Hello bob!

28 Oct 09 20:33, bob klahn wrote to MIKE TRIPP:

Do you remember Xtree? I use a 32 bit version called Ztree.
Ztree.com to find it.

Ztree has a batch builder function that can automate writing the
batch file to do the conversion.

If you like Dos you will like Ztree, and Xtree.

I used Q-DOS as my shell "training wheels" to transition
from the CP/M commandline to the DOS commandline (COPY had
so many more switches than PIP...and then there was the
option to XCOPY and more/different switches also<g>). Like

I started with the DOS command line, then went to Xtree.

your favorite text editor, the hotkey strokes eventually
flow like stream of consciousness and newcomers have to be
mighty impressive to preempt "old faithful". So I remember
tinkering with Xtree and being impressed, but not enough to
discard my Q-DOS mastery to switch over...and I was pretty
self-sufficient at the commandline by that time also.

Only Xtree is reincarneted for 32 bit as Ztree. Is Q-dos still
around in any form?

...

archives in the file areas specifically, but even to this
day I still fire up Q-DOS from time to time when I need to study/prune/graft directory trees on the Netware 3.11
server from DOS, OS2, or XP without waiting for several
minutes for GUIs to build a map.<g>

I still use Xtree when I am doing some work from Dos, like
running Norton Ghost, or System commander.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... * <- Tribble. *<--> <- Tribble Hood, Prince of Thieves.
* Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a
* Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311)

Re: expand.exe
By: Kevin Klement to All on Sun Oct 11 2009 01:14 pm

Any tips how to expand.exe a "set" of file{s) in MS-DOS 6.22?

I believe I used to copy them all to c:\dos and then use:

expand *.*

or something like:

for %%i in (*.??_) do expand %%i

Then del *.??_

if you have any files that end in a _ and the extension
isn't 3 characters, expand them too

That sounds about right. And I wish I had remembered that. I
just did some of that expansion last night, but I used Ztree,
and made a batch file with it's batch file function. It worked,
but your way would have been a lot simpler.

It's been a long time since I did that sort of thing. Probably
going to have to get back into it.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... Any day you find yourself looking down at the grass is gonna be a good day.
* Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a
* Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311)

Hi John,

Friday October 23 2009 13:26, John Guillory wrote to Kevin Klement:

expand *.*

Ahhh.. expand.exe doesn't support wildcards, tried that already.

for %%i in (*.??_) do expand %%i

It still asks for the name of the expanded file (boohoo) I want it FULLY automated. I'm too lazy to type the file name in.

Then del *.??_

This should work to delete the compressed files, didn't try.


Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... Hi, my name is Victoria, and I've got a secret!
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hi bob,

Monday October 26 2009 14:30, bob klahn wrote to John Guillory:

That sounds about right. And I wish I had remembered that.

Nope.

Still gotta type in file names. :(

Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... Nature sides with the hidden flaw.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hi Mike,

Friday October 30 2009 07:33, Mike Tripp wrote to Kevin Klement:

Been there and done that, too...but couldn't suggest it
without a handy reference to verify if PACKING.LST was to be
found in 6.22. In the process of searching, I discovered my

It is there in the OEM version, as far as "BL" versions don't know. The file is exactly whats on Disk 1 2 and 3. Disk 3 is supplemental files, like 4Dos etc... the file packing.lst is was great to convert into a batch file.

Also, I don't recall if the install even transfers
PACKING.LST to the DOS dir... Did it?

Didn't use install.exe, just copied the files to the HDD.

Expected as much, but was starting to worry about you.<G>

<smile>

Interesting...I thought OEM-logo had reverted back to
Microsoft-logo only again by 6.22. It's really hard to

I'll have to go look at the COA I got with the OEM version. The OEM version says:

OEM Serial Number: FFH
User Serial Number: 000000H

And then something happened in the 80's that seems to have
affected my recall abilities for that specific decade...but
I can't remember what.<g&w>

We got old.


Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... No experiment is reproducible.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hi Mike,

Friday October 30 2009 07:33, Mike Tripp wrote to Kevin Klement:

to remake the 6.22 floppies to check (which is probably also
why I never bothered with 6.20->6.22 after a reinstall)...

