• Re: Password Errors

    From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.1 to Robert Bashe on Mon Aug 27 21:52:00 2012
    You're absolutely full of shit, Nick. If you want to protect your "great leader" in FIDONEWS, be my guest. But stop trying to heat things up here. don't want to read about your and Bjorn's ideas of how everything should b free for the asking - HERE, I want to hear about Argus. And nothing else.

    So everyone that disagrees with you, or dislikes the way you talk to
    people is a follower of Bjorn? That's a great way of looking at it, Bob.
    It makes you look like you have an agenda of your own.

    [EOT]

    In case you didn't see it the first time..

    [EOT]

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.1 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Aug 27 21:57:00 2012
    I'm hubbing for R10 on Radius - hope that counts... :)

    Oddly enough, I just saw a connection to you a bit ago. It looks like all
    of your domains for every network you're in are @fidonet, except Agoranet.
    But you might want to take a look at Micronet and the other networks you're
    in. It could cause some errors in certain places.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Aug 28 06:55:07 2012
    Re: Re: Password Errors
    By: Nicholas Boel to Kurt Weiske on Mon Aug 27 2012 09:57 pm

    Oddly enough, I just saw a connection to you a bit ago. It looks like all
    of your domains for every network you're in are @fidonet, except Agoranet.

    Could you send me a copy of your log? Yeah, I've been working through the wrinkles after taking over R10. Binkd downlinks seems to want 4/5d addresses, others don't care. Some hubs/nodes want to see their /0 hub, others are connecting to 10/1 just fine.

    So far, Radius has done everything I need well, except TransX. I dug out my old copy of Internet Rex circa 1998 for those connects.

    I was looking for a learning experience and an excuse to play with FTN software; I got one! :)

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Aug 28 11:10:20 2012
    Nicholas Boel wrote to Robert Bashe on Monday August 27 2012 at 21:48:

    I asked Robert to stop his off-topic attacks, to be fair
    we should take this discussion somewhere else.

    YOU wrote this, despite the lousy quoting.

    No Robert. Kurt Weiske wrote that. Follow along, please.

    If you could quote decently, I'd be glad to. I changed nothing above, and it's anyone's guess who really wrote the lines. Are we supposed to guess?

    Nicki, you should finally get yourself a decent mail editor.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Aug 28 11:06:32 2012
    Nicholas Boel wrote to Robert Bashe on Monday August 27 2012 at 21:52:

    You're absolutely full of shit, Nick. If you want to protect your
    "great leader" in FIDONEWS, be my guest. But stop trying to heat
    things up here. don't want to read about your and Bjorn's ideas of
    how everything should b free for the asking - HERE, I want to hear
    about Argus. And nothing else.

    So everyone that disagrees with you, or dislikes the way you talk to
    people is a follower of Bjorn?

    A "worshipper", Nicki, not a "follower".

    [EOT]

    In case you didn't see it the first time..

    [EOT]

    So why do you ignore it yourself?

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.1 to Robert Bashe on Tue Aug 28 19:36:00 2012
    I asked Robert to stop his off-topic attacks, to be fair KW>>> we should take this discussion somewhere else.

    No Robert. Kurt Weiske wrote that. Follow along, please.

    If you could quote decently, I'd be glad to. I changed nothing above, and anyone's guess who really wrote the lines. Are we supposed to guess?

    Nicki, you should finally get yourself a decent mail editor.

    Bob. If you would have followed the thread you would have realized it's
    Kurt that is using Synchronet. Everything is properly quoted here, since
    I'm using a different BBS software to post messages, and have been since I originally told you I was working on another setup.

    So, if it was yet another reason to attack someone that you decided to
    bring this old news up, you might as well quit while you're already behind.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.1 to Robert Bashe on Tue Aug 28 19:48:00 2012
    So everyone that disagrees with you, or dislikes the way you talk to people is a follower of Bjorn?

    A "worshipper", Nicki, not a "follower".

    Is that so? You really do live in your own little world, don't you Bob? I
    don't worship anyone, and I speak my own mind. Something you should try
    doing someday.

    In case you didn't see it the first time..

    So why do you ignore it yourself?

    It seems every once in awhile you need to be let know that you're going off
    the deep end. Whether you actually realize it at some point or not, is completely up to you, though.

