As we all know, the certified IP flags changes quite often, so I've pulled them
out from a huge PAS file into one simple to maintain Flags.pas file. ATM I have
these:

TCPFlags = 'BINKD, BINKP, BND, BNP, IBN, IFC, IP, ITN, IVM, TCP, TEL, TELNET, VMP';

As a member of the FTSC I know of course what flags are allowed today, but if you can come to think of any flags that needs to be added -- or what flags can safely be removed without breaking any archaic
software out there, please let me know.

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Björn Felten wrote to All:

As we all know, the certified IP flags changes quite often,

they do?? TTBOMK, they've been changed once from the mishmash they were to the consistent Ixx format used today...

so I've pulled them out from a huge PAS file into one simple to
maintain Flags.pas file. ATM I have these:

TCPFlags = 'BINKD, BINKP, BND, BNP, IBN, IFC, IP, ITN, IVM, TCP,
TEL, TELNET, VMP';

these are the correct ones to be using...

IBN IFC ITN IVM IFT ITX IUC IMI ISE IP IEM

the others are obsolete... additionally there are the INA and ICM flags... INA contains the FQDN of the remote in many of today's listings and ICM is used like the standard CM flag to indicate that the internet side of the system is continuous mail capable... some systems are using it in place of CM if they are
internet only systems...

BINKD, BINKP, TELNET are not found at all in today's nodelists...


X:\ > grep -Eh -e ",BINKD,?|,BINKP,?|,BND,?|,BNP,?|,TCP,?|,TEL,?|,TELNET,?|,VMP,?" nodelist.334
Down,304,Manic_Modem_BBS,Union_KY,John_Cameron,000-0-0-0-0,300,MO,CM,TCP,IFC,TE
L,VMP,BND,ITN:Manic-modem.com Region,88,Chile,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl.no-
ip.org,BND,INA:fidocl.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com ,1,Internet_HUB,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl.no-
ip.org:24555,BND,INA:fidocl.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com Host,880,Santiago,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl88
0.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com


FWIW: there are also some that are not using the email tunneling flags correctly... TTBONK, they should be followed by an email address... but then, it appears that some are using IEM like INA as a place to list the email address for one or more email tunneling methods...


X:\ >grep -Eh -e ",IEM" nodelist.334 | grep -v -e ",IEM:" ,170,Techinvasion_BBS,Miami_Fl,John_Burns,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:bbs.techinva
sion.net,IBN,IFT,ITN,IEM Zone,2,Eur_(332),B,Ward_Dossche,32-3-4480880,33600,V34,VFC,ICM,XX,IEM,ITX,IBN,T
XH


X:\ >grep -Eh -e ",ITX" nodelist.334 | grep -v -e ",ITX:" ,3,Western_Zone_Hub,Mora_NM,Brenda_Donovan,000-65-218-223-109,300,CM,MO,IBN,ITX
,IMI,IFT,IP:binkd.region15.net ,389,Shurato's_Heavenly_Sphere,Boise_ID,Marty_Kazmaier,-Unpublished-,300,XA,IBN
,IFT,ITX ,12,Stormer's_Home_BBS,Kingsport_TN,Denni_Feagins,-Unpublished-,300,ITN:stormer
labs.homelinux.net,ITX Zone,2,Eur_(332),B,Ward_Dossche,32-3-4480880,33600,V34,VFC,ICM,XX,IEM,ITX,IBN,T
XH ,33,MasCanc,Firenze,Massimiliano_Masi,39-55-6585931,33600,V34,VFC,MO,ICM,XX,IEM
:max@mascanc.net,INA:s.mascanc.net,IBN,IMI,IUC,ITX,PING,TXH ,137,The_Wizards,Lummen,Eric_Verdonck,-Unpublished-,300,MO,IEM:verdonck.eric@be
lgacom.net,ITX ,854,Many_Glacier,Mortsel,Ward_Dossche,32-3-4480880,33600,V34,VFC,MO,ICM,XX,IEM
:mg@dossche.org,INA:many-glacier.dtdns.net,IBN,IFT,IMI,IUC,ITX,PING,TXH ,1,R50EC,Moscow,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,MN,CM,IBN,INA:newworld715.dyn
dns.org,IEM:fido@sirena2000.ru,ITX,IMI ,9999,R50_Hold,Moscow,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,IEM:fido@sirena2000.ru,
ITX,IMI,ICM Hub,715,New_World,Zheleznodorozhny,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,MN,CM,IBN,
INA:fido.hubahuba.su,IEM:hubahuba@infoline.su,ITX,IMI,U,REC Hub,5020,Freezer,Moscow,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,ICM,IBN,INA:fido.huba
huba.su,IEM:hubahuba@infoline.su,ITX,IMI ,830,SMith_Station,St.Petersburg,Dmitry_Ananitch,-Unpublished-,300,MO,CM,IBN,IN
A:fido.fiona.spb.ru,IMI,ISE,ITX,IUC,EMA:fido@fiona.ru ,330,1st_Choice_Core,Ashburton,Ian_Segers,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:1stchoicecor
e.co.nz,IMI,ITX


