics though given that it
won't change a thing. Suffice it to say, as I've stated here
previously on numerous occasions, not just recently within the last
few months, posts have gone missing all the way back to the 90s from
whatever service or newsgroup server I happened to be posting from. If
it's indeed tech-related, it sure takes in a lot of territory,
although whether it stems from this newsgroup and how it's configured
or from some unknown intermittent ghost in the machine, I wouldn't be
able to say obviously as there's simply no way for me to know. But
over time, spanning well over a decade, it looks suspicious, and more
than that, has felt suspicious to boot on a number of occasions. This
is not something which has popped up within just the last few years--
at least not for me.

And before you go into the whole
"protecting Joe" angle, Joe doesn't need any protecting -- he's dealt with far greater questions about his integrity than what Claudia suggested. And everyone knows that he's the one to clear up such things, keeping in mind Vorlon commentaries on the truth.

It wasn't integrity-related as I recall; more so embarrassing perhaps
than anything...a portion of it anyway, which I would think to be a
potential reason for it having been kill-filed perhaps by someone in a
position to do it.

Now, mayhap, was there something you would like to say about the show? I can't believe we're coming up next year on the fifteenth anniversary of
the
end of it.

Generally if there's something I want to say about the show nowadays,
or for a long time for that matter, I'd do it elsewhere, such as on
IMDB as Jan has noted, or in one of the other forums I frequent (the
old AOL message board I routinely visited is gone, since they deleted
all of their old boards all a while back in favor of a new and
supposedly "improved" message board format, which is as lousy as can
be. But I have generally shied away from posting here for a whole host
of reasons, not just the possible, and from what you say, probable
technical issues.

All of this stuff aside though, I just want to say that despite our
differences here you deserve a lot of credit for the way you're able
to effectively communicate using a computer. The fact that you appear
to be able to do so with such ease despite your loss of sight is
remarkably impressive, at least to me anyway. One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main
characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though
he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic. You however
give me reason to second guess that personal perception, for what it's
worth.
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I have prior experience in IT as a LAN administrator, Desktop Support tech, Helpdesk Manager, Technical Writer, and a few others. (All before I lost my sight) Anyone who knows how to type can express themself well, though it requires that they also know how to express themself well too. I'm something of a word geek, so I take clear communication seriously, and I've been doing this for almost 32 years now, as I started out with BBS systems.
I acknowledge that I don't know everything about your personal interaction, but I do know a lot about the way things are run here. As said by another on this thread, if you didn't get a rejection email, then your message wasn't rejected by moderation -- their own personal feelings aside, I believe this group has moderators with enough integrity that they wouldn't squash
something and not tell you about it being rejected.
I also think that embarassing Joe from something Claudia said wouldn't be enough reason to reject an email. (Especially with

On Nov 9, 6:01 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
I also think that embarassing Joe from something Claudia said wouldn't be enough reason to reject an email. (Especially with some of the CYA
retconning Claudia has done in the past to remove her responsibility from some issues)

I don't recall it being all that terrible though. The Blastr article highlighted a number of different things that she covers in her book
based on the summary she handed out at Comic Con, but only part of the
article focused on a date she had with Joe which made her feel
awkward. It was a little amusing, but even if he did ask her out and
she felt funny about it, what's the big deal? She's an attractive
woman, especially back then when she was in her thirties, and what guy
would blame Joe for wanting to go out on a date with her, even if it
turned out that she wasn't interested him in that way? At least he
gave it a shot, which is more than can be said about a lot of people
who don't have such guts and then live to regret it because they find themselves wondering later, sometimes years after the fact, how things
might have turned out otherwise if only they had taken a chance,
opened their mouth and made a play for someone they found appealing.
And obviously that's an issue that can apply to both men and women.

Any gruge or bad feelings you hold isn't going to keep those you're holding them against miss one nanosecond of sleep.

I'm well aware of that, and believe me, I don't lose any sleep over it
either. It doesn't mean I'm going to simply forget about it though,
especially not here.

You are a different matter. As
has been said here, they're letting you keep this up -- any one of the moderators could hand moderate you or tell us to knock it off and shut down the thread. They aren't. This should tell you something about the integrity of he people for whom you're holding on to something that started long ago.

Except that I don't see why it should automatically be attributed to 'integrity' necessarily rather than something else, especially when I
found myself censored for some of the most ridiculous reasons in years
past by contrast. That was well before the standards became far more
'relaxed' than has been the case in more recent years.

And besides, one of the moderators just stated that he hasn't bothered
to censor me because he regards me as little more than a nuisance not
worth the bother (paraphrased of course).

This is my option for B5 related stuff -- I dont' use Facebook both because it has blind accessibility problems and because I got tired of BBS's when I shut mine down in 1997.

I don't believe in Facebook --they collect too much personal
information, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's a whole
host of other reasons that I don't care for them and how they go about
things organizationally, so I wouldn't bother to frequent there
either.

And that makes me wonder -- if you're not here to
talk about the show, just why are you here then?

I'll post articles here periodically, as well as elsewhere, and when I
do they're always pertinent to the show in some way, and it really
doesn't thrill me when they simply don't show up, especially when it's
related to tragic news, such as the passing of a prominent cast
member. And that didn't just happen with respect to the tragic passing
of Michael O'Hare more recently, it also happened with Jeff Conaway
last year. People are free to discuss those things as they may see
fit, or not, depending on how they feel, but I take death notices
especially seriously, particularly in a place like this. It has
nothing to do with how I may happen to feel about the members who
frequent this newsgroup one way or the other --It's about
acknowledging and perhaps even honoring the dead. However, in this
particular case the thread topic that didn't show up related to
Claudia's book, and if one of the moderator's did decide to kill it
because they felt it would be embarrassing to Joe, which is somewhat
ridiculous given that it was an article posted on Blastr, where it
would be seen and read by many more people anyway, then they certainly
could have let me know here in this thread why they chose not to let
it go through if that was indeed the case. Anything else that has
stemmed from that has just been me taking it as it comes, and that's
all otherwise.

I hope you're pleased with the results of your interrogation.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:7589d54f-b365-4116-8b38-2712ddf883a4@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 9, 6:01 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
I also think that embarassing Joe from something Claudia said wouldn't be
enough reason to reject an email. (Especially with some of the CYA
retconning Claudia has done in the past to remove her responsibility from
some issues)

I don't recall it being all that terrible though. The Blastr article highlighted a number of different things that she covers in her book
based on the summary she handed out at Comic Con, but only part of the article focused on a date she had with Joe which made her feel
awkward. It was a little amusing, but even if he did ask her out and
she felt funny about it, what's the big deal? She's an attractive
woman, especially back then when she was in her thirties, and what guy
would blame Joe for wanting to go out on a date with her, even if it
turned out that she wasn't interested him in that way? At least he
gave it a shot, which is more than can be said about a lot of people
who don't have such guts and then live to regret it because they find themselves wondering later, sometimes years after the fact, how things
might have turned out otherwise if only they had taken a chance,
opened their mouth and made a play for someone they found appealing.
And obviously that's an issue that can apply to both men and women.

Any gruge or bad feelings you hold isn't going to keep those you're
holding
them against miss one nanosecond of sleep.

I'm well aware of that, and believe me, I don't lose any sleep over it either. It doesn't mean I'm going to simply forget about it though, especially not here.

You are a different matter. As
has been said here, they're letting you keep this up -- any one of the
moderators could hand moderate you or tell us to knock it off and shut
down
the thread. They aren't. This should tell you something about the
integrity
of he people for whom you're holding on to something that started long
ago.

Except that I don't see why it should automatically be attributed to 'integrity' necessarily rather than something else, especially when I
found myself censored for some of the most ridiculous reasons in years
past by contrast. That was well before the standards became far more 'relaxed' than has been the case in more recent years.

And besides, one of the moderators just stated that he hasn't bothered
to censor me because he regards me as little more than a nuisance not
worth the bother (paraphrased of course).

This is my option for B5 related stuff -- I dont' use Facebook both
because
it has blind accessibility problems and because I got tired of BBS's when >> I
shut mine down in 1997.

I don't believe in Facebook --they collect too much personal
information, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's a whole
host of other reasons that I don't care for them and how they go about
things organizationally, so I wouldn't bother to frequent there
either.

And that makes me wonder -- if you're not here to
talk about the show, just why are you here then?

I'll post articles here periodically, as well as elsewhere, and when I
do they're always pertinent to the show in some way, and it really
doesn't thrill me when they simply don't show up, especially when it's related to tragic news, such as the passing of a prominent cast
member. And that didn't just happen with respect to the tragic passing
of Michael O'Hare more recently, it also happened with Jeff Conaway
last year. People are free to discuss those things as they may see
fit, or not, depending on how they feel, but I take death notices
especially seriously, particularly in a place like this. It has
nothing to do with how I may happen to feel about the members who
frequent this newsgroup one way or the other --It's about
acknowledging and perhaps even honoring the dead. However, in this
particular case the thread topic that didn't show up related to
Claudia's book, and if one of the moderator's did decide to kill it
because they felt it would be embarrassing to Joe, which is somewhat ridiculous given that it was an article posted on Blastr, where it
would be seen and read by many more people anyway, then they certainly
could have let me know here in this thread why they chose not to let
it go through if that was indeed the case. Anything else that has
stemmed from that has just been me taking it as it comes, and that's
all otherwise.

I hope you're pleased with the results of your interrogation.

Everything has been reported to MinPax, of course.

John Kennedy is, not, as far as I know, a moderator, and I didn't read his response to you as indicative of him saying he was.
Since you shut down such responses from the moderators, you are assuming
that you were censored instead of knowing it for sure, as you have no
evidence either way if it was moderation or not. In light of constant
problems getting things to this newsgroup, it's more logical to assume that
it wasn't direct moderation, and instead was the result of some other
problem. I understand there is emotional value in assuming that it's enemy action, but that is an assumption.
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On Nov 10, 9:16=A0am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

John Kennedy is, not, as far as I know, a moderator,

For the record, I'm not, and never have been, and, if I were, the
first thing I would do would be to try to fix the moderation so that
it would work for /me/, which it hasn't, ever since I switched years
ago from the attglobal.net ISP (the former ibm.net, exclusively dial-
up) to optonline.net (Cablevision), so that I am forced to use the
odious and increasingly unusable Google Groups.

and I didn't read his
response to you as indicative of him saying he was.

And, of course, I was saying no such thing. I was merely pointing out
a blindingly obvious and completely public fact, accepting the
monitive role on the principle that (as Sir Dinadan said to Taliessin
in the rose garden in a far higher matter): "Any may be; one must."
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On Nov 10, 9:16=A0am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

Since you shut down such responses from the moderators, you are assuming
that you were censored instead of knowing it for sure, as you have no evidence either way if it was moderation or not. In light of constant problems getting things to this newsgroup, it's more logical to assume th=

at

it wasn't direct moderation, and instead was the result of some other problem. I understand there is emotional value in assuming that it's enem=

y

action, but that is an assumption.

I have very good intuition generally speaking. The Presidential
election turned out exactly as I feared it would in fact.

But I take your point.
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 02:50:43 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <d4abcdbe-b909-4c07-bbff-1b840728467b@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>):

I believe someone sees my post in the moderation cue, and

just dumps it. <<

Ha! It is so funny to come back here after all this time and see what i=
s=20
going on. StarFury, first of all, you can lay the blame square with me on=
=20
your Claudia post not getting through. I have had a VERY complex and toug=
h=20
year, starting with my February surgery that went wrong, and had long-run= ning=20
complications through the spring (hospital-acquired infection had me on a=
pic=20
line for months) followed by more complicated and painful physical therap=
y=20
than I'd had before. Then came the late spring and summer, when my elderl=
y=20
parents found a home down here, and I spent every weekend schlepping up t=
o=20
New York with my husband to help them pack a lifetime of stuff and get th=
e=20
house ready for the sale. Then they moved here, right around the block fr= om=20
me, and that quickly became a full time job that I didn't expect (taking = them=20
to supermarkets, doctors, stores, etc.). And then I went to Paris for a f= ew=20
weeks on a much-deserved vacation. Then I came back, and it was election = time=20
=8B I'm a seasonal poll worker so this takes up some space in my life. A=
nd now=20
it is post-election, and I am back looking in on things. So, am I telling=
you=20
all of this so you can play your tiny violin for me? Indeed no. I am just=
=20
telling you that I was more busy than usual all year long, and thus have = not=20
been holding up my end of things in moderation land. For at least a year,=
=20
this place has become so empty it is practically desolate. So instead of=20 popping in several times a day, every day, I have only been popping in to=
=20
moderate VERY occasionally, for which I apologize. But when week after we= ek=20
goes by with NOTHING in the queue, I started to think that maybe this pla= ce=20
was just being deserted by people hopping over to Facebook. Obviously I w= as=20
wrong, and I'll get back on the stick with my daily moderation. So, that = post=20
*specifically* not appearing was indeed my fault.

But the second point I want to make is this: I can't speak for anyone els= e,=20
but as long as I have been moderating, which is some years, NO ONE is loo= king=20
at who is posting and deciding on that basis whether or not to approve it=
.=20
You have a highly inflated opinion of yourself if you think that. Most of=
us=20
are really quite busy with our actual lives, and we are doing this =8B=20 moderating, keeping the newsgroup running =8B=A0out of the kindness of ou=
r hearts=20
and a love for this property. Having said that, if I read something=20 inflammatory, you bet I will go back up and check who posted it. But on a=
=20
normal basis? If a post is a garden variety, non-inflammatory post, with = an=20
opinion or a link or a question, it's all most of us can do to have time = to=20
read it and approve it. No one is sitting around moderating and waiting f= or=20
your posts to show up just so we can bounce them. Sheesh, dude. And, srsl=
y.

Amy
Still here!

--=20
Diligent Moderatrix
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:22:52 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <c89c6a78-ac7c-453d-ae84-de8f3b2547c2@ib4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 7, 9:44=A0pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <ala_dir_di...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

=20
Since this is an existing thread, and I doubt any of us are on
hand-moderation, the moderators aren't approving the messages.
=20
Dennis

=20
No one cares about this newsgroup anymore. It's a wonder that didn't
happen sooner. <<

What does this even *mean*? A non-moderated thread allowing posts through=
=20
from all non-hand-moderated posters is a *normal* condition here; it coul= dn't=20
"happen sooner" because that is the natural state of existence of a=20 non-moderated post and posts by non-hand-moderated posters. It has nothin=
g to=20
do with any perceived neglect.