    Just an FYI, FIDONEWS is being completely ignored at the moment. Not
    because of what Ward has done, or has said, or because of what Bjorn has
    done, or has said, but because of what you're currently doing, and are
    saying, to multiple people over there. Are you really that disgruntled and unhappy with life to feel the need to insult everyone you chat with?

    Oh, except for the "Thank you, massah moderator, for jumping in and putting someone in check for me. Because I make myself look like a babbling baffoon when I start slinging mud in every direction. Just look at FIDONEWS!"

    We all know that's what you were REALLY saying. :)

    Anyway, I'm going to ignore you now. Because if I don't, you'll keep this
    going for another year, like you seem to love doing elsewhere. So nitpick
    away!

    "I don't care if you lick windows, run into walls, or occasionally pee on yourself. You hang in there sunshine, you're friggin special!" :|

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  • From Ross Cassell@1:123/456 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Aug 28 21:48:24 2012
    Hello Nicholas!

    28 Aug 12 19:48, you wrote to Robert Bashe:

    It seems every once in awhile you need to be let know that you're
    going off the deep end. Whether you actually realize it at some point
    or not, is completely up to you, though.

    Just because you were not in FIDONEWS during the time Robert took the abuse he got, does not mean it didnt happen...

    Anything you claim him being guilty of, he received 10 times worse IN SPADES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In your rosy and cheery little world, it might be easy for you to turn the other cheek and let bygones be bygones.. Robert tried that and got the other cheek slapped..

    I told you ad naseum this stuff goes back 10 years regarding FIDONEWS, it probably goes back further for him.

    Whatever, it does seem you have something in common with me, you have to get in
    the last word, prove me wrong!! LOL


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Aug 28 23:15:45 2012
    I asked Robert to stop his off-topic attacks, to be fair KW>>> we should take this discussion somewhere else.

    No Robert. Kurt Weiske wrote that. Follow along, please.

    If you could quote decently, I'd be glad to. I changed nothing
    above, and
    anyone's guess who really wrote the lines. Are we supposed to guess?

    Nicki, you should finally get yourself a decent mail editor.

    Bob. If you would have followed the thread you would have realized
    it's Kurt that is using Synchronet. Everything is properly quoted
    here,

    if it is properly quoted, why does it keep adding new quote initials and > signs instead of just adding another '>' to the existing already quoted quotes?
    but this is something for the mystic echo...

    since I'm using a different BBS software to post messages, and
    have been since I originally told you I was working on another
    setup.

    so you changed from synchronet? why? that is what you were recently running, wasn't it?

    So, if it was yet another reason to attack someone that you decided
    to bring this old news up, you might as well quit while you're
    already behind.

    why does everything have to be an attack? this message is definitely not an attack on you or your chosen software...

    FWIW: i'm still waiting on rob swindell to explain why synchronet is generating
    MSGID lines for posts that do not contain such... he quite conviently left, quit or just STFU when i posted the proof to him using one of his own messages with one of your's being the first i spotted doing such ;)

    )\/(ark


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  • From Bj÷rn Felten@2:203/2 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Aug 29 17:42:30 2012
    Just an FYI, FIDONEWS is being completely ignored at the moment.

    Only certain members there. After some netmail moderation... :)

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.1 to mark lewis on Wed Aug 29 23:08:00 2012
    if it is properly quoted, why does it keep adding new quote initials and > signs instead of just adding another '>' to the existing already quoted qu but this is something for the mystic echo...

    Why does most everyone's do the same? And is this another "proposition?" Or
    is it an actual standard?

    so you changed from synchronet? why? that is what you were recently runnin wasn't it?

    I'm still running Synchronet, but I'm posting messages from my Mystic point system, which is under a major 'overhaul from default' right now. :)

    why does everything have to be an attack? this message is definitely not a attack on you or your chosen software...

    He brought up a thread from FIDONEWS to poke a jab at me at Synchronet's quoting. What he didn't know, is that it wasn't me that posted the original message that screwed things up. The point is that he felt the need to throw
    one more jab into the mix, which he had to completely change the subject in order to do. If you don't see that, then something is seriously wrong
    upstairs.