X:\ >grep -Eh -e ",IUC" nodelist.334 | grep -v -e ",IUC:" ,33,MasCanc,Firenze,Massimiliano_Masi,39-55-6585931,33600,V34,VFC,MO,ICM,XX,IEM
:max@mascanc.net,INA:s.mascanc.net,IBN,IMI,IUC,ITX,PING,TXH Region,24,Germany,RC_Germany,Torsten_Bamberg,49-40-38667137,9600,CM,XA,VFC,V34,
X75,IMI,IUC,U,ENC Pvt,299,pbbs.darktech.org,Porta_Westfalica,Sven_Dueker,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,
XX,PING,IBN,ITX:pbbs@gmx.net,IMI,IUC ,920,binkd.darkwhole.de,Herford,Thomas_Freitag,49-5221-996752,300,CM,MO,XX,X75,
PING,IBN,ITX:tf@darkwhole.de,IMI,IUC Pvt,404,wing-willich.dyndns.org,Willich,Wilfried_Hausmann,-Unpublished-,300,CM,
X75,MO,IBN,IUC,U,ENC Pvt,1183,roedeldns.dyndns.org,Oberhausen,Juergen_Wolpers,-Unpublished-,300,CM,X
A,MO,IBN,IUC ,1,Air_Applewood,Roydon_Essex,Vince_Coen,-Unpublished-,300,XA,CM,IUC,IFC,IFT,IT
N,IBN,INA:applewoodbbs.dtdns.net,U,SDS,REC,ENC ,2,The_Killing_Ground,Wrexham,Neil_Williams,-Unpublished-,300,MO,XX,IUC,IBN,INA
:bbs.zeusdev.co.uk ,854,Many_Glacier,Mortsel,Ward_Dossche,32-3-4480880,33600,V34,VFC,MO,ICM,XX,IEM
:mg@dossche.org,INA:many-glacier.dtdns.net,IBN,IFT,IMI,IUC,ITX,PING,TXH ,648,213.133.161.38,Kiev,Anton_Kuznetsov,-Unpublished-,9600,MO,CM,IBN,IEM:vedav
rata@gmail.com,IUC ,18,Dark_Stranger,Cherkassy_Ukraine,Sergey_Lawrinenko,00-00-000000,300,CM,MO,IE
M:463518@gmail.com,IUC,IMI,U,NC,REC ,78,Dark_Stranger_II,Cherkassy_Ukraine,Sergey_Lawrinenko,00-00-000000,300,MO,IE
M:node@nm.ru,IUC,IMI,IBN,INA:darkstranger.dyndns.org,TCD ,50,213.133.161.46,Donetsk,Anton_Kuznetsov(R46C),00-00-000000,9600,MO,CM,IBN,IE
M:vedavrata@gmail.com,IUC ,648,213.133.161.46,Kiev,Anton_Kuznetsov(R46C),00-00-000000,9600,MO,CM,IBN,IEM:
vedavrata@gmail.com,IUC Hub,418,fido.causeni.com,Kaushany,Gregory_Motruk,373-243-23977,33600,V34,V42B,M
O,XA,IBN,IMI:fido@causeni.com,IUC,U,CDP ,830,SMith_Station,St.Petersburg,Dmitry_Ananitch,-Unpublished-,300,MO,CM,IBN,IN
A:fido.fiona.spb.ru,IMI,ISE,ITX,IUC,EMA:fido@fiona.ru ,62,Noran_Station,Ekaterinburg,Konstantin_Sidorov,7-343-3717093,9600,MO,ICM,IUC
,IMI:sysadmin@noran.ru