Amy


--=20
Diligent Moderatrix
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 05:38:39 -0500, Bruce Goatly wrote

(in article <RYLms.244277$Tf3.45935@fx12.am4>):

StarFuryG7 wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:27 pm, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

Are you completely incapable of ever dropping a subject? It's amazing to >>> watch you both here and on IMDb.

It depends on what it is, but if you really paid attention to my posts
there you'd have noticed that.

But hey, Jan --you don't have to bother with me if you don't care to.
In fact, you didn't even have to stick your nose in here.

Pardon me if that's too blunt and direct.

Why should she pardon someone whose *only* purpose here is to be obnoxious and aggressive? <<

To be fair, StarFury does post on topic and is interested in the show.

Amy

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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:51:11 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <367fe63f-2b5f-4e1f-864a-d664ce405caa@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 8, 3:37=A0pm, "John W. Kennedy" <john.w.kenn...@gmail.com>
wrote.:

=20
Are you so completely lost to all reason that you cannot perceive that
the very people you are accusing of censoring you (and for no
particular reason at that) are the same people who are demonstrably /
not/ censoring you, even though you are deliberately and viciously
insulting them on a daily basis?

=20
Do you even realize that this thread fell dormant back in July, only
to become active again once the 'retired' moderator decided to
resurrect it by posting a reply to me in October, more than two months later?<<

Since you are using single quotes around "retired," presumably to be=20 sarcastic, I have to point out here that while Jay is indeed retired from=
=20
moderation, that doesn't mean he can't read and post here like everybody=20 else. So, no sarcastic single quotes required!

Amy


--=20
Diligent Moderatrix
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On 11/12/2012 1:41 PM, Amy Guskin wrote:

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 05:38:39 -0500, Bruce Goatly wrote

(in article <RYLms.244277$Tf3.45935@fx12.am4>):

StarFuryG7 wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:27 pm, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

Are you completely incapable of ever dropping a subject? It's amazing to >>>> watch you both here and on IMDb.

It depends on what it is, but if you really paid attention to my posts
there you'd have noticed that.

But hey, Jan --you don't have to bother with me if you don't care to.
In fact, you didn't even have to stick your nose in here.

Pardon me if that's too blunt and direct.

Why should she pardon someone whose *only* purpose here is to be obnoxious >> and aggressive? <<

To be fair, StarFury does post on topic and is interested in the show.

Amy

Hi Amy,

Glad to see you back. Did your medical situation resolve itself?

Mike
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"Amy Guskin" wrote in message news:0001HW.CCC6AAD803B1B91AB051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

<snip>

Amy
Still here!

Glad to hear it!

Dennis
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:31:09 -0500, news wrote

(in article <fFfos.16003$h94.12732@newsfe02.iad>):

Hi Amy,
=20
Glad to see you back. Did your medical situation resolve itself? <<

Hi, Mike =8B=A0thanks for asking. Yes and no: after two months on the pic=
line,=20
the infection is well and truly gone, but my arm is a *mess*, and while t= he=20
pain that prompted this revision surgery is gone, the arms works *worse* = than=20
before, which is a little depressing. But it's all good: I could have ble=
d=20
out on the table, so I consider myself ahead of the game by being alive!

Amy
--=20
Diligent Moderatrix
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:45:41 -0500, Dennis \(Icarus\) wrote

(in article <befba$50a1de89$cf62c293$1812@KNOLOGY.NET>):

"Amy Guskin" wrote in message news:0001HW.CCC6AAD803B1B91AB051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

<snip>

Amy
Still here!

Glad to hear it! <<

Thanks, buddy!

Amy
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On Nov 12, 1:32=C2=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

Ha! =C2=A0It is so funny to come back =C2=A0here after all this time and =

see what is

going on.

Happy to be of assistance.

StarFury, first of all, you can lay the blame square with me on
your Claudia post not getting through.

Are you the only moderator here? I could swear I saw another within
recent days claiming that my comments about missing posts is of no
concern.

I have had a VERY complex and tough
year, starting with my February surgery that went wrong, and had long-run=

ning

complications through the spring (hospital-acquired infection had me on a=

pic

line for months) followed by more complicated and painful physical therap=

y

than I'd had before. Then came the late spring and summer, when my elderl=

y

parents found a home down here, and I spent every weekend schlepping up t=

o

New York with my husband to help them pack a lifetime of stuff and get th=

e

house ready for the sale. Then they moved here, right around the block fr=

om

me, and that quickly became a full time job that I didn't expect (taking =

them

to supermarkets, doctors, stores, etc.).

This looks and smells like too much of an obvious trap, and I refuse
to take the bait if it is.

And then I went to Paris for a few
weeks on a much-deserved vacation.

Well, at least someone got to go on a vacation this year.

Then I came back, and it was election time
=E2=80=B9 I'm a seasonal poll worker so this takes up some space in my li=

fe. =C2=A0And now

it is post-election, and I am back looking in on things. So, am I telling=

you

all of this so you can play your tiny violin for me?

I don't play a violin, tiny or otherwise. The only musical instrument
I've played was the clarinet, and that was a long time ago.

Indeed no. I am just
telling you that I was more busy than usual all year long, and thus have =

not

been holding up my end of things in moderation land. For at least a year, this place has become so empty it is practically desolate.

Yes, a wonder it didn't happen a lot sooner, as I said.

So instead of
popping in several times a day, every day, I have only been popping in to moderate VERY occasionally, for which I apologize.

If you say so.

But when week after week
goes by with NOTHING in the queue, I started to think that maybe this pla=

ce

was just being deserted by people hopping over to Facebook. Obviously I w=

as

wrong, and I'll get back on the stick with my daily moderation.

Oh, the temptation ...but that one is too easy anyway.

So, that post
*specifically* not appearing was indeed my fault.

But the second point I want to make is this: I can't speak for anyone els=

e,

but as long as I have been moderating, which is some years, NO ONE is loo=

king

at who is posting and deciding on that basis whether or not to approve it=

.

Didn't you just say that you couldn't speak for anyone else?

You have a highly inflated opinion of yourself if you think that.

Nah, not really.

Most of us
are really quite busy with our actual lives, and we are doing this =E2=80=

=B9

moderating, keeping the newsgroup running =E2=80=B9=C2=A0out of the kindn=

ess of our hearts

and a love for this property.

Oh, the devotion! In fact, I'm the one hearing a violin at the moment.
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On Nov 12, 1:41=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:22:52 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article <c89c6a78-ac7c-453d-ae84-de8f3b254...@ib4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 7, 9:44=A0pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <ala_dir_di...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Since this is an existing thread, and I doubt any of us are on
hand-moderation, the moderators aren't approving the messages.

Dennis

No one cares about this newsgroup anymore. It's a wonder that didn't
happen sooner. <<

What does this even *mean*?

I thought it was fairly clear: that there's nothing or no one here to 'moderate' anymore.
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On Nov 12, 1:43=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:51:11 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article <367fe63f-2b5f-4e1f-864a-d664ce405...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 8, 3:37=A0pm, "John W. Kennedy" <john.w.kenn...@gmail.com>
wrote.:

Are you so completely lost to all reason that you cannot perceive that
the very people you are accusing of censoring you (and for no
particular reason at that) are the same people who are demonstrably /
not/ censoring you, even though you are deliberately and viciously
insulting them on a daily basis?

Do you even realize that this thread fell dormant back in July, only
to become active again once the 'retired' moderator decided to
resurrect it by posting a reply to me in October, more than two months later?<<

Since you are using single quotes around "retired," presumably to be sarcastic,

Have you even noticed your colleague's Sig Line? It says only
"Moderator", with no mention of the word " retired".

And you're a lousy mind-reader by the way, as I only used "single
quotes" to reflect what he told me about his status here.

I have to point out here that while Jay is indeed retired from
moderation, that doesn't mean he can't read and post here like everybody else. So, no sarcastic single quotes required!

And "presumably" he still uses the same moderation software that you
rely on --you know, the same software that allows you to designate a
particular thread for "hand-moderation", and which can prevent a
message from making it through for posting to the forum.
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:36:38 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article <1dddbac1-b7bb-4455-b40e-bada8a05111d@j18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>):

I have to point out here that while Jay is indeed retired from
moderation, that doesn't mean he can't read and post here like everybody
else. So, no sarcastic single quotes required!

And "presumably" he still uses the same moderation software that you
rely on --you know, the same software that allows you to designate a particular thread for "hand-moderation", and which can prevent a
message from making it through for posting to the forum. <<

You do realize that the program we use for moderation is not a newsreader, right? I am reading and posting using Hogwasher. Hogwasher is not moderation software. So Jay can indeed be reading and posting without being in the moderation space.

Amy


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On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:16:40 AM UTC-5, StarFuryG7 wrote:

Are you the only moderator here?

YES, for all intents and purposes she is. Jay and Cheryl can moderate and do, when Amy is away. Which is the only reason Jay ever saw your whinging about missing posts.

Just exactly why do you find it appropriate to be such an asshole toward the very people who can slap you on hand moderation? Seems pretty counter-productive for somebody who values his posts showing up quickly.

Get over yourself. You're boring.

Jan
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On Nov 14, 11:20=A0am, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

Just exactly why do you find it appropriate to be such an asshole toward =

the very people who can slap you on hand moderation?

Honestly, Jan, I really could not care less what you think of me.
However, I took the tone and attitude of her post and threw it right
back at her (not that you noticed obviously), and after what occurred
here five years ago also in my dealings with her, it was warranted.

Seems pretty counter-productive for somebody who values his posts showing=

up quickly.

So I'm supposed to kiss ass in order to insure something that should
happen routinely anyway?

Your attitude about that reflects exactly what I've been complaining
about with regard to it and why I feel the way I do about it. In other
words, thanks.

Get over yourself. =A0You're boring.

Jan

So are you --feel free to ignore me both here and on the IMDB board.

Have a nice life.
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On Nov 14, 9:51=A0am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

You do realize that the program we use for moderation is not a newsreader=

,

right?

It's irrelevant. The point was that just because he says he's
'retired' (yes, "single quotes'), he still retains the same ability to
do everything he used to do as an active moderator.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:6b824bc8-0cd8-4355-b4de-d8c6ec8de960@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 9:51 am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

You do realize that the program we use for moderation is not a newsreader, right?

It's irrelevant. The point was that just because he says he's
'retired' (yes, "single quotes'), he still retains the same ability to
do everything he used to do as an active moderator.
---
Yes, just like you retain the ability to not respond to everything that
comes through here if there is the slighest possibility that it will keep
this little trollfest going. But like your choice not to use restraint, I've seen no evidence that he has chosen to use hiss moderator priveleges to
censor any of your messages, even though at this point the horse is as dead
as Centari expansion plans. The fact that your messages keep getting through belies your theory that you have been categorically moderated. Yes, you can create all kinds of elaborate theories about how they're still arrayed
against you, but that fluttering thing obscuring your vision is the finger
of the shade of Sir William of Occam shaking his finger at you.
So, in light of the fact that you have managed to annoy or frustrate a majority of the regulars here on this group, what are you planning for you next act? I can't imagine one that would put you in an even worse light,
but, as the saying goes, "There are more

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:39:40 PM UTC-5, StarFuryG7 wrote:

However, I took the tone and attitude of her post and threw it right back=

at her (not that you noticed obviously), and after what occurred here five=
years ago also in my dealings with her, it was warranted.

I neither remember nor care what happened 5 years ago. However, let me tel=
l you, as somebody who knows Amy for many years, on and off the newsgroup, = that you're so off base as to be in a different universe. Amy apologized a=
nd meant it. She gave you an explanation as to why she hasn't been moderat= ing much. That's all it was, an explanation not an excuse. =20

You owe her an apology. Let's see if you're big enough to extend it.

Jan
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On Nov 14, 3:03=A0pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
Yes, just like you retain the ability to not respond to everything that
comes through here if there is the slighest possibility that it will keep this little trollfest going.

Nicole, need I remind you --and apparently I must-- that where things
last left off between the two of us that I couldn't have been more
polite, and even acknowledged your point. I was content to drop
everything there and leave it at that, but then what happened? Well,
it's obvious --your friend the moderator decided to chime in with an
all too familiar and typically snarky attitude, so please, spare me
the bullcrap, will ya.
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On Nov 14, 4:29=A0pm, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

I neither remember nor care what happened 5 years ago.

Well, that's you.

However, let me tell you, as somebody who knows Amy for many years, on an=

d off the newsgroup, that you're so off base as to be in a different univer= se. =A0Amy apologized and meant it.

Yes, amid all of her derision and sarcasm, I'm sure she "meant it" --
Not.

She gave you an explanation as to why she hasn't been moderating much. =

=A0That's all it was, an explanation not an excuse.

Call it what you will, but what I found interesting about it was that
she acknowledged a specific post which didn't show up as being her
fault, as though she had seen it. And yet I have heard all sorts of
speculative reasons as to why a post of mine might not show up here,
but a moderator not doing their job was overlooked as a possibility.
Instead it was attributed to a variety of potential technical
problems, or me just looking to make a mountain out of a molehill, but
not a moderator who wasn't around to approve something.

You owe her an apology. =A0Let's see if you're big enough to extend it.

Jan

She owed me an apology five years ago --at least one, and I never got
it.

And I certainly don't owe her one now for any darn thing.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:7eec43a5-92bc-4dc3-98ad-8ba0572ccb3b@o8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 3:03 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
Yes, just like you retain the ability to not respond to everything that
comes through here if there is the slighest possibility that it will keep this little trollfest going.

Nicole, need I remind you --and apparently I must-- that where things
last left off between the two of us that I couldn't have been more
polite, and even acknowledged your point. I was content to drop
everything there and leave it at that, but then what happened? Well,
it's obvious --your friend the moderator decided to chime in with an
all too familiar and typically snarky attitude, so please, spare me
the bullcrap, will ya.
---
One man's snarky attitude is another man's honest response, especially on
the internet. So please, take the Sequoia tree off your sholder and return
it to the national park. What's done is done, and once again, I point you to Vorlon comments on veracity.
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:01:25 PM UTC-5, StarFuryG7 wrote:

On Nov 14, 4:29=A0pm, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:
=20
=20
Yes, amid all of her derision and sarcasm, I'm sure she "meant it" --
=20
Not.
=20
=20

The ONLY slightly snarky bit of her entire lengthy post was the last four w= ords of the last paragraph. And incredibly mild snark at that. If it were=
me, I'd have called a spade a spade and called you a raving paranoiac. Bu=
t that's just me.

