• More RFC

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Sun Nov 30 00:37:18 2014
    The graphics shown on top in the Daemon menu, has anybody found any use for it?

    Getting rid of it would reduce the EXE file size, as well as the CPU usage, considerably.

    Any thoughts?

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Björn Felten on Sun Nov 30 09:47:34 2014
    Hi! Björn,

    On 30/11/14 09:37, you wrote:

    The graphics shown on top in the Daemon menu, has anybody found any
    use for it?

    Getting rid of it would reduce the EXE file size, as well as the
    CPU usage, considerably.

    Any thoughts?

    How about an animated GIF of an Hawaiian hula dancer? 8-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Sun Nov 30 01:31:26 2014
    How about an animated GIF of an Hawaiian hula dancer? 8-)

    Hmmm... yeah, that would be just as informative, but much more interesting,
    I guess. Let me sleep on it. 8-)

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.71 to Björn Felten on Sat Nov 29 22:17:40 2014

    On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Björn Felten wrote to All:

    The graphics shown on top in the Daemon menu, has anybody found any
    use for it?

    hunh? it is active when there are live sessions going on... what do you mean by
    "found any use"??

    Getting rid of it would reduce the EXE file size, as well as the
    CPU usage, considerably.

    is it really really really that much of a hog?

    Any thoughts?

    other than forking your version and naming it something else? not really...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Sun Nov 30 19:24:37 2014
    hunh? it is active when there are live sessions going on... what do you mean by "found any use"??

    Are we talking about the same thing here? It's active all the time, whenever
    the Daemon is there. In Argus and Radius it's the menu item to the right of the
    Outbound menu item.

    And yes, it's a CPU hog. I was just wondering who would miss it if it went away and made it possible to have the lower half of that window, with much more
    interesting information, cover the entire window.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.71 to Björn Felten on Sun Nov 30 21:15:31 2014

    On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Björn Felten wrote to mark lewis:

    hunh? it is active when there are live sessions going on... what
    do you mean by "found any use"??

    Are we talking about the same thing here? It's active all the
    time, whenever the Daemon is there. In Argus and Radius it's the
    menu item to the right of the Outbound menu item.

    i assume that you are talking about the four traffic speed graphic charts in the top right quadrant?

    i don't see any cpu utilization problems over here... i checked with task manager and occasionally see the taurus.exe task bump 1%...

    And yes, it's a CPU hog. I was just wondering who would miss it
    if it went away and made it possible to have the lower half of that window, with much more interesting information, cover the entire
    window.

    are you taking about the activity log output window on the bottom of the screen? perhaps a screenshot would be beneficial??

    )\/(ark

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Tue Dec 2 00:11:09 2014
    i don't see any cpu utilization problems over here... i checked with
    task manager and occasionally see the taurus.exe task bump 1%...

    My real question was: do you, or anyone else, see any real value with that graphic crap that can't even be minimized? Do you understand what it shows? In my various versions there's no scale on either vertical or horizontal. So, what
    does it actually show?

    Forget about the CPU hog claim then, focus on what y'all think you're getting as added information compared to if it went away and gave you the entire window showing the actual CONNECT/DISCONNECT info in the window.

    There's a lot of BMP files included into the EXE file just to keep those graphics going -- are they really of any value to any Argus/Radius/Taurus using
    sysop?

    (And please Mark, don't be so damn conservative, let's focus on the future. 8-) )

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Mon Dec 1 18:56:06 2014
    Re: More RFC
    By: Björn Felten to mark lewis on Tue Dec 02 2014 00:11:09

    There's a lot of BMP files included into the EXE file just to keep those graphics going -- are they really of any value to any Argus/Radius/Taurus using sysop?

    What I see on my Taurus is very little graphic. What I see depends on what tab I click on of course. but the main window remains. About the only graphic I can see is at the bottom with about 4 icons on the left, then a small window with the current time, and the modem status info (lights)
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 2 01:02:57 2014
    What I see on my Taurus is very little graphic.

    Does that mean they removed that already in Taurus? I'm talking about the Daemon tab right of the Outbound tab.

    If that's already been removed in Taurus, I guess it answers my original question...?

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Mon Dec 1 19:32:27 2014
    Re: More RFC
    By: Björn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 02 2014 01:02:57

    What I see on my Taurus is very little graphic.

    Does that mean they removed that already in Taurus? I'm talking about
    the Daemon tab right of the Outbound tab.

    If that's already been removed in Taurus, I guess it answers my original question...?

    What I see in Taurus at the top, is the menu bar, then below that, I have Node1 (probably more Node tabs if there were more defined), Polls, Outbound, System. On the extreme right is Uptime info. If I still have your email, I'll send you a screen shot.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 2 01:37:49 2014
    If I still have your email, I'll send you
    a screen shot.