    FWIW: i'm still waiting on rob swindell to explain why synchronet is gener MSGID lines for posts that do not contain such... he quite conviently left quit or just STFU when i posted the proof to him using one of his own mess with one of your's being the first i spotted doing such ;)

    I don't know. You'll have to take it up with him. Maybe he's just ignoring
    your anal retentivity? Everyone's software has flaws. Some more than
    others. Your software is broken too, Mark. He did point that out before he stopped posting.

    I do remember him saying there was an RC change in his region, so his
    uplink might have lost some messages, and by the time he got back, a few of
    his replies never made it to you, so he just gave up on the unwinnable
    battle.

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Bjorn Felten on Thu Aug 30 09:24:02 2012
    Bjorn Felten wrote to Nicholas Boel on Wednesday August 29 2012 at 17:42:

    Just an FYI, FIDONEWS is being completely ignored at the moment.

    Only certain members there. After some netmail moderation... :)

    Not from you, at any rate. Probably Janis threatened to get you and yours out for good the next time.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Aug 30 11:19:42 2012
    Nicholas Boel wrote to mark lewis on Wednesday August 29 2012 at 23:08:

    if it is properly quoted, why does it keep adding new quote initials
    and > signs instead of just adding another '>' to the existing
    and > already quoted qu but this is something for the mystic echo...

    Why does most everyone's do the same?

    They don't. You simply aren't paying attention.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Aug 30 11:18:01 2012
    Re: Re: Password Errors
    By: Nicholas Boel to mark lewis on Wed Aug 29 2012 11:08 pm

    I do remember him saying there was an RC change in his region, so his
    uplink might have lost some messages, and by the time he got back, a few of his replies never made it to you, so he just gave up on the unwinnable battle.

    That RC/uplink is me. If you're seeing my posts, chances are you're seeing Rob's, too. :)

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Aug 30 18:51:15 2012

    if it is properly quoted, why does it keep adding new quote
    initials and >
    signs instead of just adding another '>' to the existing already
    quoted qu
    but this is something for the mystic echo...

    Why does most everyone's do the same?

    do what? multiple quotes like this

    ab>>>> ab wrote this 4 quotes back
    ef>>> ef wrote this 3 quotes back
    ij>> ij wrote this 2 quotes back
    mn> mn wrote this 1 quote back

    OR like this?

    mn> ij> ef> ab> ab wrote this 4 quotes back
    mn> ij> ef> ef wrote this 3 quotes back
    mn> ij> ij wrote this 2 quotes back
    mn> mn wrote this 1 quote back

    OR like this?

    mn>ij>ef>ab> ab wrote this 4 quotes back
    mn>ij>ef> ef wrote this 3 quotes back
    mn>ij> ij wrote this 2 quotes back
    mn> mn wrote this 1 quote back

    i'm not even going to try to manyally depict what mixing the quote methods causes nor am i going to go into the (lack of) reflowing problem...

    each of the above three use the same formatting rules... but if one doesn't allow for the space between the quote prefixes, it may not recognize it as a previous quoted quote and would then stuff its own quote prefix onto the line... then you get things like what your quoter has been seen to do...

    but the simple answer to your question is that they do the simple quoting and quote chopping at the end of the line because their coder couldn't or didn't or
    won't figure out how to do it properly... in other words, some might use the term "lazy"... others, codes possibly, might say, "hey, at least they can quote. if they want better, they can write it themselves or pay for better."

    And is this another "proposition?" Or is it an actual standard?

    is what another proposition or standard?

    so you changed from synchronet? why? that is what you were
    recently runnin
    wasn't it?

    I'm still running Synchronet, but I'm posting messages from my
    Mystic point system,

    ahhh...

    which is under a major 'overhaul from default' right now. :)

    mmmkay :)

    [trim]

    FWIW: i'm still waiting on rob swindell to explain why synchronet
    is gener
    MSGID lines for posts that do not contain such... he quite
    conviently left
    quit or just STFU when i posted the proof to him using one of his
    own mess
    with one of your's being the first i spotted doing such ;)

    I don't know. You'll have to take it up with him. Maybe he's just
    ignoring your anal retentivity? Everyone's software has flaws. Some
    more than others. Your software is broken too, Mark. He did point
    that out before he stopped posting.

    yes, mine does have some problems... but i can't fix mine like he can in the software that he maintains... the source code to all the various packages i use
    has not been released and likely never will be... i know that in one case, there was $10000US spent for the sources but i doubt that it has brought in 1/3rd of that since it was bought and updated...