=20
Call it what you will, but what I found interesting about it was that
=20
she acknowledged a specific post which didn't show up as being her
=20
fault, as though she had seen it. And yet I have heard all sorts of
=20
speculative reasons as to why a post of mine might not show up here,
=20
but a moderator not doing their job was overlooked as a possibility.
=20
Instead it was attributed to a variety of potential technical
=20
problems, or me just looking to make a mountain out of a molehill, but
=20
not a moderator who wasn't around to approve something.
=20

Believe me, while we appreciate her entirely volunteer efforts, most of us = simply don't think much about the mechanics of moderation at all. And as yo=
u say, speculative reasons were given. It's not as if this discussion is e= ither an investigation or trial. We gave information on possible reasons b= ased on past experience.=20

=20

=20

You owe her an apology. =A0Let's see if you're big enough to extend it.

=20

=20
She owed me an apology five years ago --at least one, and I never got
=20
it.
=20
=20
=20
And I certainly don't owe her one now for any darn thing.

Oh, you do. But it's your karmic debt to accrue so do as you will. Must b=
e rough carrying every grudge and imagined slight around all the time.

Now then...how about you either drop it or talk about the actual thread top= ic? =20

Jan
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(Off Topic demised equine abuse deleted)
I did a recent check of Bookshare.org, a site for blind folks, and only the Centauri Prime Trilogy is availible there. Since it's a volunteer effort,
they could use some folks to scan the books and proof the scans. They have agreements with the publishers to make the books availible for blind folks,
so it won't violate any copyright.
And I still want to know if Minister Leone was Joe's idea of Peter's.
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On Nov 14, 7:38=A0pm, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

The ONLY slightly snarky bit of her entire lengthy post was the last four=

words of the last paragraph. =A0And incredibly mild snark at that. =A0If i=
t were me, I'd have called a spade a spade and called you a raving paranoia=
c. =A0But that's just me. <

Uh huh --stick that with your own tiny violin while you're at it.

I've grown accustomed to your blinders by the way.

And clearly nothing rude or impolite about your insults
obviously ...in fact, your manure smells like roses, doesn't it?

Of course it does ...and next you'll be a candidate for sainthood as a
matter of fact.

Believe me, while we appreciate her entirely volunteer efforts, most of u=

s simply don't think much about the mechanics of moderation at all. And as = you say, speculative reasons were given. =A0It's not as if this discussion =
is either an investigation or trial. =A0We gave information on possible rea= sons based on past experience. <

Right --all of which omitted a moderator somehow being at fault
obviously, which turned out to be the case. So when you get right down
to it, I was actually correct as to why at least one post never showed
up here. So Jan, where is the "apology" from you? Come on, let's see
you "man up".

Yeah, didn't think so.

Oh, you do. =A0But it's your karmic debt to accrue so do as you will. <

If being less than polite to a few snobs on a message board is the
worst I have to worry about in terms of karma, I'd say I'm not doing
all that bad obviously.

Must be rough carrying every grudge and imagined slight around all the ti=

me. <

Or maybe there really is something to be said about the company here.

I'm definitely going with the latter.

Now then...how about you either drop it or talk about the actual thread t=

opic?

Jan

I'll tell you what--by all means feel free to do that yourself.
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On Nov 14, 7:12=A0pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

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One man's snarky attitude is another man's honest response, especially on
the internet.

Say hello to the honest man.
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On Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:14:08 AM UTC-5, StarFuryG7 wrote:

On Nov 14, 7:38=A0pm, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:
=20
And clearly nothing rude or impolite about your insults
=20

=20
You're right. I apologize for calling you an asshole. Regardless of accur= acy, it was rude and childish of me and I shouldn't have done it.

=20
Right --all of which omitted a moderator somehow being at fault
=20
obviously, which turned out to be the case. So when you get right down
=20
to it, I was actually correct as to why at least one post never showed
=20
up here. So Jan, where is the "apology" from you? Come on, let's see
=20
you "man up".
=20
=20
=20
Yeah, didn't think so.
=20

Apologize for admitted speculation being incorrect? Generally one apologiz=
es for an actual wrong done knowingly, not for accidental and harmless erro=
r. So yeah, I'm woman enough to admit I/we were wrong. All better now, ri= ght? Thought so.

Jan
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:eb6397c9-706b-42ea-85d0-74677d5c00c3@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 7:12 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
One man's snarky attitude is another man's honest response, especially on
the internet.

Say hello to the honest man.
---
I will, next time I run into him. Or does self delusion not count against honesty?
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:00:56 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k80tdv$1i7$1@news.albasani.net>):

I can't imagine one that would put you in an even worse light,

but, as the saying goes, "There are more things than are dreamed of in my philosophy." (Paraphrased and possibly slightly misremembered, though if it's too far off the mark then I hope our own High Priestess of Picked Nits will correct it) <<

Ooh, good, you picked one I know. :-)

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Amy
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:01:17 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article <4dda15d7-c22e-48f8-8f5c-69a91e21096a@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>):

Call it what you will, but what I found interesting about it was that
she acknowledged a specific post which didn't show up as being her
fault, as though she had seen it.<<

Duh! At that point, I had read a handful of messages talking about it. How does saying "your Claudia post" signify that I had seen it? All I had seen was your post(s) talking about how it hadn't appeared yet!

And, dude, I've gotta say: you have some *severe* contextual comprehension issues with my posts. Not that I've never been snarky, or sarcastic, but I sure haven't been AT ALL in this particular thread. I'd say, "When I'm
snarky or sarcastic, you'll *know* it...but apparently you won't.

And yet I have heard all sorts of

speculative reasons as to why a post of mine might not show up here,
but a moderator not doing their job was overlooked as a possibility.
Instead it was attributed to a variety of potential technical
problems, or me just looking to make a mountain out of a molehill, but
not a moderator who wasn't around to approve something. <<

So *what*? They probably didn't suggest that because I've made a point over the years of saying that I moderate several times a day, every day, which was true up until Feb. 2 of this year when I went in for my shoulder reconstruction, and then got lax/lazy. It *still* doesn't mean anyone is purposefully looking for *your* messages and dumping them. Which, by the
way, is seriously self-centered; no one is that interested in you or your posts. There are definitely people who have posted here in the past that
might make someone look for and read their posts carefully in case they need hand moderating, but I don't think you're one of them. And in NO case would we just dump a post, anyway! As someone pointed out earlier up the thread, if we bounce something it *automatically generates a reason and emails it to you.* Automatically. So you'd know if you were bounced, assuming you can receiving email from the modbot (which I think you have to in order to be registered in the newsgroup).

She owed me an apology five years ago --at least one, and I never got

it. <<

No idea. I remember Mac Breck being ticked off at me for something I said about the book series, but I have no clue / no memory of this.

Amy

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:14:01 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article <a98c0d85-5399-45f8-90e3-507b2e4a6978@v9g2000yql.googlegroups.com>):

Right --all of which omitted a moderator somehow being at fault
obviously, which turned out to be the case. So when you get right down
to it, I was actually correct as to why at least one post never showed
up here. So Jan, where is the "apology" from you? Come on, let's see
you "man up". <<

Actually, you were not correct. On July 28, you said this, which is what prompted me to respond (after someone pointed it out to me and I came back to the newsgroup this week after my lengthy absence):

I believe someone sees my post in the moderation cue, and

just dumps it. <<

But instead it turned out that it was just me not being together enough to moderate for an extended period of time. So, not "actually correct"; instead, actually incorrect.

And by the way, I barely can handle just the step-by-step moderation process: I wouldn't have clue one how to "just dump" any message. I can *bounce* a message, but if I do that, you will get a reason emailed to you. Automatically. As I've said before.

Amy
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On Nov 15, 6:11=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:00:56 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k80tdv$1i...@news.albasani.net>):

=A0I can't imagine one that would put you in an even worse light,

but, as the saying goes, "There are more things than are dreamed of in =

my

philosophy." (Paraphrased and possibly slightly misremembered, though i=

f

it's too far off the mark then I hope our own High Priestess of Picked =

Nits

will correct it) =A0<<

Ooh, good, you picked one I know. :-)

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of i=

n

your philosophy."

With the understanding that "your philosophy", in this case, means
"that philosophy stuff", as in, "I got yer math right here, I got yer
science, I got yer philosophy," which is vulgar nowadays, but was
perfectly respectable in Shakespeare's day.
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"Nicole Massey" wrote in message news:k81mc6$ran$1@news.albasani.net...

I did a recent check of Bookshare.org, a site for blind folks, and only the >Centauri Prime Trilogy is availible there. Since it's a volunteer effort, >they could use some folks to scan the books and proof the scans. They have >agreements with the publishers to make the books availible for blind folks, >so it won't violate any copyright.
And I still want to know if Minister Leone was Joe's idea of Peter's.

Thanks for that!
will contact them.

Dennis
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:31:36 AM UTC+13, Amy Guskin wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:31:09 -0500, news wrote

=20
(in article <fFfos.16003$h94.12732@newsfe02.iad>):
=20

Hi Amy,

=20

=20

=20

Glad to see you back. Did your medical situation resolve itself? <<

=20
Hi, Mike =8B=A0thanks for asking. Yes and no: after two months on the pic=

line,=20

the infection is well and truly gone, but my arm is a *mess*, and while t=

he=20

pain that prompted this revision surgery is gone, the arms works *worse* =

than=20

before, which is a little depressing. But it's all good: I could have ble=

d=20

out on the table, so I consider myself ahead of the game by being alive!=

=20

Ouch Amy, you poor thing. Thank you for the update. I hope you make a full = recovery in time. I'll be sure to send you healing energy. Nice to have you=
back with us.=20

Matthew=20
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On Nov 15, 7:59=A0am, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

Apologize for admitted speculation being incorrect?

No, for deliberately ruling out the one possibility you weren't
interested in considering, while criticizing and mocking me in the
process.

Generally one apologizes for an actual wrong done knowingly

Exactly.
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On Nov 15, 8:00=A0am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

"StarFuryG7" <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote in message

news:eb6397c9-706b-42ea-85d0-74677d5c00c3@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 7:12 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
One man's snarky attitude is another man's honest response, especially =

on

the internet.

Say hello to the honest man.
---
I will, next time I run into him. Or does self delusion not count against=

honesty? <

I've not only been completely forthright here, but it turns out that
I've been vindicated to boot. I can understand your unwillingness to acknowledge that given that you've preferred being adversarial in my
direction, but calling me a liar seriously undermines your snooty
pretense of being 'above it all'.
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On Nov 15, 6:23=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:01:17 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article <4dda15d7-c22e-48f8-8f5c-69a91e210...@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>):

Call it what you will, but what I found interesting about it was that
she acknowledged a specific post which didn't show up as being her
fault, as though she had seen it.<<

Duh! =A0At that point, I had read a handful of messages talking about it.=

=A0How

does saying "your Claudia post" signify that I had seen it? =A0All I had =

seen

was your post(s) talking about how it hadn't appeared yet!

Then why were you accepting blame for it not having appeared? We're
talking about a post from back during the summer.

And allow me to quote you:

"Ha! It is so funny to come back here after all this time and see what
is going on. StarFury, first of all, you can lay the blame square with
me on your Claudia post not getting through."

Now, if there are various system quirks that might stand to prevent a
post from making it through to this board, as has been claimed, how do
you know the post about her not showing up was attributable to you
directly rather than one of those supposed technical problems that
potentially exist?

And again, it's a post from months ago -- did you see it still stuck
in the queue after all this time? Why accept blame if you didn't-- couldn't--know whether you were actually at fault?

And, dude, I've gotta say: you have some *severe* contextual comprehensio=

n

issues with my posts. Not that I've never been snarky, or sarcastic, but =

I

sure haven't been AT ALL in this particular thread. =A0I'd say, "When I'm snarky or sarcastic, you'll *know* it...but apparently you won't.

Ha! It's so funny to come back here and see this!

So *what*? They probably didn't suggest that because I've made a point ov=

er

the years of saying that I moderate several times a day, every day, which=

was

true up until Feb. 2 of this year when I went in for my shoulder reconstruction, and then got lax/lazy. It *still* doesn't mean anyone is purposefully looking for *your* messages and dumping them.

"Purposely looking"? I see it as more casual and cavalier than that
frankly. "Oh, there he is again." :::Dump:::

Which, by the
way, is seriously self-centered;

If there's one thing I'd never be accused of out in the real world by
people who know me, that's it.

no one is that interested in you or your
posts.

One doesn't have to be particularly interested in me or my posts to be
spiteful just for the sake of it.

As someone pointed out earlier up the thread, if
we bounce something it *automatically generates a reason and emails it to you.* Automatically. So you'd know if you were bounced, assuming you can receiving email from the modbot (which I think you have to in order to be registered in the newsgroup).

Thank yourselves for my having pulled the plug on that year's ago --
and posts not appearing with no such notifications predated my having
changed my mail settings.

She owed me an apology five years ago --at least one, and I never got =

it.

No idea. I remember Mac Breck being ticked off at me for something I said about the book series, but I have no clue / no memory of this.

So you say, but I'm inclined to doubt that. Even if out of simple
curiosity than nothing else, refreshing your memory wouldn't be all
that difficult.
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On Nov 15, 6:33=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

But instead it turned out that it was just me not being together enough t=

o

moderate for an extended period of time. So, not "actually correct"; inst=

ead,

actually incorrect.

It still comes down to a moderator not doing their assigned duty
regardless.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:fe030c38-87b6-45d3-b614-d04553eef008@c16g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 15, 8:00 am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

"StarFuryG7" <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote in message

news:eb6397c9-706b-42ea-85d0-74677d5c00c3@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 7:12 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
One man's snarky attitude is another man's honest response, especially
on
the internet.

Say hello to the honest man.
---
I will, next time I run into him. Or does self delusion not count against honesty? <

I've not only been completely forthright here, but it turns out that
I've been vindicated to boot. I can understand your unwillingness to acknowledge that given that you've preferred being adversarial in my
direction, but calling me a liar seriously undermines your snooty
pretense of being 'above it all'.
---
Well, since I didn't call you a liar, just self delusional, based on the evidence that you've presented so far, How does that fit your self-justification for the myriad filters you're applying to the messages here?
I suggest a little experiment. Instead of expecting adversarial interactions here, (expectations decrease joy) how about doing a little thought
experiment and turning the filter around and reading things here as if no
one is adversarial to you at all? It may not be the truth., but the altered perspective might go a long way toward understanding.
And I don't find it the least bit surprising that the suggestion that your post didn't get through resulted in you holding the premise that it was
enemy action while the counter proposals were ones that excluded it. The conversation (or if you prefer, argument in either its true meaning or the more common one used in social situations) was to present other reasons why your post didn't get through, not to present the entire lis

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:49:08 -0500, Matthew Vincent wrote

(in article <0dad68d6-3d25-4e9a-afc6-1d40dfae817d@googlegroups.com>):

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:31:36 AM UTC+13, Amy Guskin wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:31:09 -0500, news wrote

=20
(in article <fFfos.16003$h94.12732@newsfe02.iad>):
=20

Hi Amy,

=20

=20

=20

Glad to see you back. Did your medical situation resolve itself? <<

=20
Hi, Mike =8B=A0thanks for asking. Yes and no: after two months on the =

pic line,=20

the infection is well and truly gone, but my arm is a *mess*, and whil=

e the=20

pain that prompted this revision surgery is gone, the arms works *wors= e*=20
than=20
before, which is a little depressing. But it's all good: I could have = bled=20
out on the table, so I consider myself ahead of the game by being aliv= e!=20

=20
Ouch Amy, you poor thing. Thank you for the update. I hope you make a f=

ull=20

recovery in time. I'll be sure to send you healing energy. Nice to have=

you=20

back with us. <<

Thanks so much, Matthew =8B=A0it really was a tough year! (Except for Pa= ris,=20
naturally!)