X:\ >grep -Eh -e ",IMI" nodelist.334 | grep -v -e ",IMI:" ,3,Western_Zone_Hub,Mora_NM,Brenda_Donovan,000-65-218-223-109,300,CM,MO,IBN,ITX
,IMI,IFT,IP:binkd.region15.net ,3,Western_Star,Mora_NM,Brenda_Donovan,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IBN,IMI,IFT,INA:
binkd.region15.net Host,393,Cajun_Star,Lafayette_LA,Ben_Ritchey,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,XX,INA:cme
ch.dynip.com,IBN,IMI,IFT,ITN ,68,The_Positronium_Repository,Lafayette_LA,Ben_Ritchey,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO
,XX,INA:cmech.dynip.com,IBN,IMI,IFT,ITN ,33,MasCanc,Firenze,Massimiliano_Masi,39-55-6585931,33600,V34,VFC,MO,ICM,XX,IEM
:max@mascanc.net,INA:s.mascanc.net,IBN,IMI,IUC,ITX,PING,TXH Region,24,Germany,RC_Germany,Torsten_Bamberg,49-40-38667137,9600,CM,XA,VFC,V34,
X75,IMI,IUC,U,ENC Pvt,299,pbbs.darktech.org,Porta_Westfalica,Sven_Dueker,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,
XX,PING,IBN,ITX:pbbs@gmx.net,IMI,IUC ,920,binkd.darkwhole.de,Herford,Thomas_Freitag,49-5221-996752,300,CM,MO,XX,X75,
PING,IBN,ITX:tf@darkwhole.de,IMI,IUC ,854,Many_Glacier,Mortsel,Ward_Dossche,32-3-4480880,33600,V34,VFC,MO,ICM,XX,IEM
:mg@dossche.org,INA:many-glacier.dtdns.net,IBN,IFT,IMI,IUC,ITX,PING,TXH ,18,Dark_Stranger,Cherkassy_Ukraine,Sergey_Lawrinenko,00-00-000000,300,CM,MO,IE
M:463518@gmail.com,IUC,IMI,U,NC,REC ,78,Dark_Stranger_II,Cherkassy_Ukraine,Sergey_Lawrinenko,00-00-000000,300,MO,IE
M:node@nm.ru,IUC,IMI,IBN,INA:darkstranger.dyndns.org,TCD Pvt,4,KGGMK,Kriviy_Rih,Yuriy_Temnyuk,-Unpublished-,33600,V34,V42B,XW,MO,IUC:yuk
a@ua.fm,IMI ,1,R50EC,Moscow,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,MN,CM,IBN,INA:newworld715.dyn
dns.org,IEM:fido@sirena2000.ru,ITX,IMI ,14,Heaven_Station,Perm_Russia,Nick_Knutov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:fido@kn
utov.com ,15,Esquire_Station,Zheleznogorsk,Vladimir_Fyodorov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IMI
,IEM:fido6035@list.ru ,58,YES,Chernyahovsk,Cheslav_Osanadze,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IMI,EMA:c_ches@ma
il.ru ,9999,R50_Hold,Moscow,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,IEM:fido@sirena2000.ru,
ITX,IMI,ICM ,10,Epicentre,Kurgan,Yuri_Pesterev,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:pesterev_ep1@ma
il.ru ,666,QNet_Station,Kurgan,Denis_Telyakovski,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:fido_no
da@mail.ru,U,NC Hub,715,New_World,Zheleznodorozhny,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,MN,CM,IBN,
INA:fido.hubahuba.su,IEM:hubahuba@infoline.su,ITX,IMI,U,REC ,313,fido.lleo.aha.ru,Moscow,Leonid_Kaganov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,IEM:fido@lleo.
aha.ru,IMI,CM ,561,GEEK_Station,Moscow,Anton_Belitsky,-Unpublished-,300,IEM:fidoworld@mail.ru
,IMI,ICM ,1657,Lulu's_Home,Moscow,Irina_Smirnova,-Unpublished-,300,MO,IEM:irina_smirnova
@yahoo.com,IMI,CM ,1000,1001_Game,Moscow,Yuri_Frolov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:cqfounder@ebana
t.com ,1436,Black_Dragon,Moscow,Alexander_D._Chagadaev,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:f
ido@adc.su Hub,5020,Freezer,Moscow,Alex_Barinov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,ICM,IBN,INA:fido.huba
huba.su,IEM:hubahuba@infoline.su,ITX,IMI ,14,Hell-hole,Moscow,Sasha_Gromov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IMI,EMA:skrester@gmai
l.com ,1024,NEWLEO,Vladimir,Leonid_Novikov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,EMA:f1024@inbox.r
u ,1462,LPI_Station,St.Petersburg,Pavel_Ivanov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:node_
13@mail.ru ,1481,PaaLadin_St,St.Petersburg,Pavel_Semenov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:paal
adin@paaladin.ru ,312,Slayer,St.Petersburg,Alexey_Pantileenko,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:great
pav@mail.ru ,78,Zero_Divide,St.Petersburg,Anatoly_Skoblov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:fido
mail@skoblov.pp.ru ,1322,StrayLight,St.Petersburg,Max_Chirkov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:strayli
ght@bk.ru ,133,Lonely_Dale's_Nest,St.Petersburg,Igor_Belyakov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IE
M:dalenest@inbox.ru ,535,Grey_Lensman_Workstation,St.Petersburg,Vladimir_Bakhvaloff,-Unpublished-,3
00,CM,IBN:24555,IMI,IEM:zirra1969@gmail.com ,671,Install_BBS,St.Petersburg,Konstantin_Rogushin,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM
:node671@gmail.com ,778,Wood_Box,St.Petersburg,Vlad_Lesnikov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:woody@li
.ru ,830,SMith_Station,St.Petersburg,Dmitry_Ananitch,-Unpublished-,300,MO,CM,IBN,IN
A:fido.fiona.spb.ru,IMI,ISE,ITX,IUC,EMA:fido@fiona.ru ,1375,Shu's_station,St.Petersburg,Anatoly_Shuravin,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM
:panatamann@gmail.com ,1404,Ropsha_village,St.Petersburg,Alexey_Valyaev,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:
windows-95@mail.ru ,1215,Rough_Riders,St.Petersburg,Artem_Guschin,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:f12
15n5030z2@roangris.org ,129,Alex_Telecom,St.Petersburg,Alex_Sergushev,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:ale
x.sergushev@gmail.com ,367,Artifact_station,St.Petersburg,Sergey_Leonovich,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,I
EM:artifact.station@gmail.com ,553,TSRGP,St.Petersburg,Vladimir_Ignatov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:vl-ignat
ov@yandex.ru ,1254,Green_World,St.Petersburg,Sergey_G.Kovalchuk,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM
:green_1254@pisem.net ,8,North_Navy_Base,Murmansk,Oleg_Mazurenko,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:allbeau
ty@narod.ru ,52,REACTOR_[mail]_station,Murmansk,Roman_Ivanuk,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:r
.romanii@gmail.com ,52,Avicenna_BBS,Vladivostok,Dmitry_Nevozhay,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,EMA:nevoz
hai@smtp.ru ,99,Nakhodka_Offline_BBS,Nakhodka,Dmitry_Kramar,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,IEM:no
ffline@rbcmail.ru ,71,Phantom,Togliatti,Wadim_Kirsanov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,ICM,IMI,EMA:station71
@inbox.ru ,80,YES,Chernyahovsk,Cheslav_Osanadze,-Unpublished-,300,MO,IMI,IBN,ICM,INA:ches
lav.no-ip.info,EMA:c_ches@mail.ru ,330,1st_Choice_Core,Ashburton,Ian_Segers,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:1stchoicecor
e.co.nz,IMI,ITX

As a member of the FTSC I know of course what flags are allowed
today,

;)

but if you can come to think of any flags that needs to be added
-- or what flags can safely be removed without breaking any
archaic software out there, please let me know.

the old obsolete ones should be removed. removing them should not hurt archaic software in the least... any systems that are using other flags in their nodelist entries need to have those listings corrected... if they cannot be corrected, then the mailer's override grid can handle them...