    I do remember him saying there was an RC change in his region, so
    his uplink might have lost some messages, and by the time he got
    back, a few of his replies never made it to you, so he just gave up
    on the unwinnable battle.

    he specifically posted some of the messages that didn't make it out originally... but an RC change shouldn't frak things like that up... RC addresses are just additional addresses and should not be used in the processing of regular echomail and netmail... if a system is moving mail, they can continue to do it without and breakage if they use their normal node address... sadly, though, this conversation has come up more than once over the
    years, too... sadly^2 some folk still don't listen to history and so they end up with problems like you described when an RC was apparently hubbing mail and had to switch things out when another person took over the RC slot...

    )\/(ark


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Aug 30 19:15:51 2012

    I do remember him saying there was an RC change in his region, so his
    uplink might have lost some messages, and by the time he got back,
    a few of his replies never made it to you, so he just gave up on the unwinnable battle.

    That RC/uplink is me. If you're seeing my posts, chances are you're
    seeing Rob's, too. :)

    right... but who was the outgoing one and why is a changable *C address being used to process mail??

    )\/(ark


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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.1 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Aug 30 22:43:00 2012
    That RC/uplink is me. If you're seeing my posts, chances are you're seeing Rob's, too. :)

    Now, yes. When you were in the process of setting up is when this
    particular discussion was going on.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.1 to mark lewis on Thu Aug 30 22:58:00 2012
    Why does most everyone's do the same?

    do what? multiple quotes like this

    OR like this?

    mn> ij> ef> ab> ab wrote this 4 quotes back
    mn> ij> ef> ef wrote this 3 quotes back
    mn> ij> ij wrote this 2 quotes back
    mn> mn wrote this 1 quote back


    Looks like Mystic does it this way. With all the different ways editors do
    it, which way is the correct way? And is that correct way fact or opinion?

    each of the above three use the same formatting rules... but if one doesn' allow for the space between the quote prefixes, it may not recognize it as previous quoted quote and would then stuff its own quote prefix onto the line... then you get things like what your quoter has been seen to do...

    What things did my quoter do? I'm pretty sure it keeps what's there, and
    adds it's own quote prefix.

    Whereas with synchronet, mine was stripping quote prefixes. Now you're
    saying both of them are wrong? I just can't win, can I? :)

    but the simple answer to your question is that they do the simple quoting quote chopping at the end of the line because their coder couldn't or didn won't figure out how to do it properly... in other words, some might use t term "lazy"... others, codes possibly, might say, "hey, at least they can quote. if they want better, they can write it themselves or pay for better

    I've been requesting this be changed with Mystic. I prefer word wrapping, rather than chopping off the end of a line. It's not that bad on one quote, because I think it only chops 4 chars off the end, but if you have 4 quote prefixes, I'm willing to bet you're getting 16 chars chopped, which isn't
    cool at all.

    yes, mine does have some problems... but i can't fix mine like he can in t software that he maintains... the source code to all the various packages has not been released and likely never will be... i know that in one case, there was $10000US spent for the sources but i doubt that it has brought i 1/3rd of that since it was bought and updated...

    You can fix them by switching softwares. But you wouldn't do that, would
    you? It's not THAT important.. right? I have a feeling that devs that see crappy wording in proposals, follow them how they want to follow them. At
    least that's what I got out of your previous discussion with Rob.

    he specifically posted some of the messages that didn't make it out originally... but an RC change shouldn't frak things like that up... RC addresses are just additional addresses and should not be used in the processing of regular echomail and netmail... if a system is moving mail, can continue to do it without and breakage if they use their normal node address... sadly, though, this conversation has come up more than once ove years, too... sadly^2 some folk still don't listen to history and so they up with problems like you described when an RC was apparently hubbing mail had to switch things out when another person took over the RC slot...

    I don't think that was the situation. I think Rob had to switch his link
    to a new person completely. I thought I remember him saying he was all
    setup for it, but Kurt was setting himself up to take over the position and
    add all the new links. It wasn't but a couple days before everything was
    good, but it was during that couple days when he was trying to reply to you
    via his system... or something.