This is what 6.22 has to offer:

Microsoft MS-DOS 6.22
=====================

Packing List for 1.44 MB floppy disks
-------------------------------------

This file lists the contents of each of the three Setup disks.

Many of the files on the three Setup disks are compressed. The left column lists the file name as it appears on the disk. The right column lists the
file name after it has been expanded. In some cases, the names are the same because some files are not compressed on the Setup disks. (For example this file, PACKING.LST, is not compressed).

Any file which is compressed needs to be expanded before it can be used.
All compressed files have a name in the left column which ends with the underscore ("_") character. To expand a file, you can use the EXPAND
utility. This utility is on Setup Disk #1 (in an uncompressed form so you
can use it), and is also copied by Setup to the MS-DOS directory on your
hard disk. (Note: To expand files before running Setup, you must first copy EXPAND.EXE from Setup Disk #1 to the DOS directory on your hard disk.)

For example, to expand the file MEM.EX_ from Setup Disk #1 in drive A,
to the DOS directory on drive C, follow these steps:

- Make sure Setup Disk #1 is in drive A
- Type the following command at the MS-DOS command prompt:
EXPAND A:\MEM.EX_ C:\DOS\MEM.EXE

The MS-DOS documentation has more information about using the EXPAND utility.

Setup Disk #1
-------------
ATTRIB.EXE ATTRIB.EXE
AUTOEXEC.BAT AUTOEXEC.BAT
CHKDSK.EXE CHKDSK.EXE
COMMAND.COM COMMAND.COM
CONFIG.SYS CONFIG.SYS
COUNTRY.SYS COUNTRY.SYS
COUNTRY.TX_ COUNTRY.TXT
DEBUG.EXE DEBUG.EXE
DEFRAG.EXE DEFRAG.EXE
DEFRAG.HL_ DEFRAG.HLP
DOSSETUP.INI DOSSETUP.INI
DRVSPACE.BIN DRVSPACE.BIN
EDIT.COM EDIT.COM
EGA.CP_ EGA.CPI
EGA2.CP_ EGA2.CPI
EGA3.CP_ EGA3.CPI
EMM386.EX_ EMM386.EXE
EXPAND.EXE EXPAND.EXE
FDISK.EXE FDISK.EXE
FORMAT.COM FORMAT.COM
IO.SYS IO.SYS
ISO.CP_ ISO.CPI
KEYB.COM KEYB.COM
KEYBOARD.SYS KEYBOARD.SYS
KEYBRD2.SY_ KEYBRD2.SYS
MEM.EX_ MEM.EXE
MSCDEX.EXE MSCDEX.EXE
MSDOS.SYS MSDOS.SYS
NETWORKS.TXT NETWORKS.TXT
NLSFUNC.EXE NLSFUNC.EXE
PACKING.LST PACKING.LST
QBASIC.EXE QBASIC.EXE
README.TXT README.TXT
REPLACE.EX_ REPLACE.EXE
RESTORE.EX_ RESTORE.EXE
SCANDISK.EXE SCANDISK.EXE
SCANDISK.INI SCANDISK.INI
SETUP.EXE SETUP.EXE
SETUP.MSG SETUP.MSG
SYS.COM SYS.COM
XCOPY.EX_ XCOPY.EXE