)\/(ark


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Hello Björn

On 11/30/2014 12:55 AM, Björn Felten -> All wrote:

As we all know, the certified IP flags changes quite often, so I've
pulled them out from a huge PAS file into one simple to maintain
Flags.pas file. ATM I have these:

TCPFlags = 'BINKD, BINKP, BND, BNP, IBN, IFC, IP, ITN, IVM, TCP,
TEL, TELNET, VMP';

As a member of the FTSC I know of course what flags are allowed
today, but if you can come to think of any flags that needs to be added
-- or what flags can safely be removed without breaking any archaic software out there, please let me know.

The obsolete flag are only in use outside Z2. The whip of ERRORFLAGS
removes them. ;)

--
Have a nice day.

Kees

--- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130330 Thunderbird/17.0.5
* Origin: RaspberryJam - Raspbian, Binkd, CrashMail, Jamnntpd (2:280/5003.5)

The whip of ERRORFLAGS removes them. ;)

True. That's why I'll probably use Ward's definition:

FLAGS IBN IBN:@ IBN:@@ IBN:@@@ IBN:@@@@ IBN:@@@@@
FLAGS IFC IFC:@ IFC:@@ IFC:@@@ IFC:@@@@ IFC:@@@@@
FLAGS IFT IFT:@ IFT:@@ IFT:@@@ IFT:@@@@ IFT:@@@@@
FLAGS ITN ITN:@ ITN:@@ ITN:@@@ ITN:@@@@ ITN:@@@@@
FLAGS IVM IVM:@ IVM:@@ IVM:@@@ IVM:@@@@ IVM:@@@@@
FLAGS IP
FLAGS IEM IEM:*
FLAGS ITX ITX:*
FLAGS IMI IMI:*
FLAGS ISE ISE:*
FLAGS IUC IUC:*
FLAGS INA:*
FLAGS IRD:*

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Hello mark!

Sunday November 30 2014 04:45, you wrote to Bj÷rn Felten:

IBN IFC ITN IVM IFT ITX IUC IMI ISE IP IEM

the others are obsolete... additionally there are the INA and ICM flags... INA contains the FQDN of the remote in many of today's listings and ICM is used like the standard CM flag to indicate that the internet side of the system is continuous mail capable... some systems are using it in place of CM if they are internet only systems...

BINKD, BINKP, TELNET are not found at all in today's nodelists...

X:\ > grep -Eh -e ",BINKD,?|,BINKP,?|,BND,?|,BNP,?|,TCP,?|,TEL,?|,TELNET,?|,VMP,?" nodelist.334 Down,304,Manic_Modem_BBS,Union_KY,John_Cameron,000-0-0-0-0,300 ,MO,CM,TCP,IFC,TE L,VMP,BND,ITN:Manic-modem.com Region,88,Chile,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000 -0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl.no- ip.org,BND,INA:fidocl.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com ,1,Internet_HUB, Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl.no- ip.org:24555,BND,INA:fidocl.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com Host,880,S antiago,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl88 0.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com

The following notation is beyond me

IBN:fidocl880.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,

Besides the node is extinct fidocl880.no-ip.org returns "hostname not found"

Kees

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* Origin: As for me, all I know is that, I know nothing. (2:280/5006.4)

Hello Bj÷rn!

Sunday November 30 2014 14:08, you wrote to me:

The whip of ERRORFLAGS removes them. ;)

True. That's why I'll probably use Ward's definition:

FLAGS IBN IBN:@ IBN:@@ IBN:@@@ IBN:@@@@ IBN:@@@@@
FLAGS IFC IFC:@ IFC:@@ IFC:@@@ IFC:@@@@ IFC:@@@@@
FLAGS IFT IFT:@ IFT:@@ IFT:@@@ IFT:@@@@ IFT:@@@@@
FLAGS ITN ITN:@ ITN:@@ ITN:@@@ ITN:@@@@ ITN:@@@@@
FLAGS IVM IVM:@ IVM:@@ IVM:@@@ IVM:@@@@ IVM:@@@@@
FLAGS IP
FLAGS IEM IEM:*
FLAGS ITX ITX:*
FLAGS IMI IMI:*
FLAGS ISE ISE:*
FLAGS IUC IUC:*
FLAGS INA:*
FLAGS IRD:*

Ward allows in line with FTSC recommentations.

IBN:*

This allows IBN,INA:FQDN to be shortended to IBN:FQDN

Kees

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Kees van Eeten wrote to mark lewis:

The following notation is beyond me

IBN:fidocl880.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,

agreed... someone isn't paying attention...

INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,IBN,IBN:24556
OR
IBN:fidocl880.no-ip.org,IBN:fidocl880.no-ip.org:24556

would be proper...

Besides the node is extinct fidocl880.no-ip.org returns "hostname
not found"

that's one of those dynamic host name providers... but no-ip was also one that was taken over by m$ a few months back during a take down of malware distribution sites... the domain was finally returned when m$ realized that they had overstepped and that the subdomains were not managed or controlled by no-ip...

)\/(ark


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Hello mark!

Sunday November 30 2014 10:40, you wrote to me:

that's one of those dynamic host name providers... but no-ip was also one that was taken over by m$ a few months back during a take down of malware distribution sites... the domain was finally returned when m$ realized that they had overstepped and that the subdomains were not managed or controlled by no-ip...