Amy

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:13:02 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <33c3811f-4094-42e2-99de-a0137f23a17e@3g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 15, 6:23=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:01:17 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

=20
(in article
<4dda15d7-c22e-48f8-8f5c-69a91e210...@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>):
=20
=20
=20

Call it what you will, but what I found interesting about it was that
she acknowledged a specific post which didn't show up as being her
fault, as though she had seen it.<<

=20
Duh! =A0At that point, I had read a handful of messages talking about =

it. =A0How

does saying "your Claudia post" signify that I had seen it? =A0All I h=

ad seen

was your post(s) talking about how it hadn't appeared yet!
=20

=20
Then why were you accepting blame for it not having appeared? We're
talking about a post from back during the summer. <<

Because I hadn't been moderating for *months*. "Months," which does inclu= de=20
late June, July, August, and early September, which qualify as summer her=
e in=20
the northern hemisphere. And incidentally, this is the first I'm hearing=
=20
that it was summer. In the handful of posts I read, all I saw was complai= nts=20
about a post about Claudia that hadn't appeared. Didn't know *when* you w= ere=20
talking about, but it didn't *matter*. Why is this so hard to understand?=
I=20
know I've already said repeatedly on this thread that I was lax, I was=20 shirking my duties because there never seemed to be any messages when I=20 checked here, plus I was physically unable part of the time (either from=20 being in the hospital or being on another continent) to moderate. So any=20 posts that haven't shown up *this year* would pretty much be my fault. I=20 don't think it was crazy =8B=A0or suspicious! =8B for me to naturally ass=
ume you=20
were talking about something in the current year!

And allow me to quote you:

=20
"Ha! It is so funny to come back here after all this time and see what
is going on. StarFury, first of all, you can lay the blame square with
me on your Claudia post not getting through."
=20
Now, if there are various system quirks that might stand to prevent a
post from making it through to this board, as has been claimed, how do
you know the post about her not showing up was attributable to you
directly rather than one of those supposed technical problems that potentially exist? <<

You are seriously kidding, right? I suppose it *could* have been a techni= cal=20
reason, but my first assumption would not be to blame somebody =8B=A0or s= omething=20
=8B=A0else. Especially since I hadn't been doing my job for months.

And again, it's a post from months ago -- did you see it still stuck

in the queue after all this time? Why accept blame if you didn't-- couldn't--know whether you were actually at fault? <<

Nope, it isn't in the queue. When I was reading those first messages and=20 replying to you, I hadn't moderated yet. And after I did, honestly, I jus=
t=20
didn't think about it =8B=A0I was more concerned with assuring you that n= obody is=20
dumping your posts, which they aren't. So the post *never* appeared? Wha=
t=20
was it about =8B=A0the release of Claudia's book?

So *what*? They probably didn't suggest that because I've made a poin=

t over

the years of saying that I moderate several times a day, every day, wh= ich=20
was
true up until Feb. 2 of this year when I went in for my shoulder
reconstruction, and then got lax/lazy. It *still* doesn't mean anyone =

is

purposefully looking for *your* messages and dumping them.

=20
"Purposely looking"? I see it as more casual and cavalier than that
frankly. "Oh, there he is again." :::Dump::: <<

I don't think that's even possible. As I've said repeatedly on this threa= d,=20
when we reject a post, the bounce generates an email that goes to you,=20 telling you why we rejected the post. If there *is* a way of dumping a p= ost=20
without generating a reason, I do not know it. And since I have been nea= rly=20
solely moderating for a good long time, your theory falls down because *I=
do=20
not know how to dump a post, if such a thing is even possible*.

no one is that interested in you or your

posts.

=20
One doesn't have to be particularly interested in me or my posts to be spiteful just for the sake of it. <<

Yes, they do. Because if someone just enjoyed dumping posts =8B=A0which, = again, I=20
don't think is possible =8B=A0why are you seemingly the only person suffe= ring=20
this fate? Everyone else who has had posts lost =8B=A0me included =8B=A0j=
ust sends=20
them again and chalks it up to quirks in the system. People who have had=20 repeated problems usually confer with Jay, and sometimes it's found to be=
a=20
problem with their ISP. Dunno. I don't handle the technical stuff. That'=
s=20
not the kind of programming I do. But I *do* know that you have to have a=
=20
pretty inflated opinion of yourself to think that you're getting all of t= his=20
special attention from moderators who *barely have time to moderate*, muc=
h=20
less play a stupid game with someone who only posts extremely sporadicall=
y.

As someone pointed out earlier up the thread, if

we bounce something it *automatically generates a reason and emails it=

to

you.* Automatically. So you'd know if you were bounced, assuming you c=

an

receiving email from the modbot (which I think you have to in order to=

be

registered in the newsgroup).

=20
Thank yourselves for my having pulled the plug on that year's ago --
and posts not appearing with no such notifications predated my having
changed my mail settings. <<

Can't parse the first part =8B pulled the plug on *what*? and there is no=
=20
apostrophe in "years ago" =8B and the second part, you're out of my pay g= rade.=20
I have no idea how this all works behind the matrix.

She owed me an apology five years ago --at least one, and I never got=

it.

=20

=20
No idea. I remember Mac Breck being ticked off at me for something I s=

aid

about the book series, but I have no clue / no memory of this.
=20

=20
So you say, but I'm inclined to doubt that. Even if out of simple
curiosity than nothing else, refreshing your memory wouldn't be all
that difficult. <<

Sorry, dude, no idea =8B=A0and I even spent about ten minutes yesterday s= earching=20
around in the archives, but couldn't find any conversations between you a=
nd I=20
in that time period, and got bored and gave up.

I don't suppose you will ever believe it, but you are *not* being targete= d,=20
and if posts are going missing, it's a technical problem. If you still wa= nt=20
to post about Claudia, I'd suggest trying again, or if you like, email me=
the=20
content of your post and I will post it myself, indicating clearly that i=
t is=20
*your* post.

Amy

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:22:05 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <c8f1f969-bc45-4598-8f0a-1abe44acb087@v3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 15, 6:33=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

=20
But instead it turned out that it was just me not being together enoug=

h to

moderate for an extended period of time. So, not "actually correct";=20
instead,
actually incorrect.
=20

=20
It still comes down to a moderator not doing their assigned duty
regardless. <<

But that's not what you repeatedly claim is the reason. You repeatedly cl= aim=20
that you are being targeted, that some shadow moderator is somehow dumpin=
g=20
your posts. But, as I pointed out above, that is not what happened. If a = post=20
didn't show up this year, in the past few months, before I came back to t= he=20
newsgroup a couple of days ago, it's likely because I wasn't doing my job=
.=20
That is NOT the same as deliberate sabotage.

If, however, the post *never* showed up, not even after I came back, I'm=20 guessing it is whatever technical problem you are repeatedly having, poss= ibly=20
something to do with your ISP.

Has anyone else out there had posts go completely missing this year? I'm=20 curious. And, obviously, if so, I'll want to mention it to Jay.

Amy

--=20
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"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message news:0001HW.CCCBBB6504E19C52B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...
Has anyone else out there had posts go completely missing this year? I'm curious. And, obviously, if so, I'll want to mention it to Jay.
---
Yes. It was a post relating to Walter Koenig's comments about the show -- I forget the exact thing he said, but I remember it was a forward of a link
from Sci-Fi Wire about the comment. A later post came through from someone else about it, so I didn't worry too much about it. And I didn't get a
reject message, either.
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:53:57 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k85r7e$aq6$1@news.albasani.net>):

"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message news:0001HW.CCCBBB6504E19C52B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...
Has anyone else out there had posts go completely missing this year? I'm curious. And, obviously, if so, I'll want to mention it to Jay.
---
Yes. It was a post relating to Walter Koenig's comments about the show -- I forget the exact thing he said, but I remember it was a forward of a link from Sci-Fi Wire about the comment. A later post came through from someone else about it, so I didn't worry too much about it. And I didn't get a reject message, either. <<

Thanks, Nicole. I will poke around a bit myself, and mention it to Jay.

Amy

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On Nov 16, 8:20=A0am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
Well, since I didn't call you a liar, just self delusional,

Now who's being dishonest?

You implied both, neither which are at all flattering obviously, so
I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest of your reply.
I'm really not in the mood.
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On Nov 16, 9:40=C2=A0am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

Because I hadn't been moderating for *months*. "Months," which does inclu=

de

late June, July, August, and early September, which qualify as summer her=

e in

the northern hemisphere.

That qualifies as a Duh! Amy. I did say it was during the summer,
which apparently we're agreed upon as to when that occurs here in the
northern hemisphere.

And incidentally, this is the first I'm hearing
that it was summer. In the handful of posts I read, all I saw was complai=

nts

about a post about Claudia that hadn't appeared. Didn't know *when* you w=

ere

talking about, but it didn't *matter*. Why is this so hard to understand?

The time frame as to when the message was posted has been referenced
several times here in this thread.

I know I've already said repeatedly on this thread that I was lax, I was shirking my duties because there never seemed to be any messages when I checked here,

Okay, whatever --you weren't/couldn't do your job, either because you physically weren't up to it, were unable, or just didn't feel like it.
Fine. Got it.

Nope, it isn't in the queue. When I was reading those first messages and replying to you, I hadn't moderated yet. And after I did, honestly, I jus=

t

didn't think about it =E2=80=B9=C2=A0I was more concerned with assuring y=

ou that nobody is

dumping your posts, which they aren't. =C2=A0So the post *never* appeared=

? What

was it about =E2=80=B9=C2=A0the release of Claudia's book?

Yes, she handed out a several-page summary at to attendees at Comic
Con on the West Coast concerning some of the things the book would
cover.

"Purposely looking"? I see it as more casual and cavalier than that frankly. "Oh, there he is again." :::Dump::: <<

I don't think that's even possible. As I've said repeatedly on this threa=

d,

when we reject a post, the bounce generates an email that goes to you, telling you why we rejected the post. =C2=A0If there *is* a way of dumpin=

g a post

without generating a reason, I do not know it.

I've never believed you to blame in that regard anyway.

One doesn't have to be particularly interested in me or my posts to be =

spiteful just for the sake of it. <<

Yes, they do. Because if someone just enjoyed dumping posts which, again,=

I don't think is possible =E2=80=B9=C2=A0why are you seemingly the only pe= rson suffering this fate? <

I don't know that I am.

Everyone else who has had posts lost =E2=80=B9=C2=A0me included =E2=80=B9=

=C2=A0just sends them again and chalks it up to quirks in the system. <

Pretty hard to do if you haven't saved the text before clicking on
submit.

People who have had
repeated problems usually confer with Jay <

I went through my share of that in years past --lost cause.

and sometimes it's found to be a
problem with their ISP. Dunno. I don't =C2=A0handle the technical stuff. =

That's

not the kind of programming I do. But I *do* know that you have to have a pretty inflated opinion of yourself to think that you're getting all of t=

his

special attention from moderators who *barely have time to moderate*, muc=

h

less play a stupid game with someone who only posts extremely sporadicall=

y.

I would think that if anything that would only make it easier for
someone paying attention, and it also has the benefit of serving as a
source of discouragement concerning future posting for the person
attempting to get his message through.

As someone pointed out earlier up the thread, if

we bounce something it *automatically generates a reason and emails it=

to

you.* Automatically. So you'd know if you were bounced, assuming you c=

an

receiving email from the modbot (which I think you have to in order to=

be

registered in the newsgroup).

Thank yourselves for my having pulled the plug on that year's ago -- an=

d posts not appearing with no such notifications predated my having changed=
my mail settings. <

Can't parse the first part =E2=80=B9 pulled the plug on *what*?

Receiving system notifications from the newsgroup, including those
that might be sent by a moderator.

and there is no
apostrophe in "years ago" =E2=80=B9

You're going to nitpick a clumsy keystroke?

:::Sigh:::

She owed me an apology five years ago --at least one, and I never got=

it.

Sorry, dude, no idea =E2=80=B9=C2=A0and I even spent about ten minutes ye=

sterday searching around in the archives, but couldn't find any conversatio=
ns between you and I in that time period, and got bored and gave up. <

LMAO - even if your memory is that poor, it's there, and while finding
it would probably require reading through a significant number of
posts, the general location shouldn't be at all difficult to find.

I don't suppose you will ever believe it, but you are *not* being targete=

d,

and if posts are going missing, it's a technical problem. If you still wa=

nt

to post about Claudia, I'd suggest trying again

Four months later or so?

No thanks ...it's certainly not worthy the bother after all this time.
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On Nov 16, 9:44=A0am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

If, however, the post *never* showed up, not even after I came back, I'm guessing it is whatever technical problem you are repeatedly having, poss=

ibly

something to do with your ISP.

Has anyone else out there had posts go completely missing this year? I'm curious. And, obviously, if so, I'll want to mention it to Jay.

Amy

I thought no one is posting here anymore?

And I've made clear repeatedly that this is something has spanned many
years and many different ISPs and services.
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On Nov 16, 3:10=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:53:57 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k85r7e$aq...@news.albasani.net>):

"Amy Guskin" <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.CCCBBB6504E19C52B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...
Has anyone else out there had posts go completely missing this year? I'=

m

curious. And, obviously, if so, I'll want to mention it to Jay.
---
Yes. It was a post relating to Walter Koenig's comments about the show =

-- I

forget the exact thing he said, but I remember it was a forward of a li=

nk

from Sci-Fi Wire about the comment. A later post came through from some=

one

else about it, so I didn't worry too much about it. And I didn't get a reject message, either. =A0<<

Thanks, Nicole. I will poke around a bit myself, and mention it to Jay.