Setup Disk #2
-------------
ANSI.SY_ ANSI.SYS
APPEND.EX_ APPEND.EXE
CHKSTATE.SY_ CHKSTATE.SYS
CHOICE.COM CHOICE.COM
DBLWIN.HL_ DBLWIN.HLP
DELTREE.EX_ DELTREE.EXE
DISKCOMP.CO_ DISKCOMP.COM
DISKCOPY.CO_ DISKCOPY.COM
DISPLAY.SY_ DISPLAY.SYS
DOSHELP.HL_ DOSHELP.HLP
DOSKEY.CO_ DOSKEY.COM
DRIVER.SY_ DRIVER.SYS
DRVSPACE.EXE DRVSPACE.EXE
DRVSPACE.HL_ DRVSPACE.HLP
DRVSPACE.IN_ DRVSPACE.INF
DRVSPACE.SY_ DRVSPACE.SYS
DRVSPACE.TX_ DRVSPACE.TXT
EDIT.HL_ EDIT.HLP
FASTHELP.EX_ FASTHELP.EXE
FASTOPEN.EX_ FASTOPEN.EXE
FC.EX_ FC.EXE
FIND.EX_ FIND.EXE
GRAPHICS.CO_ GRAPHICS.COM
GRAPHICS.PR_ GRAPHICS.PRO
HELP.COM HELP.COM
HELP.HL_ HELP.HLP
HIMEM.SY_ HIMEM.SYS
INTERLNK.EX_ INTERLNK.EXE
INTERSVR.EX_ INTERSVR.EXE
LABEL.EX_ LABEL.EXE
LOADFIX.CO_ LOADFIX.COM
MEMMAKER.EXE MEMMAKER.EXE
MEMMAKER.HL_ MEMMAKER.HLP
MEMMAKER.IN_ MEMMAKER.INF
MODE.CO_ MODE.COM
MONOUMB.38_ MONOUMB.386
MORE.COM MORE.COM
MOVE.EX_ MOVE.EXE
MSBACKUP.EX_ MSBACKUP.EXE
MSBCONFG.HL_ MSBCONFG.HLP
MSBCONFG.OVL MSBCONFG.OVL
MSD.EXE MSD.EXE
MSTOOLS.DL_ MSTOOLS.DLL
MWBACKR.DL_ MWBACKR.DLL
POWER.EX_ POWER.EXE
PRINT.EX_ PRINT.EXE
QBASIC.HL_ QBASIC.HLP
RAMDRIVE.SY_ RAMDRIVE.SYS
SETVER.EX_ SETVER.EXE
SHARE.EX_ SHARE.EXE
SIZER.EX_ SIZER.EXE
SMARTDRV.EX_ SMARTDRV.EXE
SMARTMON.EX_ SMARTMON.EXE
SMARTMON.HL_ SMARTMON.HLP
SORT.EX_ SORT.EXE
SUBST.EX_ SUBST.EXE
TREE.CO_ TREE.COM
UNFORMAT.COM UNFORMAT.COM
VFINTD.38_ VFINTD.386
WINA20.38_ WINA20.386

Setup Disk #3
-------------
MSAV.EXE MSAV.EXE
MSAV.HL_ MSAV.HLP
MSAVHELP.OV_ MSAVHELP.OVL
MSAVIRUS.LS_ MSAVIRUS.LST
MSBACKDB.OVL MSBACKDB.OVL
MSBACKDR.OVL MSBACKDR.OVL
MSBACKFB.OVL MSBACKFB.OVL
MSBACKFR.OVL MSBACKFR.OVL
MSBACKUP.HL_ MSBACKUP.HLP
MSBACKUP.OVL MSBACKUP.OVL
MWAV.EX_ MWAV.EXE
MWAV.HL_ MWAV.HLP
MWAVABSI.DL_ MWAVABSI.DLL
MWAVDLG.DL_ MWAVDLG.DLL
MWAVDOSL.DL_ MWAVDOSL.DLL
MWAVDRVL.DL_ MWAVDRVL.DLL
MWAVMGR.DL_ MWAVMGR.DLL
MWAVSCAN.DL_ MWAVSCAN.DLL
MWAVSOS.DL_ MWAVSOS.DLL
MWAVTSR.EX_ MWAVTSR.EXE
MWBACKF.DL_ MWBACKF.DLL
MWBACKUP.EX_ MWBACKUP.EXE
MWBACKUP.HL_ MWBACKUP.HLP
MWGRAFIC.DL_ MWGRAFIC.DLL
MWUNDEL.EX_ MWUNDEL.EXE
MWUNDEL.HL_ MWUNDEL.HLP
UNDELETE.EXE UNDELETE.EXE
VSAFE.CO_ VSAFE.COM
WNTOOLS.GR_ WNTOOLS.GRB




Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hi Mike,

Tuesday November 10 2009 08:13, Mike Tripp wrote to Kevin Klement:

Good to know that you can still nab the floppies retail in a
pinch though. I would probably be in the same boat if I
needed to create a new HD after losing the current one.