With such friends, who needs enemies. ;(

Kees

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Following up a post on Sun, 30 Nov 2014, from mark lewis to Björn Felten:

TCPFlags = 'BINKD, BINKP, BND, BNP, IBN, IFC, IP, ITN, IVM, TCP,
TEL, TELNET, VMP';

i also found a bunch using EMA for email addresses :/

X:\ >grep -Eh -e ",EMA,?" nodelist.334 Hub,3000,fido.second.de,Essen,Rainer_Boesner,49-201-303026,300,CM,XA,V110H,X75,
ITN,IBN,IFC,EMA:rb@second.de,U,ENC ,30,UUCP_Gateway_Second_System,Essen,Rainer_Boesner,49-201-303026,300,XA,CM,V11
0H,X75,EMA:rb@second.de,GUUCP ,300,SECOND_SYSTEM_LINE_1+2(ISDN),Essen,Rainer_Boesner,49-201-303026,300,CM,XA,
V110H,X75,EMA:rb@second.de ,58,YES,Chernyahovsk,Cheslav_Osanadze,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IMI,EMA:c_ches@ma
il.ru ,1960,Count_Varg_Dipsysh,Moscow,Sergey_Zemsky,-Unpublished-,300,MO,CM,EMA:serge
y.zemsky@gmail.com ,378,klug,Moscow,Mikhail_Markovskiy,-Unpublished-,300,EMA:klug@mail.ru ,7486,Queen,Moscow,Elizaveta_Koroleva,-Unpublished-,300,MO,CM,EMA:lizka7486@mai
l.ru ,6140,Mail_only,Moscow,Slawa_Alexeew,-Unpublished-,300,V42B,EMA:slawa-614@rusf.
ru ,846,Topinambur,Moscow,Denis_Chebyshev,-Unpublished-,300,CM,EMA:tpnmbr@mail.ru ,847,Antichrist_Mail_System,Moscow,Damir_Gilyazov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,EMA:f847
.n5020.z2.fidonet@gmail.com ,1652,Maggots_Colony,Moscow,Dmitry_Perevertkin,-Unpublished-,300,ICM,EMA:n1652@
yandex.ru ,14,Hell-hole,Moscow,Sasha_Gromov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IMI,EMA:skrester@gmai
l.com ,4040,Blackfire,Moscow,Valerij_Kozhevnikoff,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,MO,V90C,EMA
:jason2000@yandex.ru ,1024,NEWLEO,Vladimir,Leonid_Novikov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,EMA:f1024@inbox.r
u ,1543,Kitten_in_Rainshire,St.Petersburg,Alexey_Subbotin,-Unpublished-,300,MO,CM
,EMA:AlexSubbotin@mail.ru ,830,SMith_Station,St.Petersburg,Dmitry_Ananitch,-Unpublished-,300,MO,CM,IBN,IN
A:fido.fiona.spb.ru,IMI,ISE,ITX,IUC,EMA:fido@fiona.ru ,999,ALF_Station,St.Petersburg,Kirill_Petrov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IBN,INA:77
.239.253.138,EMA:kirill.a.petrov@gmail.com ,52,Avicenna_BBS,Vladivostok,Dmitry_Nevozhay,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IMI,EMA:nevoz
hai@smtp.ru ,71,Phantom,Togliatti,Wadim_Kirsanov,-Unpublished-,300,MO,ICM,IMI,EMA:station71
@inbox.ru ,80,YES,Chernyahovsk,Cheslav_Osanadze,-Unpublished-,300,MO,IMI,IBN,ICM,INA:ches
lav.no-ip.info,EMA:c_ches@mail.ru


the really sad thing is that the maintainers of these segments should know better...

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the really sad thing is that the maintainers of these segments should
know better...

Sigh. True. There's a lot of that going around... :(

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Hi Kees,

The following notation is beyond me

IBN:fidocl880.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,

Besides the node is extinct fidocl880.no-ip.org returns "hostname not found"

That node is marked as down in nodelist.332.

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Janis!

Monday December 01 2014 13:43, you wrote to me:

Hi Kees,

The following notation is beyond me

IBN:fidocl880.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,

Besides the node is extinct fidocl880.no-ip.org returns "hostname not
found"

That node is marked as down in nodelist.332.

Are you sure?

$ fgrep fidocl880.no-ip.org Z1/nodelist.332 Host,880,Santiago,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl88
0.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com Hub,100,Internet_HUB,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,IBN:fidocl88
0.no-ip.org:24557,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com

$ fgrep fidocl880.no-ip.org Z2/nodelist.332 Host,880,Santiago,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,XW,IBN:fidocl88
0.no-ip.org:24556,BND,INA:fidocl880.no-ip.org,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com Hub,100,Internet_HUB,Chile,Maximiliano_Rioseco,000-0-0-0-0,300,ICM,IBN:fidocl88
0.no-ip.org:24557,IMI:fidonetchile@gmail.com

Kees

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Hi Kees,

Besides the node is extinct fidocl880.no-ip.org returns "hostname not
found"

That node is marked as down in nodelist.332.

Are you sure?

You're right, this node is not marked down. Sorry about that.

Though that particular address does find an ip address with the host command:

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

tcptraceroute though shows port 24556 is closed...