Amy

--
Diligent Moderatrix

And while you're at it you might also want to mention to him that the
Sci-Fi Wire went of existence years ago.
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Apologies for the sloppy grammatical and typographical gaffes in those
last few posts. I should have looked them over before sending them
through, but posting from my Android device can be a real headache,
and I'm running short on patience today.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:7865a561-9d32-482e-a528-5b7c31b0cace@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 8:20 am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
Well, since I didn't call you a liar, just self delusional,

Now who's being dishonest?

You implied both, neither which are at all flattering obviously, so
I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest of your reply.
I'm really not in the mood.
---
What implications you take from my messages are your filters and tapes, and may bear no actual connection with what I actually said.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:f8b0b465-ffb8-4360-9617-c4da89b2ec7c@h15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 3:10 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:53:57 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k85r7e$aq...@news.albasani.net>):

"Amy Guskin" <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.CCCBBB6504E19C52B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...
Has anyone else out there had posts go completely missing this year? I'm curious. And, obviously, if so, I'll want to mention it to Jay.
---
Yes. It was a post relating to Walter Koenig's comments about the
show -- I
forget the exact thing he said, but I remember it was a forward of a
link
from Sci-Fi Wire about the comment. A later post came through from
someone
else about it, so I didn't worry too much about it. And I didn't get a reject message, either. <<

Thanks, Nicole. I will poke around a bit myself, and mention it to Jay.

Amy

--
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And while you're at it you might also want to mention to him that the
Sci-Fi Wire went of existence years ago.
---
It still comes through in their RSS feed with the label, though it's at
their Blaster address. So it's still around.
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:30:54 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <9ffcde4b-ccda-4c75-b81d-d93732dfb731@m4g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 16, 9:40=C2=A0am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

=20

=20

=20
=A0So the post *never* appeared? What
was it about =E2=80=B9=C2=A0the release of Claudia's book?

=20
Yes, she handed out a several-page summary at to attendees at Comic
Con on the West Coast concerning some of the things the book would
cover. <<

Okay, and with this, I hope we will be able to agree that it makes NO sen= se=20
for someone to have dumped your post. Everyone here likes Claudia, I'm=20 absolutely certain that no one with moderator capabilities would have any=
=20
reason to want to deny her publicity for her upcoming book, thus cutting = into=20
her sales, even if the level of emotion towards you was of a "we hate you=
=20
with the fire of a hundred thousand suns" variety. Don't you agree?

Everyone else who has had posts lost =E2=80=B9=C2=A0me included =E2=80= =B9=C2=A0just sends them=20

again and chalks it up to quirks in the system. <

=20
Pretty hard to do if you haven't saved the text before clicking on
submit. <<

You don't have any kind of outqueue in your newsreader client? I would=20 humbly suggest looking into something else, like Hogwasher. I can't tell = you=20
how many times that outbox has bailed me out when a post has gone missing=
!

and sometimes it's found to be a

problem with their ISP. Dunno. I don't =C2=A0handle the technical stuf=

f. That's

not the kind of programming I do. But I *do* know that you have to hav=

e a

pretty inflated opinion of yourself to think that you're getting all o=

f this

special attention from moderators who *barely have time to moderate*, =

much

less play a stupid game with someone who only posts extremely sporadic= ally.

=20
I would think that if anything that would only make it easier for
someone paying attention, and it also has the benefit of serving as a
source of discouragement concerning future posting for the person
attempting to get his message through. <<

Okay, all sarcastic quippery aside, I want to you to really *hear* what I=
am=20
saying, and be confident that it is meant seriously, with not a jot of=20 underlying derision, saracasm, or anything else of which I've been accuse= d:=20
why now? With almost nothing going on in this newsgroup, why would any=20 moderator have an interest in actively discouraging anyone from posting?=20 Maybe, possibly, when this newsgroup was alive and kicking, I could=20 conceivably allow the notion of some shadow moderator not wanting things = to=20
be stirred up here, and to discourage said stirrer-upper from posting in = the=20
future. But with about three people posting and reading...who *cares* if=
=20
someone is slightly annoying? He is only annoying those three people, rig= ht?=20
So why would anyone care to thwart you *now*, when the newsgroup is very=20 close to pining for the fjords? Who would *need* to thwart you from posti= ng=20
in the future? *What* future (as far as the relative health of this ng i=
s=20
concerned)?

(No disrespect to the handful of people still keeping the home fires burn= ing=20
here, and obviously there are more than three, but I meant that as a=20 metaphor.)

Sorry, dude, no idea =E2=80=B9=C2=A0and I even spent about ten minut=

es yesterday=20

searching around in the archives, but couldn't find any conversations=20
between you and I in that time period, and got bored and gave up. <

=20
LMAO - even if your memory is that poor, it's there, and while finding
it would probably require reading through a significant number of
posts, the general location shouldn't be at all difficult to find. <<

Sorry, I didn't find it. I wouldn't say that my memory is poor; more that=
I=20
don't make a special effort to retain unimportant things. And, for the=20 record: I am *not* saying that sarcastically, or as a dig at you. Honestl= y,=20
discussions on the internet about a tv show are *not* that important in t= he=20
grand scheme of things, whether they were great discussions, personal=20 responses from JMS, or arguments.

I don't suppose you will ever believe it, but you are *not* being tar= geted,

and if posts are going missing, it's a technical problem. If you still=

want

to post about Claudia, I'd suggest trying again

=20
Four months later or so?
=20
No thanks ...it's certainly not worthy the bother after all this time. =

<<

If you had an opinion about some of the content in the teaser, it is like= ly=20
still relevant, since the book is now available in its full version. In=20 fact, I think a thread on the book itself would be kind of interesting, a= nd=20
something to make it worthwhile for those three people to keep coming aro= und=20
here. :-)

And I can promise you that it'll appear quickly, since I am back moderati= ng=20
regularly. And if it *doesn't* appear, that might tell us something about=
=20
what is going wrong with your posts.

Amy

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:34:42 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <69a00f3f-b0f0-4b4d-96be-5b2ff1d9f0f8@m4g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 16, 9:44=A0am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

=20
If, however, the post *never* showed up, not even after I came back, I=

'm

guessing it is whatever technical problem you are repeatedly having,=20
possibly
something to do with your ISP.
=20
Has anyone else out there had posts go completely missing this year? I=

'm

curious. And, obviously, if so, I'll want to mention it to Jay.
=20
Amy
=20

=20
I thought no one is posting here anymore? <<

I have been popping in occasionally and haven't seen any, which could mea=
n=20
that Cheryl or Jay was moderating and keeping the queue clear, OR, that p= osts=20
are going missing. Which is why I asked. The lack of posts is evidence of=
=20
*several* possibilities; which of these is occurring, I cannot know unles=
s I=20
investigate.

And I've made clear repeatedly that this is something has spanned many

years and many different ISPs and services. <<

Yeah, but more than one ISP can have the same problem! Especially with=20 newsgroups. As the years have advanced, fewer and fewer ISPs support=20 newsgroups, which makes the possibility of problems *worse*. I had to get=
an=20
eternal-september account when Verizon dumped Usenet; I'm sure lots of ot= her=20
ISPs just quietly dumped newsgroups without making the public fuss about = it=20
that Verizon did.

Amy

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:39:11 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <f8b0b465-ffb8-4360-9617-c4da89b2ec7c@h15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 16, 3:10=A0pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:53:57 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

=20
=20
Thanks, Nicole. I will poke around a bit myself, and mention it to Jay=

.

=20
Amy
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And while you're at it you might also want to mention to him that the
Sci-Fi Wire went of existence years ago. <<

Ha. I gotta say, I still call it that sometimes, too. Old habits die hard=
.

Amy



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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:51:33 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article <934801d3-07bd-4899-9040-e96d6dd2d9fa@h15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):

Apologies for the sloppy grammatical and typographical gaffes in those
last few posts. I should have looked them over before sending them
through, but posting from my Android device can be a real headache,
and I'm running short on patience today. <<

And I've got to apologize, too, for nitpicking that typo. You had me on a short fuse, and I knew it was petty when I did it, but I was powerless to resist the impulse. Sorry. I've been known to let those kinds of things through, too, particularly when posting from my iPad. Goddamn auto correct...

Amy
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"Amy Guskin" wrote in message news:0001HW.CCCD167B0532F614B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

<snip>

And I can promise you that it'll appear quickly, since I am back moderating >regularly. And if it *doesn't* appear, that might tell us something about >what is going wrong with your posts.

Please note that Amy's reported problems with Verizon internet access on her facebook homepage, which will likely be fixed Monday.
So there could be a delay in moderation until Monday.

Dennis
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Jan wrote:

StarFuryG7 wrote:

Are you the only moderator here?

YES, for all intents and purposes she is.

Thank you Amy. Plus all of the other mods over they years. RASTB5.mod
is the shining example of success in moderated newsgroups. Not "a"
shining example but "the" shining example. More than just being abuot
the best TV show ever so the content rules, the longevity of the
moderation team is beyond the kenn of mortal man.

I'm on several moderation teams and have been involved in more. A
couple have been decommisioned for lack of traffic so for them I'm just
a signpost on the street. A couple I'm not sure if other moderators are active. Only on one do I know the other members are active. Moderation
is a job that never ends and that rarely pays anything but complaints.

Not B5 related -

Star Wars - The Clone Wars on the Toon channel is amazingly good. A new
season has started. I like the newer Doctor Who series but only follow
it inconsistantly.

I still read SF related material (mostly audiobooks some kindle so
mostly listen) but I have not follwed recently SF related series. Since Jericho ended I've followed very little SF on the air. I do go to see
them all at the movies. Good, bad, and the ones that are only remotely
related to SF like Bond and Mission Impossible series.

In a couple of weeks fathomevents.com hosts a ST-TNG event. I've been
to some other events by them. Opera, when ST-TOS high def came out. In
the case of the ST events they are in the cinema so I go. No idea why
it worked out like that for me.
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:44:21 -0500, Doug Freyburger wrote

(in article <k8dnl5$qgh$1@dont-email.me>):

Jan wrote:

StarFuryG7 wrote:

Are you the only moderator here?

YES, for all intents and purposes she is.

Thank you Amy. Plus all of the other mods over they years. RASTB5.mod
is the shining example of success in moderated newsgroups. Not "a"
shining example but "the" shining example. More than just being abuot
the best TV show ever so the content rules, the longevity of the
moderation team is beyond the kenn of mortal man. <<

Thanks for the kind words, Doug.

Amy

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In article <bd6de$509b1c3a$cf62c293$13048@KNOLOGY.NET>,
Dennis \(Icarus\) <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:

Since this is an existing thread, and I doubt any of us are on >hand-moderation, the moderators aren't approving the messages.

I thought I put him on hand moderation after the last exchange. I'll
fix it.

Jay
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On Friday, November 23, 2012 2:04:25 PM UTC-5, Jay Denebeim wrote:

I thought I put him on hand moderation after the last exchange. I'll

fix it.

I don't see why you would do that. He's hasn't really done anything wrong except be slightly paranoid. Why give him ammunition for said paranoia?

Jan
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In article <6b824bc8-0cd8-4355-b4de-d8c6ec8de960@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, StarFuryG7 <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote:

It's irrelevant. The point was that just because he says he's
'retired' (yes, "single quotes'), he still retains the same ability to
do everything he used to do as an active moderator.

Of course I do, it's my software, my server, my domain, still. Just
because I don't moderate very often anymore doesn't mean that I'm not
a moderator. Heck 90% of the moderation over the entire life of the
newsgroup has been me, Cheryl, or Amy, exactly the same people who can
moderate today.

Might be a bit more work now that Mr Fury here is hand moderated. I
don't think he's using a real e-mail address here, so any bounces that
happen he's not gonna see.

Jay



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In article <53ba5131-4704-41a6-92d1-23bd7196328b@googlegroups.com>,
Jan <janmschroeder@aol.com> wrote:

I don't see why you would do that. He's hasn't really done anything
wrong except be slightly paranoid. Why give him ammunition for said >paranoia?

Because he's demonstrated an inability to let things slide. Since Amy
is moderating about once a day here this will have the effect of
slowing down his rate a bit. It will stop this interminable thread,
and it's basically what the newsgroup was formed to do in the first
place. (I realize you've been here since day 1 Jan)

Jay
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In article <k8oi07$7p4$3@dent.deepthot>,
Jay Denebeim <denebeim@deepthot.org> wrote:

Might be a bit more work now that Mr Fury here is hand moderated. I
don't think he's using a real e-mail address here, so any bounces that
happen he's not gonna see.

Turns out I was wrong, I just sent him an e-mail talking about this
stuff and it got delivered. So it is indeed a real e-mail address.

Jay
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In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16cd56@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, StarFuryG7 <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14ápm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main
characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though
he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person can
do really well. Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Jay
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"Jay Denebeim" <denebeim@deepthot.org> wrote in message news:k8ojgf$7p4$6@dent.deepthot...

In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16cd56@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, StarFuryG7 <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main >>characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though
he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person can
do really well. Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Actually, Netware before 4x was a bit of a pain, from what I've heard. I'm running a 2003 server right now, and have been runing NT based servers since before I lost my sight, (totally unrelated to the blindness) and so it
hasn't been a problem. I'm also managing, mostly, to function as the
publisher and EIC for a free RPG magazine, though when change tracking is on and the changes get three or four levels deep it gets to be a bit much to follow.
I also do music work with a sequencer both with DOS and in a Windows environment, and they're completely different beasts -- the screen reader
for DOS has a lot more learning curve than the Windows version, though I suspect it's more clear and has less headaches down the line than the
windows versions.
The big issue is pulling things into controllable environments -- newsgroups and mailing lists trump fora, for example, because you can control the mail and news reader to your own preferences while forum software is usually most functional for sighted folks and has fundamental headaches for the blind.
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On Nov 23, 2:41=A0pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16c...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups=

.com>,

StarFuryG7 =A0<StarFur...@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main >characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though
he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. =A0Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person can
do really well. =A0Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Back in the old days, IBM mainframe provisions for blind users were off-the-shelf options, such as braille adaptors for standard printers.

But modern GUI frameworks do a pretty good job; text-to-speech is
standard on Mac OS X (and iOS, too), and if Windows doesn't have it,
well, shame on them. Of course, an individual app developer can screw
it up, but most government departments would never pass software that
did that.
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"John W. Kennedy" <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e7580527-9c08-4243-8b2c-383ada2e8c2c@l12g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 23, 2:41 pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16c...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,

StarFuryG7 <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main >characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though
he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person can
do really well. Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Back in the old days, IBM mainframe provisions for blind users were off-the-shelf options, such as braille adaptors for standard printers.