If you do buy a OEM 6.22 version, you get the supplemental disk too.

disk4...


4201 CP_
4208 CP_
5202 CP_
720ID01 BAT
720ID02 BAT
8514 VI_
ADOS CFG
ADOS CO_
ADOS OV_
ADOS TX_
AM EXE
AREADME TX_
ASSIGN CO_
BACKUP EX_
CGA GR_
CGA IN_
CGA VI_
CHOICE COM
COMMANDS TX_
COMP EX_
CV COM
DOSSHELL CO_
DOSSHELL EX_
DOSSHELL HL_
DOSSWAP EX_
DRVBOOT BA_
DVORAK SY_
DVORAK TX_
EDLIN EXE
EGA GR_
EGA IN_
EGA SY_
EGA VI_
EGAMONO GR_
EXE2BIN EX_
EXPAND EXE
FAKEMOUS COM
GET_FUNC COM
GORILLA BA_
GRAFTABL CO_
HERC GR_
HERC VI_
ISO CP_
ISO TXT
JOIN EX_
KBDBUF SYS
LCD CP_
MIRROR CO_
MONEY BA_
MONO GR_
MONO IN_
MSHERC CO_
NET 1X_
NET TX_
NETBEUI DO_
NETWKSTA 1X_
NETWKSTA 2X_
NIBBLES BA_
PRINTER SY_
PRINTFIX COM
REDIR 1X_
REDIR 2X_
REMLINE BA_
SD6COPY BAT
SETNAME EX_
SETUP BAT
VGA GR_
VGA VI_
VGAMONO GR_


Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... We scheduled a meeting of the minds; his didn't show up.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hi mark,

Monday October 26 2009 19:16, mark lewis wrote to Kevin Klement:

hummm... what does this return, please?

for %%i in (*.??_) do echo %%i

It decompresses the file in question, but then you have to enter the new file name.

IE:

It decompresses "mem.ex_" but then you have to type in the new name "mem.exe"


Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... Adultary is the application of democracy to love.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hi John,

Friday October 23 2009 13:26, John Guillory wrote to Kevin Klement:

Then del *.??_

Worked.

Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... If nobody uses it, there's a reason.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Monday October 26 2009 14:30, bob klahn wrote to John
Guillory:

That sounds about right. And I wish I had remembered that.

Nope.

Still gotta type in file names. :(

Ok, I'll stick to Ztree.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... Support group for compulsive talkers: On&OnAnon....
* Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a
* Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311)

Hello bob!

01 Nov 09 18:14, bob klahn wrote to MIKE TRIPP:

Only Xtree is reincarneted for 32 bit as Ztree. Is Q-dos still
around in any form?

I think the early versions were shareware/trialware...and recall eating LD charges to call the Gazelle Systems BBS in Utah to get it. By the time DOS 5 came out, due to the FAT changes, you had to upgrade from Q-DOS 2 to Q-DOS 3 which was strictly retail, but with a guarantee that they'd take it back and buy you the file manager of your choice if you didn't like it.<g>

I googled around for a bit and found a few hits on abandonware sites that either had dead links or required registration...so no easy link to paste.

The author ended up losing Gazelle Systems as a condition of his divorce settlement, and his ex kept it running for a while without producing any new versions or products. He started PowerQuest a few years later and produced Partition Magic.

.\\ike

--- GoldED/2 2.50+
* Origin: -=( The TechnoDrome )=- Austin,TX 512-327-8598 33.6k (1:382/61)

Hello Kevin!

02 Nov 09 13:56, Kevin Klement wrote to Mike Tripp:

to remake the 6.22 floppies to check (which is probably also
why I never bothered with 6.20->6.22 after a reinstall)...

This is what 6.22 has to offer:

Microsoft MS-DOS 6.22
=====================

Packing List for 1.44 MB floppy disks -+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--

This file lists the contents of each of the three Setup disks.

Thanks for that... Now I remember why I stopped at 6.20 in my last recovery. Lots of extra utils taking up extra space that I rarely or refused to use, even
when it was my primary OS.<g>

Good to know that you can still nab the floppies retail in a pinch though. I would probably be in the same boat if I needed to create a new HD after losing the current one.