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Janis,

On 12/01/2014 09:46 PM, Janis Kracht -> Kees van Eeten wrote:

Though that particular address does find an ip address with the host command:

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

I am surprised, so do I. I have logged 12 consecutive days that I
got a hostname not found. Lets see what I get tomorrow.

tcptraceroute though shows port 24556 is closed...

What do you get for fidocl.no-ip.org.

--

Kees

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Hi Kees,

Though that particular address does find an ip address with the host
command:

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

I am surprised, so do I. I have logged 12 consecutive days that I
got a hostname not found. Lets see what I get tomorrow.

Interesting there...

tcptraceroute though shows port 24556 is closed...

What do you get for fidocl.no-ip.org.

bbs@filegate:~$ host fidocl.no-ip.org fidocl.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

Again, tcptraceroute shows port 24556 is closed as is port 24554 fwtw :)

Take care,
Janis

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host fidocl.no-ip.org fidocl.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

Does that mean that the 'no-ip.org' resolves to 'no-ip.org.net'?

If so, that sounds really interesting, no?

Maybe not very OT here, but still very interesting if you ask me.

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Hi Janis,

On 12/01/2014 11:23 PM, Janis Kracht -> Kees van Eeten wrote:

Hi Kees,

Though that particular address does find an ip address with the host
command:

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

Who adds the .net ?

I am surprised, so do I.

Here I copied the your fqdn with the .net ;)

I have logged 12 consecutive days that I

got a hostname not found. Lets see what I get tomorrow.

Interesting there...

tcptraceroute though shows port 24556 is closed...

What do you get for fidocl.no-ip.org.

bbs@filegate:~$ host fidocl.no-ip.org fidocl.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

here again the .net is added ???

Again, tcptraceroute shows port 24556 is closed as is port 24554 fwtw :)

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Kees

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here again the .net is added ???

Darn! You wrote that some ten minutes before me. Now everybody will think I'm a copy-cat. 8-)

Or maybe it's just yet another case of GMTA?

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On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Janis Kracht wrote to Kees van Eeten:

Are you sure?

You're right, this node is not marked down. Sorry about that.

Though that particular address does find an ip address with the
host command:

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

that's an interesting domain... .org.net? i came up NXDOMAIN for both .org and .net but for the above .org.net i came up with the same address that you found...

whois on that 23.21.224.150 shows that it belongs to amazon (AMAZON-EC2-USEAST-10) as one of their 23.20.0.0/14 addresses...

something's not right with that domain name... i think someone screwed up their
DNS entry...

tcptraceroute though shows port 24556 is closed...

IIRC, we've seen problems in the past with amazon cloud hosted FTN sites...

)\/(ark


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On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Kees van Eeten wrote to Janis Kracht:

I am surprised, so do I. I have logged 12 consecutive days that
I got a hostname not found. Lets see what I get tomorrow.

see my previous RE: no-ip.org.net...

tcptraceroute though shows port 24556 is closed...

What do you get for fidocl.no-ip.org.

NXDOMAIN... but both no-ip.org and no-ip.net both point to the same ip address... i suspect that someone has their DNS stuff set up incorrectly...

)\/(ark


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On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Janis Kracht wrote to Kees van Eeten:

What do you get for fidocl.no-ip.org.

bbs@filegate:~$ host fidocl.no-ip.org fidocl.no-ip.org.net has
address 23.21.224.150

at the time of this (and the previous messages), i've used traceroute... just now i tried host and host fidocl.no-ip.com returns a blank line... fidocl.no-ip.net returns NXDOMAIN... i checked this several times with the same
results...

)\/(ark


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Hi Janis,

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

Who adds the .net ?

I don't know why that got added.. if type host fidocl880.no-ip.org it shows "host not found".

If I type host fidocl880.no-ip.org it shows: fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

Weird...

In any case, "it's dead Jim" (startrek) <g>

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Mark,

Are you sure?

You're right, this node is not marked down. Sorry about that.

Though that particular address does find an ip address with the
host command:

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

that's an interesting domain... .org.net? i came up NXDOMAIN for both .org and
.net but for the above .org.net i came up with the same address that you found...

whois on that 23.21.224.150 shows that it belongs to amazon (AMAZON-EC2-USEAST-10) as one of their 23.20.0.0/14 addresses...

something's not right with that domain name... i think someone screwed up thei
DNS entry...

Sure looks like it :)

tcptraceroute though shows port 24556 is closed...

IIRC, we've seen problems in the past with amazon cloud hosted FTN sites...

Yes, that's true...

Take care,
Janis

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Hello mark and Janis,

Monday December 01 2014 19:23, you wrote to Janis Kracht:

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Janis Kracht wrote to Kees van Eeten:

What do you get for fidocl.no-ip.org.

bbs@filegate:~$ host fidocl.no-ip.org fidocl.no-ip.org.net has
address 23.21.224.150

I was formulting some explanation, whe the real thing hit me.

Someone forgot to put a . (dot) behind org in a dns configuration.
Apparently the ruling tld in that section is .net.

A name in DNS and certainly in the configuration files is only consired
fully qualified if it ends with a dot.
Forget the dot and the tld of the SOA is added.

My wordom may not be technically correct, but I hope you understand what
I want to express.

Kees

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Hello Janis!

Monday December 01 2014 19:53, you wrote to me:

fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

Who adds the .net ?

I don't know why that got added.. if type host fidocl880.no-ip.org it shows "host not found".

If I type host fidocl880.no-ip.org it shows: fidocl880.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

Weird...

In any case, "it's dead Jim" (startrek) <g>

Yes.

As an experiment, do you get identical results if you type

host www.fidonet.org
or
host www.fidonet.org.