But modern GUI frameworks do a pretty good job; text-to-speech is
standard on Mac OS X (and iOS, too), and if Windows doesn't have it,
well, shame on them. Of course, an individual app developer can screw
it up, but most government departments would never pass software that
did that.
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Yes, screen readers are add-ons for Windows, save for the almost non-functional Nararator, but it's not Microsoft's fault for that.
Back in Windows 2000 days they wanted to include a screen reader in Windows. (This was during the time Apple was leaving blind folks high and dry,
because they eliminated Outspoken with OSX, and didn't add Voiceover until OSX.5 much later) They wre working with Freedom Scientific and GW Micro to
get this done right, and then the National Federation for the Blind stepped
in and said that if Microsoft continued on this cours they were going to
file suit for some crazy reason and Microsoft backed away from the project, providing only the rudimentary Nararator. I've heard Nararator has been
beefed up in Windows 8, but I'm still waiting for word on that -- I know of
no blind folks who are using 8 yet.
The NFB is a problem sometimes for blind folks. They contend that blindness isn't a handicap, society's approach to it is what gives blind folks
trouble. T

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:21 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8t8js$mkj$1@news.albasani.net>):

The NFB is a problem sometimes for blind folks. They contend that blindness isn't a handicap, society's approach to it is what gives blind folks trouble. They're anti-guide dog, instead preferring blind folks to use a long "glide" cane that doesn't contact the ground, and they're also against talking elevators and chirp signals on traffic lights. <<

Well, that is extremely interesting and curious. Nicole, I am curious what your position is on all of that?

Amy



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"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message news:0001HW.CCD823C6074D0F57B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:21 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8t8js$mkj$1@news.albasani.net>):

The NFB is a problem sometimes for blind folks. They contend that
blindness
isn't a handicap, society's approach to it is what gives blind folks
trouble. They're anti-guide dog, instead preferring blind folks to use a
long "glide" cane that doesn't contact the ground, and they're also
against
talking elevators and chirp signals on traffic lights. <<

Well, that is extremely interesting and curious. Nicole, I am curious what your position is on all of that?

I find the position that blindness isn't a handicap to be one that might be useful in getting political support, but not of much use actually helping those who are blind. A glide cane can't, for instance, detect potholes in
any way I can fathom, whereas my guide dog just takes me around them. (And
he has an uncanny ability to find elevators, too) I don't like having to insist that I'm at the front of the elevator car so I can reach out and feel the number of the floor I'm on, and though I don't mind asking which floor we're on at the moment, it's easier when something talks to me. And I'm neutral on the traffic signals -- unless everyone is driving a Priius or
other silent car, I can hear the rush of traffic and know when to cross and when not to. And once again, the guide beast also helps in that regard.
So, no, I'm not a member of the NFB, nor do I plan to be. My values are more in keeping with the American Council of the Blind, though I'm a bit
frustrated that these two organization were so busy fighting with each other during the talks for the ADA that the mobility folks managed to get broad applications of what are commonly known as "wheelchair ramps of death" by blind folks. (Curbs are superior for blind people over ramps because they signal the end of a sidewalk and the beginning of a more dangerous street -- ramps with bumps, sometimes jokingly called "Acne Ramps" or "measles ramps" are better than nude ramps but not as good as curbs)
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:38:50 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8uoct$imc$1@news.albasani.net>):

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:21 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8t8js$mkj$1@news.albasani.net>):
=20

The NFB is a problem sometimes for blind folks. They contend that=20
blindness
isn't a handicap, society's approach to it is what gives blind folks
trouble. They're anti-guide dog, instead preferring blind folks to us=

e a

long "glide" cane that doesn't contact the ground, and they're also=20
against
talking elevators and chirp signals on traffic lights. <<

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Well, that is extremely interesting and curious. Nicole, I am curious =

what

your position is on all of that?

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I find the position that blindness isn't a handicap to be one that migh=

t be=20

useful in getting political support, but not of much use actually helpi=

ng=20

those who are blind.<<

That's really unfortunate. I wonder why they would be so positional if it=
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actually fails to help most of the community they aim to represent?

And I'm=20

neutral on the traffic signals -- unless everyone is driving a Prius <<

Guilty! I am quite careful when I see *anyone* crossing anywhere near me=
,=20
because it really is completely silent.

My values are more=20

in keeping with the American Council of the Blind, though I'm a bit=20 frustrated that these two organization were so busy fighting with each =

other=20

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ad=20

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blind folks. (Curbs are superior for blind people over ramps because th=

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et -- =20

ramps with bumps, sometimes jokingly called "Acne Ramps" or "measles ra=

mps"=20

are better than nude ramps but not as good as curbs) <<

I don't think I've ever seen a ramp with bumps =8B=A0will keep an eye out=
for=20
them. And, what you say about the curb signalling the start of the street=
=20
makes complete sense! I had no idea there was so much division in the bli= nd=20
community. I guess it's like any other insular community =8B a theatre tr= oupe,=20
a family, a newsgroup =8B familiarity ultimately breeds dissent!

Amy


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"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message news:0001HW.CCD901580780FE19B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:38:50 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8uoct$imc$1@news.albasani.net>):

"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message news:0001HW.CCD823C6074D0F57B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:21 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8t8js$mkj$1@news.albasani.net>):

The NFB is a problem sometimes for blind folks. They contend that
blindness
isn't a handicap, society's approach to it is what gives blind folks
trouble. They're anti-guide dog, instead preferring blind folks to use a >>> long "glide" cane that doesn't contact the ground, and they're also
against
talking elevators and chirp signals on traffic lights. <<

Well, that is extremely interesting and curious. Nicole, I am curious
what
your position is on all of that?

I find the position that blindness isn't a handicap to be one that might
be
useful in getting political support, but not of much use actually helping those who are blind.<<

That's really unfortunate. I wonder why they would be so positional if it actually fails to help most of the community they aim to represent?

And I'm

neutral on the traffic signals -- unless everyone is driving a Prius <<

Guilty! I am quite careful when I see *anyone* crossing anywhere near me, because it really is completely silent.

My values are more

in keeping with the American Council of the Blind, though I'm a bit frustrated that these two organization were so busy fighting with each
other
during the talks for the ADA that the mobility folks managed to get broad applications of what are commonly known as "wheelchair ramps of death" by blind folks. (Curbs are superior for blind people over ramps because they signal the end of a sidewalk and the beginning of a more dangerous
street --

ramps with bumps, sometimes jokingly called "Acne Ramps" or "measles
ramps"
are better than nude ramps but not as good as curbs) <<

I don't think I've ever seen a ramp with bumps ï will keep an eye out for
them. And, what you say about the curb signalling the start of the street
makes complete sense! I had no idea there was so much division in the blind community. I guess it's like any other insular community ï a theatre troupe,
a family, a newsgroup ï familiarity ultimately breeds dissent!
---
My personal take on the NFB's position is that it's one they can use to get more political clout.
There's even more dissent in the deaf community on the implant divide. But yeah, the blind community breaks among several lines -- ACB/NFB, Congenital/later onset, etc.
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Nicole Massey wrote:

There's even more dissent in the deaf community on the implant divide.

That's true in the UK as well. My wife, who worked for many years with deaf people, is well acquainted with the community she terms the 'militant Deaf', and the friction between those who regard implants as the Spawn of the
Hearing and those who look on them as the salvation of the deaf.

And over here the RNID (the Royal National Institute for Deaf People) has
been termed Really Not Interested in the Deaf.

But I think I've just veered seriously off topic...

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"Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> wrote in message news:OMNss.601351$vW7.258352@fx19.am4...

Nicole Massey wrote:

There's even more dissent in the deaf community on the implant divide.

That's true in the UK as well. My wife, who worked for many years with
deaf people, is well acquainted with the community she terms the 'militant Deaf', and the friction between those who regard implants as the Spawn of the Hearing and those who look on them as the salvation of the deaf.

And over here the RNID (the Royal National Institute for Deaf People) has been termed Really Not Interested in the Deaf.

But I think I've just veered seriously off topic...

What is off topic around there these days, save story ideas and trolling?

I've heard some interesting reassignments for the initials NFB among the
blind community, too -- Network of Fundamentalist Buttholes was an interesting use of the three letters, while at guid dog school one of my fellow students, who was conginetally blind, called them the (I've cleaned this up) National Fornicators of the Blind. "Nothing For the Blind" is also one I've heard more than once.
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On Nov 23, 2:04=A0pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <bd6de$509b1c3a$cf62c293$13...@KNOLOGY.NET>,

Dennis \(Icarus\) <ala_dir_di...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Since this is an existing thread, and I doubt any of us are on >hand-moderation, the moderators aren't approving the messages.

I thought I put him on hand moderation after the last exchange. =A0I'll
fix it.

Jay
--

Gee, what a surprise --I guess now I can experience the joy of
censorship, as though I've never experienced it here before now.

But thanks for clearing that up for them, and for me, given that you
"forgot", even though they were trying to use your 'forgetfulness' to
bolster their arguments.
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On Nov 23, 2:08=A0pm, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

On Friday, November 23, 2012 2:04:25 PM UTC-5, Jay Denebeim wrote:

I thought I put him on hand moderation after the last exchange. =A0I'll

fix it.

I don't see why you would do that. =A0He's hasn't really done anything wr=

ong except be slightly paranoid. =A0Why give him ammunition for said parano= ia?

Jan

Uh, Jan, you haven't been sitting in my shoes when it comes to this
newsgroup for the last fifteen years or so. However, thanks for
pointing out the obvious concerning my conduct here just the same, and
his reaction to apply (I'll be charitable) 'oversight' concerning what
it is I choose to say here. (Gee, maybe that did have something to do
with why so many people lost interest in this newsgroup through the
years come to think of it.)
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On Nov 23, 2:20=A0pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <53ba5131-4704-41a6-92d1-23bd7196328b@googlegroups.com>,

Jan =A0<janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:

I don't see why you would do that. =A0He's hasn't really done anything >wrong except be slightly paranoid. =A0Why give him ammunition for said >paranoia?

Because he's demonstrated an inability to let things slide.

That takes balls --especially after what you people pulled as a group
here back in 2007 in my direction.

Since Amy
is moderating about once a day here this will have the effect of
slowing down his rate a bit.

How typical --how long had it been since I posted last by the time you
posted this dribble?

You haven't even bothered to notice apparently.
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On Nov 23, 2:32=A0pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <k8oi07$7p...@dent.deepthot>,

Jay Denebeim <deneb...@deepthot.org> wrote:

Might be a bit more work now that Mr Fury here is hand moderated. =A0I >don't think he's using a real e-mail address here, so any bounces that >happen he's not gonna see.

Turns out I was wrong, I just sent him an e-mail talking about this
stuff and it got delivered. =A0So it is indeed a real e-mail address.

It's always entertaining to see someone quoting himself and then
responding to it as though it was a statement made by someone else,
especially when it's a moderator who's doing it.

And why would I use an invalid email address? I have also affirmed the
validity of my email address several times here in this thread when I
spoke about changing my mail preferences so as to not receive notices
from you or this newsgroup.

And for your own edification, I did NOT receive your email, as my old preference settings still stand and have not been changed recently.
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On Nov 23, 2:41=A0pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16c...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups=

.com>,

StarFuryG7 =A0<StarFur...@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main >characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though
he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. =A0Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person can
do really well. =A0Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Jay
--

That would be non-"sighted," Jay, not "non-sited".
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On Nov 24, 8:48=A0pm, "John W. Kennedy" <john.w.kenn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Nov 23, 2:41=A0pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16c...@b12g2000vbg.googlegrou=

ps.com>,

StarFuryG7 =A0<StarFur...@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main >characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though >he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. =A0Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person can
do really well. =A0Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Back in the old days, IBM mainframe provisions for blind users were off-the-shelf options, such as braille adaptors for standard printers.

But modern GUI frameworks do a pretty good job; text-to-speech is
standard on Mac OS X (and iOS, too), and if Windows doesn't have it,
well, shame on them. Of course, an individual app developer can screw
it up, but most government departments would never pass software that
did that.

What you people seem to be missing here, since none of you appear to
be viewers of the show I mentioned, is that the character I referenced
has to move fast, sometimes often, and that the lives of agents out n
the field depend on his getting things done as quickly as possible. It
seems to me that as a person who's blind, he's probably not the best
qualified for that kind of a position.
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On Nov 16, 7:37=A0pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

"StarFuryG7" <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote in message

news:7865a561-9d32-482e-a528-5b7c31b0cace@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 8:20 am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
Well, since I didn't call you a liar, just self delusional,

Now who's being dishonest?

You implied both, neither which are at all flattering obviously, so
I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest of your reply.
I'm really not in the mood.
---
What implications you take from my messages are your filters and tapes

Which was reasonably based on what precisely you had said and how you
chose to word it.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:5bfadb03-2cfa-4039-a09c-ee74b2f9181e@f17g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 24, 8:48 pm, "John W. Kennedy" <john.w.kenn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Nov 23, 2:41 pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16c...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,

StarFuryG7 <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main >characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even though >he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person can
do really well. Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Back in the old days, IBM mainframe provisions for blind users were off-the-shelf options, such as braille adaptors for standard printers.

But modern GUI frameworks do a pretty good job; text-to-speech is
standard on Mac OS X (and iOS, too), and if Windows doesn't have it,
well, shame on them. Of course, an individual app developer can screw
it up, but most government departments would never pass software that
did that.

What you people seem to be missing here, since none of you appear to
be viewers of the show I mentioned, is that the character I referenced
has to move fast, sometimes often, and that the lives of agents out n
the field depend on his getting things done as quickly as possible. It
seems to me that as a person who's blind, he's probably not the best
qualified for that kind of a position.
---
You'd be surprised how fast a blind person can move about and do things in
an environment in which he or she has control of the space. Of course I
can't comment on the show, as I've not heard of it, much less seen it or
more accurately listened to it.
But since you said nothing about needs for mobility in your first post, instead just commenting on the character being a computer whiz, we had no indication of any need to be able to move around, did we? Please put the goalposts back where you found them.
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"StarFuryG7" <StarFuryG7@aim.com> wrote in message news:2388fdf6-2ef9-48dc-866e-5d0164357c78@eo2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 7:37 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

"StarFuryG7" <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote in message

news:7865a561-9d32-482e-a528-5b7c31b0cace@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 8:20 am, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

---
Well, since I didn't call you a liar, just self delusional,

Now who's being dishonest?