.\\ike

--- GoldED/2 2.50+
* Origin: -=( The TechnoDrome )=- Austin,TX 512-327-8598 33.6k (1:382/61)

Re: expand.exe
By: Mike Tripp to bob klahn on Tue Nov 10 2009 08:20 am

I googled around for a bit and found a few hits on abandonware sites that either had dead links or required registration...so no easy link to paste.

I've got QDOS 3 laying around here somewhere. I'll make a note to get it online for you and post a note here when I do. It's a lot better than XTree Gold for sure. :)

g.

--- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
* Origin: The Retro Archive (1:138/142)

Hello Kevin!

27 Oct 09 15:32, Kevin Klement wrote to mark lewis:

for %%i in (*.??_) do echo %%i

It decompresses the file in question, but then you have to enter the
new file name.

IE:

It decompresses "mem.ex_" but then you have to type in the new name "mem.exe"

You need a fancier command processor or batch util to split fully qualified names into their component parts for this exercise...and without a bootable version of the DOS available yet, it isnt' the best time to identify and learn them.<g>

When I crossed this bridge in the day, I redirected "DIR *.??_" to a text file and used QEdit to duplicate the filename list, insert "EXPAND" at the beginning, and modify the extension for the target filename to make a BAT. Older and wiser now, there are slicker and sleeker ways to generate a one-liner...but they'd still take longer to explain/nab utility/drop utility into a usable location than the low-tech manual hack.<g>

Hopefully this is an academic exercise, or are you still trying to get your installation working?

.\\ike

--- GoldED 2.50+
* Origin: -=( The TechnoDrome )=- Austin,TX 512-327-8598 33.6k (1:382/61)

Hi Mike,

Wednesday October 28 2009 07:48, Mike Tripp wrote to Kevin Klement:

You need a fancier command processor or batch util to split
fully qualified names into their component parts for this
exercise...and without a bootable version of the DOS

Yep..

When I crossed this bridge in the day, I redirected "DIR
*.??_" to a text file and used QEdit to duplicate the
filename list, insert "EXPAND" at the beginning, and modify
the extension for the target filename to make a BAT. Older

Thats exactly what I did, in my OEM version there is a file called "packing.lst" that has all the compressed uncompressed file names, I edited that with "expand.exe" and made a batch out of it, then a batch file with "del.exe" to kill the compressed files. Worked great!

Hopefully this is an academic exercise, or are you still
trying to get your installation working?

I expanded everything weeks ago :)

Bought a OEM version from ebay for $40.00 too, it was easyer just copying the files from the floppies to the MS-DOS box.

Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... Does a radioactive cat have 18 half-lives?
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hi mark,

Tuesday October 27 2009 22:06, mark lewis wrote to Kevin Klement:

ummm... i want to know what the above ECHO returns... so
maybe i can figure out a way to fill in the proper extension
to automate it...

Well let say you decompressing "mem.ex_" to "mem.exe"

It asks you, enter the name for "mem.ex_" so you have to enter of coarse "mem.exe"

Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... If a program is useful, it will have to be changed.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Hello Kevin!

27 Oct 09 15:32, Kevin Klement wrote to mark lewis:

for %%i in (*.??_) do echo %%i

It decompresses the file in question, but then you have to enter the
new file name.

IE:

It decompresses "mem.ex_" but then you have to type in the new name
"mem.exe"

You need a fancier command processor or batch util to split
fully qualified names into their component parts for this
exercise...and without a bootable version of the DOS
available yet, it isnt' the best time to identify and learn
them.<g>

When I crossed this bridge in the day, I redirected "DIR
*.??_" to a text file and used QEdit to duplicate the
filename list, insert "EXPAND" at the beginning, and modify
the extension for the target filename to make a BAT. Older
and wiser now, there are slicker and sleeker ways to
generate a one-liner...but they'd still take longer to
explain/nab utility/drop utility into a usable location
than the low-tech manual hack.<g>

Hopefully this is an academic exercise, or are you still
trying to get your installation working?

Do you remember Xtree? I use a 32 bit version called Ztree.
Ztree.com to find it.