Kees

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Hi Kees,

In any case, "it's dead Jim" (startrek) <g>

Yes.

Universal language <g>

As an experiment, do you get identical results if you type

host www.fidonet.org
or
host www.fidonet.org.

Some strange results (kind of):

host fidonet.org
fidonet.org mail is handled by 10 mail-sink.seeweb.it. fidonet.org mail is handled by 20 lb.smtp.seeweb.it.

<note no ip shows above>

host www.fidonet.org
www.fidonet.org is an alias for fidonet.fidonet.org.
fidonet.fidonet.org has address 85.94.204.146
fidonet.fidonet.org has IPv6 address 2001:4b78:2000::1
fidonet.fidonet.org mail is handled by 0 0.

<0 0 handles mail above?>

host www.fidonet.org.
www.fidonet.org is an alias for fidonet.fidonet.org. fidonet.fidonet.org has address 85.94.204.146 fidonet.fidonet.org has IPv6 address 2001:4b78:2000::1 fidonet.fidonet.org mail is handled by 0 0.

So, no I don't.. I would think www.fidonet.org and fidonet.org should return the same info... Someone messed up the Zone records over there maybe?

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Janis!

Tuesday December 02 2014 16:26, you wrote to me:

As an experiment, do you get identical results if you type

host www.fidonet.org
or
host www.fidonet.org.

Some strange results (kind of):

host fidonet.org
fidonet.org mail is handled by 10 mail-sink.seeweb.it. fidonet.org mail is handled by 20 lb.smtp.seeweb.it.

<note no ip shows above>

host www.fidonet.org
www.fidonet.org is an alias for fidonet.fidonet.org.
fidonet.fidonet.org has address 85.94.204.146
fidonet.fidonet.org has IPv6 address 2001:4b78:2000::1
fidonet.fidonet.org mail is handled by 0 0.

<0 0 handles mail above?>

host www.fidonet.org.
www.fidonet.org is an alias for fidonet.fidonet.org. fidonet.fidonet.org has address 85.94.204.146 fidonet.fidonet.org has IPv6 address 2001:4b78:2000::1 fidonet.fidonet.org mail is handled by 0 0.

O.K. it is clear the now there is no automatic expansiom from org to org.net
I will not comment on the: mail is handled by 0 0
It may be a response to MX not being declared, that is o.k. if the host is
the mailserver for his own hostname.

So, no I don't.. I would think www.fidonet.org and fidonet.org should return the same info... Someone messed up the Zone records over there maybe?

I will not endorse that, the one is a domain name the other most probably
a host name. There is a custom to do what you suggest.

I have been looking at some random hostnames in no-ip-org that I found in the
nodelist:

$ host oal-fido.no-ip.org.net
oal-fido.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

$ host bbsplanb.no-ip.org
bbsplanb.no-ip.org has address 77.179.73.155

$ host bbsplanb.no-ip.org.net
bbsplanb.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

$ host fidocl.no-ip.org
Host fidocl.no-ip.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

$ host fidocl.no-ip.org.net
fidocl.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

$ host no-ip.org.net
no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

$ host anyname.org.net
anyname.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

$ host org.net
org.net has address 23.21.224.150

So it is clear that someone who has org.net as domainname has only one
host and has setup a wildcard entry that always directs to that host.

The DNS services are hosted on the dns servers at digimedia.com
digimedia.com can be found in whois.

The same happens is try to resolve the 26 fidonet.net addresses still in the nodelist.

So it all seems coincidence.

The only question that remains is where did the expansion from org. to org.net
come from.

It also happened in Oktober when I sent you a small list.
The expamsion of org to org.net also occurred there together with the response of 23.21.244.150

Weird science.

Kees

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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Janis Kracht wrote to Kees van Eeten:

Some strange results (kind of):

host fidonet.org
fidonet.org mail is handled by 10 mail-sink.seeweb.it. fidonet.org
mail is handled by 20 lb.smtp.seeweb.it.

<note no ip shows above>

not strange, really... fidonet.org doesn't have an IP but subdomains of fidonet.org do ;)

host www.fidonet.org
www.fidonet.org is an alias for fidonet.fidonet.org.
fidonet.fidonet.org has address 85.94.204.146
fidonet.fidonet.org has IPv6 address 2001:4b78:2000::1
fidonet.fidonet.org mail is handled by 0 0.

<0 0 handles mail above?>

not sure what that's all about... perhaps www.fidonet.org doesn't have a mail handler and it is all handled by fidonet.org's mail handler(s)?

host www.fidonet.org.
www.fidonet.org is an alias for fidonet.fidonet.org.
fidonet.fidonet.org has address 85.94.204.146 fidonet.fidonet.org
has IPv6 address 2001:4b78:2000::1 fidonet.fidonet.org mail is
handled by 0 0.

So, no I don't.. I would think www.fidonet.org and fidonet.org
should return the same info... Someone messed up the Zone records
over there maybe?

no, that's actually normal in some cases... it just means that one has to connect to a subdomain of fidonet.org for any traffic... in the past, i've set up corporate entities in the same manner because that's what they wanted ;)

)\/(ark

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Hi Mark,

should return the same info... Someone messed up the Zone records
over there maybe?

no, that's actually normal in some cases... it just means that one has to
connect to a subdomain of fidonet.org for any traffic...

Ok, that would make sense, thanks for the wake up <bg>.

in the past, i've set
up corporate entities in the same manner because that's what they wanted ;)

sure... as for instance z1.fidonet.org, etc. do each return an ip..