You implied both, neither which are at all flattering obviously, so
I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest of your reply.
I'm really not in the mood.
---
What implications you take from my messages are your filters and tapes

Which was reasonably based on what precisely you had said and how you
chose to word it.
---
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:20:18 -0500, StarFuryG7 wrote

(in article=20 <48d52817-f85a-4125-95d7-c2e362cc8547@f17g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>):

On Nov 23, 2:32=A0pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <k8oi07$7p...@dent.deepthot>,
=20
Jay Denebeim <deneb...@deepthot.org> wrote:

Might be a bit more work now that Mr Fury here is hand moderated. =A0=

I

don't think he's using a real e-mail address here, so any bounces tha=

t

happen he's not gonna see.

=20
Turns out I was wrong, I just sent him an e-mail talking about this
stuff and it got delivered. =A0So it is indeed a real e-mail address.
=20

=20
It's always entertaining to see someone quoting himself and then
responding to it as though it was a statement made by someone else, especially when it's a moderator who's doing it. <<

I hardly think Jay was trying to fool anyone, particularly since the quot= ed=20
bit begins with "Jay Denebeim <deneb...@deepthot.org> wrote:"

Amy


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On Nov 27, 7:59=A0pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

"StarFuryG7" <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote in message

news:5bfadb03-2cfa-4039-a09c-ee74b2f9181e@f17g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 24, 8:48 pm, "John W. Kennedy" <john.w.kenn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Nov 23, 2:41 pm, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <1535d503-dfce-4694-94c5-846c8c16c...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,

StarFuryG7 <StarFur...@aim.com> wrote:

On Nov 8, 9:14 pm, "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
One of the things that's
always bothered me about "Covert Affairs" is that one of the main >characters is supposed to be something of a computer whiz even thoug=

h

he's blind, which I've found to be incredibly unrealistic.

She's not the first person. Software engineering/computer
administration is one of the traditional things a non-sited person ca=

n

do really well. Of course in these days of GUIs its a bit harder.
Plain text helps I would imagine.

Back in the old days, IBM mainframe provisions for blind users were off-the-shelf options, such as braille adaptors for standard printers.

But modern GUI frameworks do a pretty good job; text-to-speech is
standard on Mac OS X (and iOS, too), and if Windows doesn't have it,
well, shame on them. Of course, an individual app developer can screw
it up, but most government departments would never pass software that
did that.

What you people seem to be missing here, since none of you appear to
be viewers of the show I mentioned, is that the character I referenced
has to move fast, sometimes often, and that the lives of agents out n
the field depend on his getting things done as quickly as possible. It
seems to me that as a person who's blind, he's probably not the best qualified for that kind of a position.
---
You'd be surprised how fast a blind person can move about and do things i=

n

an environment in which he or she has control of the space. Of course I
can't comment on the show, as I've not heard of it, much less seen it or
more accurately listened to it.
But since you said nothing about needs for mobility in your first post, instead just commenting on the character being a computer whiz, we had no indication of any need to be able to move around, did we? Please put the goalposts back where you found them.

It's on USA Network, one of their many character-oriented light
dramas. It stars Piper Pirabo as a novice CIA agent, and Christopher
Gorham as her blind, computer-whiz handler (entirely realistic) who occasionally goes into the field, and, yes, when he does that, things
do sometimes get a little unrealistic -- but what blind TV hero
doesn't have that failing? (On the other hand, a lifetime ago, I knew
Harry Krents, who could do some pretty incredible things when he
wanted to, and he usually did.) It's between seasons right now (like
most USA-Network shows, it runs multiple short seasons per year), and
I don't know whether the show has a descriptive track -- being action- oriented, it's probably impossible to follow it without one.
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In article <0001HW.CCCFE61F055E98C7B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org>,
Amy Guskin <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:44:21 -0500, Doug Freyburger wrote

(in article <k8dnl5$qgh$1@dont-email.me>):

Jan wrote:

StarFuryG7 wrote:

Are you the only moderator here?

YES, for all intents and purposes she is.

Thank you Amy. Plus all of the other mods over they years. RASTB5.mod
is the shining example of success in moderated newsgroups. Not "a"
shining example but "the" shining example. More than just being abuot
the best TV show ever so the content rules, the longevity of the
moderation team is beyond the kenn of mortal man. <<

Thanks for the kind words, Doug.

Our moderationn team has changed and morphed over the years. Amy
graciously stepped up and volunteered to take up the mantle and has
worn it with aplomb for quite some time.

Jan also volunteered but technical issues with our software don't
allow her to actively moderate. She does get to see all the behind
the scenes goings on. I still moderate on occasion as does Jay
(mostly he just deals with the technical stuff), usually when Amy
isn't available. I've been sick a lot this past year unfortunately so
haven't paid as much attention to this newsgroup as I normally
would. I usually check for traffic and let Jay know if things seem to
be stuck. He does have a full time job including keeping up with new programming languages and such when he is at home. Amy and Jan both
also have real lives andd aren'ttied to a chair focusing on this
newsgroup.

Sometimes things get dropped. The nature of usenet is such that
sometimes bits pass into the outer darkness. There are fewer and fewer
relays for usenet nowadays as well so if one goes down, things get
delayed. But we can always be reached via email.

Also, we are real people. Jay and I frequently attend conventions and
would be more than happy to meet anyone from the newsgroup.Then you
can report back that we aren't actually power mad ogres. Or maybe we
are.

Cheryl







--
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*We stand between the darkness and the light. ---JMS *
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In article <k9aqvf$5oq$1@dont-email.me>,
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:

zofran@deepthot.org wrote:

Also, we are real people. Jay and I frequently attend conventions and
would be more than happy to meet anyone from the newsgroup.Then you
can report back that we aren't actually power mad ogres. Or maybe we
are.

Last night I was at a FathomEvents simulcast. It was a 25th reunion for
ST - TNG. The only tie in is the fact that the last time I went to a
Star Trek convention Babylon 5 was still on the air so to me at the time
it was a B5 convention that happened to have plenty of ST fans. That
was natural. I'm a B5 fan who'd been a ST fan forever before B5 came
out. It's been a very long time since I was at a convention of any sort
and yet WorldCon was in town this year and I missed it. Says something
about my priorities these days.

Jay and I whad a fabulous time in your town! Sorry you missed it, the
science programming was topnotch (Storey Musgrave! Sy Liebergot!
squee!). We also spent time with some B5 fans!

We also hit a B5 panel at Phoenix Comicon this year. It was very well
attended and excellent. For whatever reason, Babylon 5 is still very
much on the minds and in the hearts of fans. Or maybe we just have a
B5 fan attraction aura. Not sure but we always seem to run into folks
who loved B5 and are wistful for those days.

We will be at Worldcon in San Antonio next year as well as at Phoenix
Comicon.

Cheryl


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*We stand between the darkness and the light. ---JMS *
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On 11/30/2012 2:06 PM, zofran@deepthot.org wrote:

In article <k9aqvf$5oq$1@dont-email.me>,
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:

zofran@deepthot.org wrote:

Also, we are real people. Jay and I frequently attend conventions and
would be more than happy to meet anyone from the newsgroup.Then you
can report back that we aren't actually power mad ogres. Or maybe we
are.

Last night I was at a FathomEvents simulcast. It was a 25th reunion for
ST - TNG. The only tie in is the fact that the last time I went to a
Star Trek convention Babylon 5 was still on the air so to me at the time
it was a B5 convention that happened to have plenty of ST fans. That
was natural. I'm a B5 fan who'd been a ST fan forever before B5 came
out. It's been a very long time since I was at a convention of any sort
and yet WorldCon was in town this year and I missed it. Says something
about my priorities these days.

Jay and I whad a fabulous time in your town! Sorry you missed it, the science programming was topnotch (Storey Musgrave! Sy Liebergot!
squee!). We also spent time with some B5 fans!

We also hit a B5 panel at Phoenix Comicon this year. It was very well attended and excellent. For whatever reason, Babylon 5 is still very
much on the minds and in the hearts of fans. Or maybe we just have a
B5 fan attraction aura. Not sure but we always seem to run into folks
who loved B5 and are wistful for those days.

We will be at Worldcon in San Antonio next year as well as at Phoenix Comicon.

Cheryl

Well then, we'll have to have a bite on the Riverwalk.

Jay (no, the other one).
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<zofran@deepthot.org> wrote in message news:k9b3ji$4sc$1@dent.deepthot...

In article <k9aqvf$5oq$1@dont-email.me>,
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:

zofran@deepthot.org wrote:

Also, we are real people. Jay and I frequently attend conventions and
would be more than happy to meet anyone from the newsgroup.Then you
can report back that we aren't actually power mad ogres. Or maybe we
are.

Last night I was at a FathomEvents simulcast. It was a 25th reunion for
ST - TNG. The only tie in is the fact that the last time I went to a
Star Trek convention Babylon 5 was still on the air so to me at the time
it was a B5 convention that happened to have plenty of ST fans. That
was natural. I'm a B5 fan who'd been a ST fan forever before B5 came
out. It's been a very long time since I was at a convention of any sort >>and yet WorldCon was in town this year and I missed it. Says something >>about my priorities these days.

Jay and I whad a fabulous time in your town! Sorry you missed it, the science programming was topnotch (Storey Musgrave! Sy Liebergot!
squee!). We also spent time with some B5 fans!

We also hit a B5 panel at Phoenix Comicon this year. It was very well attended and excellent. For whatever reason, Babylon 5 is still very
much on the minds and in the hearts of fans. Or maybe we just have a
B5 fan attraction aura. Not sure but we always seem to run into folks
who loved B5 and are wistful for those days.

We will be at Worldcon in San Antonio next year as well as at Phoenix Comicon.

You know, it's been a while since I went to a convention. (Probably
Galaxycon in 1992 was my last one, other than a brief drop in at the Richardson Comicon to get my Strangers in Paradise stuff signed by Terry Moore) and with Worldcon in San Antonio that's probably a trip I could
muster up folks to go to from DFW. It might be worth it to make the trip.
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Once upon a time, <zofran@deepthot.org> said:

Jay and I whad a fabulous time in your town! Sorry you missed it, the >science programming was topnotch (Storey Musgrave! Sy Liebergot!
squee!). We also spent time with some B5 fans!

I love listening to the astronauts' stories. We have a dinner here
every summer where we sit under the Saturn V rocket; it started as a "Saturn/Apollo reunion" for the old engineers (they take a group picture
at the end every year, sadly of a shrinking group), and now it is a
"Manned Space Flight Celebration". They have a NASA project director
talk about the current work (so SLS and Orion now), and then we usually
get a retired astronaut telling some stories.

Sometimes, it is "only" a local astronaut, but we've had a few of the
Apollo guys come back to talk (both at the summer dinner and other
times). Harrison Schmitt (the last man, and only pure scientist, to
walk on the Moon) will be here in a couple of weeks for a dinner to
celebrate the 40th anniversary of the last manned Moon landing.

So on the convention subject: did anybody come down for Dragon*Con this
year? Anybody planning (or thinking) about next year? I know it has
grown too big for some folks, but it is still a lot of fun IMHO.
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Once Upon A Time,
Chris Adams wrote:

Harrison Schmitt (the last man, and only pure scientist, to
walk on the Moon) will be here in a couple of weeks for a dinner to
celebrate the 40th anniversary of the last manned Moon landing.

Nitpick: Schmitt was the last man to step onto the Moon. Eugene Cernan was the last man to walk on the moon. (Schmitt exited the Apollo 17 lander last upon landing, and entered it first when they were leaving.)



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Once upon a time, Captain Infinity <Infinity@captaininfinity.us> said:

Once Upon A Time,
Chris Adams wrote:

Harrison Schmitt (the last man, and only pure scientist, to
walk on the Moon) will be here in a couple of weeks for a dinner to >>celebrate the 40th anniversary of the last manned Moon landing.

Nitpick: Schmitt was the last man to step onto the Moon. Eugene Cernan was >the last man to walk on the moon. (Schmitt exited the Apollo 17 lander last >upon landing, and entered it first when they were leaving.)

The way I meant it was "of the 12 men to walk on the Moon, the other 11
did it before him". Yes, one of the 11 _also_ did it after him. :)

In any case, it is depressing that in a couple of weeks, it will have
been 40 YEARS since anybody went there. We had local news stories
yesterday and today about NASA tearing down the engine test stand used
for the F-1 engine (the engine used in the first stage of the Saturn V
moon rocket). It hadn't been used since before Apollo 11 flew, and it
cost them money for maintenance, but it was still sad for it to go.

The test stand used for the whole first stage of the Saturn V (aka the
S1C) is still here, although IIRC it has been around 10 years since it
was last used. I went up the stand a couple of times, and saw a few
SSME test firings, but that was just a single 435,000 lbf thrust engine,
not five 1.5 million lbf thrust engines.

There's a local company (Dynetics, partnering with Rocketdyne) that is proposing using an upgraded version of the F-1 engine for a later
generation of SLS booster stage. They think they can get a modern
version up to 1.8 million lbf!

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On Friday, November 30, 2012 11:57:44 PM UTC-5, Chris Adams wrote:

So on the convention subject: did anybody come down for Dragon*Con this

year? Anybody planning (or thinking) about next year? I know it has

grown too big for some folks, but it is still a lot of fun IMHO.

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Looks like there's a chance I'll make it this coming year. I snagged a reservation at the Marriott which is a big incentive. I hope they have a number of B5 guests to celebratth anniversary!

Jan
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In article <k9bj4q$s9v$1@news.albasani.net>,
Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

<zofran@deepthot.org> wrote in message news:k9b3ji$4sc$1@dent.deepthot...

In article <k9aqvf$5oq$1@dont-email.me>,
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:

zofran@deepthot.org wrote:

Also, we are real people. Jay and I frequently attend conventions and >>>> would be more than happy to meet anyone from the newsgroup.Then you
can report back that we aren't actually power mad ogres. Or maybe we
are.

Last night I was at a FathomEvents simulcast. It was a 25th reunion for >>>ST - TNG. The only tie in is the fact that the last time I went to a >>>Star Trek convention Babylon 5 was still on the air so to me at the time >>>it was a B5 convention that happened to have plenty of ST fans. That
was natural. I'm a B5 fan who'd been a ST fan forever before B5 came >>>out. It's been a very long time since I was at a convention of any sort >>>and yet WorldCon was in town this year and I missed it. Says something >>>about my priorities these days.

Jay and I whad a fabulous time in your town! Sorry you missed it, the
science programming was topnotch (Storey Musgrave! Sy Liebergot!
squee!). We also spent time with some B5 fans!