Ztree has a batch builder function that can automate writing the
batch file to do the conversion.

If you like Dos you will like Ztree, and Xtree.




BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... What a long, strange trip it's been!
* Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a
* Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311)

Hi mark,

Wednesday October 28 2009 22:11, mark lewis wrote to Kevin Klement:

OH! i thought you were still needing/wanting to know how to
do it automated...

If someone already did automated it.

Then ... YES :)

Kevin
klement@gypsy-designs.com

... Elephant: A mouse built to government specifications.
--- Squish/386 v1.11
* Origin: Gypsy BBS -- Gypsy Designs CDN (403) 242-3221 (1:342/77)

Re: expand.exe
By: Kevin Klement to All on Sun Oct 11 2009 01:14 pm

Any tips how to expand.exe a "set" of file{s) in MS-DOS 6.22?

I believe I used to copy them all to c:\dos and then use:

expand *.*

or something like:

for %%i in (*.??_) do expand %%i

Then del *.??_

if you have any files that end in a _ and the extension isn't 3 characters, expand them too

--- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
* Origin: Vertrauen - vert.synchro.net (1:103/705)

Hello Kevin!

28 Oct 09 14:44, Kevin Klement wrote to Mike Tripp:

Thats exactly what I did, in my OEM version there is a file called "packing.lst" that has all the compressed uncompressed file names, I edited that with "expand.exe" and made a batch out of it, then a batch file with "del.exe" to kill the compressed files. Worked great!

Been there and done that, too...but couldn't suggest it without a handy reference to verify if PACKING.LST was to be found in 6.22. In the process of searching, I discovered my current running install is still 6.20, and that I would have to remake the 6.22 floppies to check (which is probably also why I never bothered with 6.20->6.22 after a reinstall)...

Also, I don't recall if the install even transfers PACKING.LST to the DOS dir... Did it?

Hopefully this is an academic exercise, or are you still
trying to get your installation working?

I expanded everything weeks ago :)

Expected as much, but was starting to worry about you.<G>

Bought a OEM version from ebay for $40.00 too, it was easyer just
copying the files from the floppies to the MS-DOS box.

Interesting...I thought OEM-logo had reverted back to Microsoft-logo only again
by 6.22. It's really hard to remember as it was an interesting time in MS history. At the transition point between DOS and Windows, they did a lot of things like they'd never done it before (or since). Being at Dell and tinkering with additional pre-release versions, I also was exposed to quite a few more versions that never saw the light-of-day in release.

And then something happened in the 80's that seems to have affected my recall abilities for that specific decade...but I can't remember what.<g&w>

.\\ike

--- GoldED 2.50+
* Origin: -=( The TechnoDrome )=- Austin,TX 512-327-8598 33.6k (1:382/61)

Hello bob!

28 Oct 09 20:33, bob klahn wrote to MIKE TRIPP:

Do you remember Xtree? I use a 32 bit version called Ztree.
Ztree.com to find it.

Ztree has a batch builder function that can automate writing the
batch file to do the conversion.

If you like Dos you will like Ztree, and Xtree.

I used Q-DOS as my shell "training wheels" to transition from the CP/M commandline to the DOS commandline (COPY had so many more switches than PIP...and then there was the option to XCOPY and more/different switches also<g>). Like your favorite text editor, the hotkey strokes eventually flow like stream of consciousness and newcomers have to be mighty impressive to preempt "old faithful". So I remember tinkering with Xtree and being impressed, but not enough to discard my Q-DOS mastery to switch over...and I was pretty self-sufficient at the commandline by that time also.

The major advantage, that I recall being interested in myself, was being able to navigate inside the various archiver formats. Q-DOS didn't do that, as it predated most of the archivers.<g> Eventually SHEZ made it down the filebone and filled that niche nicely for maintaining archives in the file areas specifically, but even to this day I still fire up Q-DOS from time to time when
I need to study/prune/graft directory trees on the Netware 3.11 server from DOS, OS2, or XP without waiting for several minutes for GUIs to build a map.<g>

.\\ike

--- GoldED 2.50+
* Origin: -=( The TechnoDrome )=- Austin,TX 512-327-8598 33.6k (1:382/61)