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Kees,

So, no I don't.. I would think www.fidonet.org and fidonet.org should
return the same info... Someone messed up the Zone records over there
maybe?

I will not endorse that, the one is a domain name the other most probably
a host name. There is a custom to do what you suggest.

Ok, wasn't thinking in those terms. Not a big deal in any case.

I have been looking at some random hostnames in no-ip-org that I found in the nodelist:

$ host oal-fido.no-ip.org.net
oal-fido.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

[...]

I get the same results as you except for one, where you found no dns found, my system returned an ip:

host fidocl.no-ip.org
fidocl.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

fwtw :)

So it is clear that someone who has org.net as domainname has only one
host and has setup a wildcard entry that always directs to that host.

Looks like it...

[...]

So it all seems coincidence.

The only question that remains is where did the expansion from org. to org.net
come from.

It would seem some strangeness in Ubuntu 12.4, perhaps. That's what I run here.

It also happened in Oktober when I sent you a small list.

I remember that, yes.

The expamsion of org to org.net also occurred there together with the response
of 23.21.244.150

Weird science.

Yes :)

Take care,
Janis

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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014, Janis Kracht wrote to mark lewis:

should return the same info... Someone messed up the Zone records
over there maybe?

no, that's actually normal in some cases... it just means that one
has to connect to a subdomain of fidonet.org for any traffic...

Ok, that would make sense, thanks for the wake up <bg>.

:)

in the past, i've set up corporate entities in the same manner
because that's what they wanted ;)

sure... as for instance z1.fidonet.org, etc. do each return an ip..

i can't get any of z[1234].fidonet.org to return anything other than NXDOMAIN or unknown host...

*.fidonet.net all return the same address but that's the one that was grabbed by the domain squatter, right? that's what lead to binkp.net being created for looking up fidonet f.n.z addresses...

i gotta check why i'm unable to find fidonet.org subdomains :(

[time passes]

ok, i figured it out...

fidonet.org unknown host; mail handled by another;
www.fidonet.org 85.94.204.146
z1.fidonet.org unknown host; no mail handlers;
www.z1.fidonet.org 85.94.204.146
z2.fidonet.org unknown host; no mail handlers;
www.z2.fidonet.org unknown host; no mail handlers;
z3.fidonet.org unknown host; no mail handlers;
www.z3.fidonet.org unknown host; no mail handlers;
z4.fidonet.org unknown host; no mail handlers;
www.z4.fidonet.org unknown host; no mail handlers;

it is sad that no other zones have a web presence... i used to have a list of nets with web presence but so many of them fell over dead that i haven't even bothered to try to keep up with them any more :/

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it is sad that no other zones have a web presence...

Not very on topic in this echo, but do you think it can be connected somehow
to the attempts to get Ward ousted as IC?

We used to have not only zone and region presence there but even net ditto. Alas, water under the bridge and so on....

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Hello Janis!

Wednesday December 03 2014 11:24, you wrote to me:

I get the same results as you except for one, where you found no dns found, my system returned an ip:

host fidocl.no-ip.org
fidocl.no-ip.org.net has address 23.21.224.150

You ask for fidocl.no-ip.org you get *.org.net and 23.21.224.150

The only question that remains is where did the expansion from org. to
org.net come from.

It would seem some strangeness in Ubuntu 12.4, perhaps. That's what I run here.

I only have am old Ubuntu on a netbook, so I have no way of doing research
there. The other hareware I have uses Debian.

Kees

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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014, Björn Felten wrote to mark lewis:

it is sad that no other zones have a web presence...

Not very on topic in this echo, but do you think it can be
connected somehow to the attempts to get Ward ousted as IC?

-=*hell no*=- it has more to do with no one doing the necessary work to make it
happen... whether's that's on ward's head or the one who is/was supposedly taking care of things or if it is on the heads of others heading up those subdivisions is another question completely...

We used to have not only zone and region presence there but even
net ditto. Alas, water under the bridge and so on....

yes, the biggest problem that i saw was the resistance by many to incorporate some internet capablities with fidonet capabilities...

)\/(ark


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yes, the biggest problem that i saw was the resistance by many to incorporate some internet capabilities with fidonet capabilities...

Darn! I think you spotted it. Yes, if you went for internet rather than fidonet, why bother with one or the other?

Methinks we are still way off topic here... 8-)

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Hi Kees,

[...]

The only question that remains is where did the expansion from org. to org.ne >> come from.

It would seem some strangeness in Ubuntu 12.4, perhaps. That's what I run here.

I run Ubuntu 14.10 here and I get the same results as you do Janis.

It also happened in Oktober when I sent you a small list.

I remember that, yes.

The expamsion of org to org.net also occurred there together with the respons >> of 23.21.244.150
Weird science.

Yes :)
Take care,
Janis

Jeff

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I run Ubuntu 14.10 here and I get the same results as you do Janis.

This was a reply to something Janis wrote more than three months ago.

Is this something I can fix in Argus while I'm at it? I must admit I'm too short of time ATM to track back on this thread to see what it's about...

Please elaborate...

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Hello Björn,

I run Ubuntu 14.10 here and I get the same results as you do Janis.

This was a reply to something Janis wrote more than three months ago.
Is this something I can fix in Argus while I'm at it? I must admit I'm too short of time ATM to track back on this thread to see what it's about... Please elaborate...

This was regarding the DNS resolution of Fidonet.org and the resolution of other domain names to their hostnames. Seems different people were getting different results resolving the same domain(s).


Jeff

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