    If you don't have it it's really easy to remember: b (at) felten (dot) se. Some people even can remember it by heart... 8-)

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Mon Dec 1 19:54:18 2014
    Re: More RFC
    By: Björn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 02 2014 01:37:49

    If I still have your email, I'll send you
    a screen shot.

    If you don't have it it's really easy to remember: b (at) felten (dot)
    se. Some people even can remember it by heart... 8-)

    I did , so look in your email.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 2 02:00:36 2014
    I did , so look in your email.

    And from the look of that screen shot you don't even have the Daemon enabled. DUH?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 2 02:07:58 2014
    What I see on my Taurus is very little graphic.

    What I realize now is that you seem to be using Taurus as a POTS only mailer. I think that the rest of us are discussing the IP mailer part of the family.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Mon Dec 1 21:00:49 2014
    Re: More RFC
    By: Björn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 02 2014 02:00:36

    I did , so look in your email.

    And from the look of that screen shot you don't even have the Daemon enabled. DUH?

    If you are talking about the binkd mailer, no, I do not. I only use it for POTS frontend, and only because I needed a 32 bit front end to run a program to port pots calls to telnet.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Mon Dec 1 21:02:07 2014
    Re: More RFC
    By: Björn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 02 2014 02:07:58

    What I realize now is that you seem to be using Taurus as a POTS only mailer. I think that the rest of us are discussing the IP mailer part of the family.


    I've said that all along <G>. Started with you asking if anyone still wanted the POTS routines.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.71 to Joe Delahaye on Mon Dec 1 20:42:24 2014

    On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Joe Delahaye wrote to Björn Felten:

    What I see in Taurus at the top, is the menu bar, then below that,
    I have Node1 (probably more Node tabs if there were more defined),
    Polls, Outbound, System.

    there is another tab to the right of the system tab... it is called daemon and contains four graphic charts in the top right hand quadrant...

    you may not see the daemon tab if you are not using taurus' tcp/ip capabilities...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 2 07:53:20 2014
    Started with you asking if anyone still wanted
    the POTS routines.

    Not *this* thread. It started with me asking:

    The graphics shown on top in the Daemon menu, has anybody found any use for it?

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  • From Scott Little@3:712/848 to Björn Felten on Tue Dec 2 19:13:56 2014

    [ On 2014-11-30 at 00:37:18, Björn Felten wrote to All ]

    The graphics shown on top in the Daemon menu, has anybody found any
    use for it?

    There's generally not enough traffic to bother looking at, other than to show the fact that there was some recently, but it doesn't seem to hurt anything (on
    my system at least) so no reason to get rid of it.

    But if it means being able to port it to FP/Lazarus and remove dependencies on C/TASM, drop it like a hot potato ;)

    Getting rid of it would reduce the EXE file size

    Erm.. this is a "thing" still?

    as well as the CPU usage, considerably.

    AFAICT it doesn't update when minimised, so it shouldn't take any CPU? I usually have Argus minimised - in a virtual machine on a 7.5 year old CPU, it's
    used 3m30s CPU since ZMH this morning.

    Maybe have an easy to access checkbox in the.. button bar (?) thingy at the bottom to turn it on and off (possibly also hide it when it's off) for people who leave Argus open?

    Any thoughts?

    Pretty please with a cherry on top make it do IPv6 before you touch anything else, then if I don't like any subsequent additions/subtractions I can just stick with the first version and ignore the rest ;)

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to mark lewis on Tue Dec 2 10:04:25 2014
    Re: More RFC
    By: mark lewis to Joe Delahaye on Mon Dec 01 2014 20:42:24

    there is another tab to the right of the system tab... it is called daemon and contains four graphic charts in the top right hand quadrant...

    you may not see the daemon tab if you are not using taurus' tcp/ip capabilities...

    You're right. I did not have that turned on, but, all I see when I do turn that on, is that tab. I did see the graphics, but there are graphics charts in all the windows basically. They did not seem to be excessive to my view.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Tue Dec 2 10:08:32 2014
    Re: More RFC
    By: Björn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 02 2014 07:53:20

    Started with you asking if anyone still wanted
    the POTS routines.

    Not *this* thread. It started with me asking:

    The graphics shown on top in the Daemon menu, has anybody found any use for it?


    I just took that to be a continuation of the discussion <G> Sorry, my bad. I did activate the tcp/ip daemon just to see what there was. I saw nothing significant. Another tab showed up, and when I opened it, there was nothing spectacular in there (to me at least <G>)
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