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  • From mark lewis@1:218/700 to Nicholas Boel on Fri Aug 31 01:31:15 2012
    Why does most everyone's do the same?

    do what? multiple quotes like this

    OR like this?

    mn> ij> ef> ab> ab wrote this 4 quotes back
    mn> ij> ef> ef wrote this 3 quotes back
    mn> ij> ij wrote this 2 quotes back
    mn> mn wrote this 1 quote back


    Looks like Mystic does it this way.

    true but if the space is missing, then it prefixes the quotes with its quote instead of simply adding the '>' to the existing quotes... in others words, the

    space or not farkles it up...

    With all the different ways editors do it, which way is the
    correct way?

    the "correct" and "defacto" way is to recognize all of the two or three existing ways and then to provide the one "standard" way instead of not recognizing the "normal" format and simply prefixing the current quote stuff to

    all lines...

    FWIW: the above is NOT the preferred way...

    And is that correct way fact or opinion?

    i would call it fact and defacto standard... even though may not be written out

    in a proposal or a standard... welcome to the world of cooperatio between software coders ;)

    each of the above three use the same formatting rules... but if
    one doesn'
    allow for the space between the quote prefixes, it may not
    recognize it as
    previous quoted quote and would then stuff its own quote prefix onto the line... then you get things like what your quoter has been seen to do...

    What things did my quoter do? I'm pretty sure it keeps what's
    there, and adds it's own quote prefix.

    it prefixed every previous quote with the quote string based on the From field in the message that you were replying to...

    Whereas with synchronet, mine was stripping quote prefixes.

    i recall that being noted but i don't recall the exact specifics :(

    Now you're saying both of them are wrong? I just can't win, can I?
    :)

    it seems that this is true for many of us who are being complained to/about... but the major difference between you and myself is that you are using your bbs software for you messaging stuffs whereas i am not... i'm using my "sysop editor" which is outside my bbs software and the only thing they have in common

    is the list of message areas and the message base format being used...

    but the simple answer to your question is that they do the simple
    quoting
    quote chopping at the end of the line because their coder couldn't
    or didn
    won't figure out how to do it properly... in other words, some
    might use t
    term "lazy"... others, codes possibly, might say, "hey, at least
    they can
    quote. if they want better, they can write it themselves or pay
    for better

    I've been requesting this be changed with Mystic. I prefer word
    wrapping, rather than chopping off the end of a line.

    that's called "reflowing"...

    It's not that bad on one quote,

    it is bad enough...

    because I think it only chops 4 chars off the end,

    look at my quote above that i left chainsawed and you can see where some words,

    3 letter ones, are left out and that completely changes what was written :(

    but if you have 4 quote prefixes, I'm willing to bet you're
    getting 16 chars chopped, which isn't cool at all.

    that's why the first quote method i showed is the preferred one... that is where the quoting mechanism recognizes the previous quotes and simply suffixes another '>' to them before reflowing the rest of the quote and prefixing the '>' to the new lines as they come around during the reflowing process...

    yes, mine does have some problems... but i can't fix mine like he
    can in t
    software that he maintains... the source code to all the various
    packages
    has not been released and likely never will be... i know that in
    one case,
    there was $10000US spent for the sources but i doubt that it has
    brought i
    1/3rd of that since it was bought and updated...

    You can fix them by switching softwares. But you wouldn't do that,
    would you?

    i would if the results were worth the trouble... but what many miss is that i'm

    still running the last available private beta version of my software... software that was, at one time, one of the leading bbs packages in fidonet.. software that (helped to) set these (defacto) standards

    It's not THAT important.. right? I have a feeling that
    devs that see crappy wording in proposals, follow them how they
    want to follow them. At least that's what I got out of your
    previous discussion with Rob.

    you can't put my messages on par with those who write the standards... i'm a developer and coder... i'm not a standards writer ;)

    he specifically posted some of the messages that didn't make it out originally... but an RC change shouldn't frak things like that up... RC addresses are just additional addresses and should not be used in the processing of regular echomail and netmail... if a system is
    moving mail,
    can continue to do it without and breakage if they use their normal node address... sadly, though, this conversation has come up more than
    once ove
    years, too... sadly^2 some folk still don't listen to history and
    so they
    up with problems like you described when an RC was apparently
    hubbing mail
    had to switch things out when another person took over the RC slot...

    I don't think that was the situation. I think Rob had to switch his
    link to a new person completely.

    which wouldn't have to have been done if the *C address was simply another address and not one being used for processing mail ;)

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