We also hit a B5 panel at Phoenix Comicon this year. It was very well
attended and excellent. For whatever reason, Babylon 5 is still very
much on the minds and in the hearts of fans. Or maybe we just have a
B5 fan attraction aura. Not sure but we always seem to run into folks
who loved B5 and are wistful for those days.

We will be at Worldcon in San Antonio next year as well as at Phoenix
Comicon.

You know, it's been a while since I went to a convention. (Probably >Galaxycon in 1992 was my last one, other than a brief drop in at the >Richardson Comicon to get my Strangers in Paradise stuff signed by Terry >Moore) and with Worldcon in San Antonio that's probably a trip I could >muster up folks to go to from DFW. It might be worth it to make the trip.

Shiny! I've always found Worldcon to be worth the trip. Meeting new
friends and seeing old ones. Lots of great panels. In Chicago, we
had a very unexpected encounter with David Brin as we wandered the
exhibit hall. Managed to spend some time with an old friend we hadn't
seen in years and years (had to put us on her schedule, she was so
busy!)

As time draws near, Jay or I will post something here about how to
find us at con. Heck, maybe we will throw a room party.

Cheryl



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In article <k9b3ji$4sc$1@dent.deepthot>, <zofran@deepthot.org> wrote:

We also hit a B5 panel at Phoenix Comicon this year. It was very well >attended and excellent. For whatever reason, Babylon 5 is still very
much on the minds and in the hearts of fans. Or maybe we just have a
B5 fan attraction aura. Not sure but we always seem to run into folks
who loved B5 and are wistful for those days.

Well, I think it has alot to do with the way literary fans were in
those days. B5 was the first show it was 'ok' to like if you were a
reader. Every rant against media SF was prefixed by 'except for B5,
of course'. To this day people are really fond of it.

Speaking of which, we just saw Iron Sky. Clearly the effects people
were B5 fans, there were lots of visual references to it. when the
good guys ships attacked it looked just like B5, plus gratuitous
rotating secions, and ginsu knife beams.

Jay
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<zofran@deepthot.org> wrote in message news:k9dl2i$cs9$1@dent.deepthot...

In article <k9bj4q$s9v$1@news.albasani.net>,
Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:

<zofran@deepthot.org> wrote in message news:k9b3ji$4sc$1@dent.deepthot...

In article <k9aqvf$5oq$1@dont-email.me>,
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:

zofran@deepthot.org wrote:

Also, we are real people. Jay and I frequently attend conventions and >>>>> would be more than happy to meet anyone from the newsgroup.Then you
can report back that we aren't actually power mad ogres. Or maybe we >>>>> are.

Last night I was at a FathomEvents simulcast. It was a 25th reunion for >>>>ST - TNG. The only tie in is the fact that the last time I went to a >>>>Star Trek convention Babylon 5 was still on the air so to me at the time >>>>it was a B5 convention that happened to have plenty of ST fans. That >>>>was natural. I'm a B5 fan who'd been a ST fan forever before B5 came >>>>out. It's been a very long time since I was at a convention of any sort >>>>and yet WorldCon was in town this year and I missed it. Says something >>>>about my priorities these days.

Jay and I whad a fabulous time in your town! Sorry you missed it, the
science programming was topnotch (Storey Musgrave! Sy Liebergot!
squee!). We also spent time with some B5 fans!

We also hit a B5 panel at Phoenix Comicon this year. It was very well
attended and excellent. For whatever reason, Babylon 5 is still very
much on the minds and in the hearts of fans. Or maybe we just have a
B5 fan attraction aura. Not sure but we always seem to run into folks
who loved B5 and are wistful for those days.

We will be at Worldcon in San Antonio next year as well as at Phoenix
Comicon.

You know, it's been a while since I went to a convention. (Probably >>Galaxycon in 1992 was my last one, other than a brief drop in at the >>Richardson Comicon to get my Strangers in Paradise stuff signed by Terry >>Moore) and with Worldcon in San Antonio that's probably a trip I could >>muster up folks to go to from DFW. It might be worth it to make the trip.

Shiny! I've always found Worldcon to be worth the trip. Meeting new
friends and seeing old ones. Lots of great panels. In Chicago, we
had a very unexpected encounter with David Brin as we wandered the
exhibit hall. Managed to spend some time with an old friend we hadn't
seen in years and years (had to put us on her schedule, she was so
busy!)

As time draws near, Jay or I will post something here about how to
find us at con. Heck, maybe we will throw a room party.

I'm trying to think now who I know in San Antonio. I guess it'll be at the Convention Center or somewhere else downtown -- that's one of the most confusing cities to drive in, since everything expands out from the Alamo instead of downtown being a grid.
Still, it's been a very long while since I ate at the Mi Tierra, and a Worldcon is even more incentive.
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On Dec 2, 2:34=A0am, deneb...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:

In article <k9b3ji$4s...@dent.deepthot>, =A0<zof...@deepthot.org> wrote:

We also hit a B5 panel at Phoenix Comicon this year. It was very well >attended and excellent. =A0For whatever reason, Babylon 5 is still very >much on the minds and in the hearts of fans. =A0Or maybe we just have a
B5 fan attraction aura. Not sure but we always seem to run into folks
who loved B5 and are wistful for those days.

Well, I think it has alot to do with the way literary fans were in
those days. =A0B5 was the first show it was 'ok' to like if you were a reader. =A0Every rant against media SF was prefixed by 'except for B5,
of course'. =A0To this day people are really fond of it.

The thing about B5 isn't just that it's cool sci-fi. The elderly
organist at my church loved it, and called it "the most moral show on television". The part of me that is a (very slightly) internationally
known Shakespeare scholar loved it. So did the part of me that played
the Earl of Gloucester in two different productions of "King Lear",
and even the part of me that managed to be a part-time professional
opera singer. (If you have never heard "G=F6tterd=E4mmerung", then you
cannot imagine how similar are the last minutes of each.) There is a
reason that so many actors (and not just the regular cast) speak so
highly of the show: it's full of stuff to make any serious actor
drool, and lines you can get drunk on.
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Once upon a time, Jan <janmschroeder@aol.com> said:

Looks like there's a chance I'll make it this coming year. I snagged a >reservation at the Marriott which is a big incentive. I hope they have
a number of B5 guests to celebratth anniversary!

Hope to see you there! I'll remind a friend on the programming
committee about B5's anniversary.
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On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 9:35:02 AM UTC-5, Chris Adams wrote:

Once upon a time, Jan <janmschroeder@aol.com> said: >Looks like there's a=

chance I'll make it this coming year. I snagged a >reservation at the Marr= iott which is a big incentive. I hope they have >a number of B5 guests to c= elebratth anniversary! Hope to see you there! I'll remind a friend on the p= rogramming committee about B5's anniversary. -- Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay= .net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't = speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

Thanks Chris! If you're still in the same room, I'll be sure to stop by. = And thanks for reminding programming about the anniversary - B5 seems to al= ways draw a good crowd and it'd be a shame for the anniversary to not get a=
big celebration.

Jan
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Once upon a time, Jan <janmschroeder@aol.com> said:

Thanks Chris! If you're still in the same room, I'll be sure to stop
by. And thanks for reminding programming about the anniversary - B5
seems to always draw a good crowd and it'd be a shame for the
anniversary to not get a big celebration.

I actually escaped that room this year, although it meant I had to
suffer that big ball o' fire in the sky (the Sun burns!); I'm now one of
the roving troubleshooters/helpers/etc. for the tech staff (hanging out
in our Ops room in the Marriott until there's a problem). I saw more of
the con this year than I have in several years.

I hope we can get some B5 guests - it depends on who is available and
applies.
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In article <eLadnQozJcCLlyPNnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>,
Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> wrote:

Once upon a time, Jan <janmschroeder@aol.com> said:

Looks like there's a chance I'll make it this coming year. I snagged a >>reservation at the Marriott which is a big incentive. I hope they have
a number of B5 guests to celebratth anniversary!

Hope to see you there! I'll remind a friend on the programming
committee about B5's anniversary.

Of course if you prefer to go to a convention that does not poach on
Worldcon's traditional weekend there's this one:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/2012/12/phoenix_comicon_announcement.php
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:22:00 -0500, Amy Guskin
<aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:38:50 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8uoct$imc$1@news.albasani.net>):

=20
"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message=20
news:0001HW.CCD823C6074D0F57B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:21 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8t8js$mkj$1@news.albasani.net>):
=20

The NFB is a problem sometimes for blind folks. They contend that=20
blindness
isn't a handicap, society's approach to it is what gives blind folks
trouble. They're anti-guide dog, instead preferring blind folks to u=

se a

long "glide" cane that doesn't contact the ground, and they're also=20 >>>> against
talking elevators and chirp signals on traffic lights. <<

=20
Well, that is extremely interesting and curious. Nicole, I am curious=

what

your position is on all of that?

=20
I find the position that blindness isn't a handicap to be one that mig=

ht be=20

useful in getting political support, but not of much use actually help= ing=20
those who are blind.<<

That's really unfortunate. I wonder why they would be so positional if i=

t=20

actually fails to help most of the community they aim to represent?

And I'm=20

neutral on the traffic signals -- unless everyone is driving a Prius <=

<

Guilty! I am quite careful when I see *anyone* crossing anywhere near m= e,=20
because it really is completely silent.

My values are more=20

in keeping with the American Council of the Blind, though I'm a bit=20
frustrated that these two organization were so busy fighting with each=

other=20

during the talks for the ADA that the mobility folks managed to get br= oad=20
applications of what are commonly known as "wheelchair ramps of death"=

by=20

blind folks. (Curbs are superior for blind people over ramps because t= hey=20
signal the end of a sidewalk and the beginning of a more dangerous str=

eet -- =20

ramps with bumps, sometimes jokingly called "Acne Ramps" or "measles r= amps"=20
are better than nude ramps but not as good as curbs) <<

I don't think I've ever seen a ramp with bumps =8B=A0will keep an eye ou=

t for=20

them. And, what you say about the curb signalling the start of the stree=

t=20

makes complete sense! I had no idea there was so much division in the bl= ind=20
community. I guess it's like any other insular community =8B a theatre t= roupe,=20
a family, a newsgroup =8B familiarity ultimately breeds dissent!

Amy

My wife Pam and I have been fighting these battles for years. Yes,
the NFB seems intent on preventing anyone from actually helping the
blind, while Pam will take any help she can get! Right now her
mobility skills are getting almost dormant, since there is no where to
walk except the mail box out here, and I usually drive and guide her
when we go out. She is also allergic to most dogs. :-(

Nicole,
Do you use a color identifier? Or just not where colors. We are now
making the Rainbow Color Reader if you are interested.

Charlie
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"Charlie E." <edmondson@ieee.org> wrote in message news:tjg2c855c4qt2tddi3g9urosnsqp6nsp50@4ax.com...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:22:00 -0500, Amy Guskin
<aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:38:50 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8uoct$imc$1@news.albasani.net>):

"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.CCD823C6074D0F57B051B9BF@news.eternal-september.org...

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:21 -0500, Nicole Massey wrote

(in article <k8t8js$mkj$1@news.albasani.net>):

The NFB is a problem sometimes for blind folks. They contend that
blindness
isn't a handicap, society's approach to it is what gives blind folks
trouble. They're anti-guide dog, instead preferring blind folks to use >>>> a
long "glide" cane that doesn't contact the ground, and they're also
against
talking elevators and chirp signals on traffic lights. <<

Well, that is extremely interesting and curious. Nicole, I am curious
what
your position is on all of that?

I find the position that blindness isn't a handicap to be one that might
be
useful in getting political support, but not of much use actually helping
those who are blind.<<

That's really unfortunate. I wonder why they would be so positional if it >actually fails to help most of the community they aim to represent?

And I'm

neutral on the traffic signals -- unless everyone is driving a Prius <<

Guilty! I am quite careful when I see *anyone* crossing anywhere near me, >because it really is completely silent.

My values are more

in keeping with the American Council of the Blind, though I'm a bit
frustrated that these two organization were so busy fighting with each
other
during the talks for the ADA that the mobility folks managed to get broad
applications of what are commonly known as "wheelchair ramps of death" by
blind folks. (Curbs are superior for blind people over ramps because they
signal the end of a sidewalk and the beginning of a more dangerous
street --

ramps with bumps, sometimes jokingly called "Acne Ramps" or "measles
ramps"
are better than nude ramps but not as good as curbs) <<

I don't think I've ever seen a ramp with bumps < will keep an eye out for >them. And, what you say about the curb signalling the start of the street >makes complete sense! I had no idea there was so much division in the blind >community. I guess it's like any other insular community < a theatre
troupe,
a family, a newsgroup < familiarity ultimately breeds dissent!

Amy

My wife Pam and I have been fighting these battles for years. Yes,
the NFB seems intent on preventing anyone from actually helping the
blind, while Pam will take any help she can get! Right now her
mobility skills are getting almost dormant, since there is no where to
walk except the mail box out here, and I usually drive and guide her
when we go out. She is also allergic to most dogs. :-(

Nicole,
Do you use a color identifier? Or just not where colors. We are now
making the Rainbow Color Reader if you are interested.
---
Neither -- I wear colors, and in some cases I ask a sighted person what
color a t-shirt is if it matters. I have a set of "tag codes" planned for my next batch of t-shirts, as this set has been around long enough that the
tags are a bit worn now. But a lot of my wardrobe is color compatible with certain things.
I've been told I dress like a bag of Skittles in the past...
Charlie
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:57:44 -0500, Chris Adams wrote

(in article <YYidnZjd7anVEyTNnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>):

So on the convention subject: did anybody come down for Dragon*Con this
year? Anybody planning (or thinking) about next year? I know it has
grown too big for some folks, but it is still a lot of fun IMHO. <<

Hey Chris!

We expect to be there. Will keep in touch as it gets closer!

Amy

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:34:45 -0500, Jay Denebeim wrote

(in article <k9f0al$qgc$1@dent.deepthot>):

Speaking of which, we just saw Iron Sky. Clearly the effects people
were B5 fans, there were lots of visual references to it. when the
good guys ships attacked it looked just like B5, plus gratuitous
rotating secions, and ginsu knife beams. <<

The fact that I didn't even know this film *existed* is a testament to how busy I've been. Must see.

Amy

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Once upon a time, Amy Guskin <aisling@fjordstone.com> said:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:57:44 -0500, Chris Adams wrote

(in article <YYidnZjd7anVEyTNnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>):

So on the convention subject: did anybody come down for Dragon*Con this
year? Anybody planning (or thinking) about next year? I know it has
grown too big for some folks, but it is still a lot of fun IMHO. <<

Hey Chris!

We expect to be there. Will keep in touch as it gets closer!

Cool! Look forward to seeing some familiar faces.
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